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Good Friday Meditation

This is from my book Everything Must Change:

The cross is an even more dramatic narrative reversal. . . . Rome uses crosses to expose and pronounce a death sentence on rebels; Jesus uses the cross to expose Roman violence and religious complicity with it, while pronouncing a sentence of forgiveness on his crucifiers. His cross doesn't represent a "shock and awe" display of power as Roman crucifixions were intended to do, but rather represents a "reverence and awe" display of God's willingness to accept rejection and mistreatment, and then respond with forgiveness, reconciliation, and resurrection. In this kingdom, peace is not made and kept through the shedding of the blood of enemies, but the king himself sacrifices his blood to make a new kind of peace, offering amnesty to repentant rebels and open borders to needy immigrants.

If, as Dominic Crossan says, the Roman motto is peace through victory, or peace through the destruction of enemies, or peace through domination . . . then for Jesus the motto is peace through nonviolent justice, peace through the forgiveness of enemies, peace through reconciliation, peace through embrace and grace. If in the violent narratives of Rome the victorious are blessed - which means that the most heavily armed, the most willing to kill, and the most aggressive and dominant are blessed - then in the framing story of the kingdom of God, blessed are the meek, blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice, blessed are the peacemakers, and blessed are those who are willing to suffer for doing good. In this light, these aren't simply greeting-card sentiments, but rather ways of starkly contrasting Jesus' framing story with the narratives and counternarratives of his day.

To be a follower of Jesus in this light is a far different affair than many of us were taught: it means to join Jesus' peace insurgency, to see through every regime that promises peace through violence, peace through domination, peace through genocide, peace through exclusion and intimidation. Following Jesus instead means forming communities that seek peace through justice, generosity, and mutual concern, and a willingness to suffer persecution but a refusal to inflict it on others. To follow Jesus is to become an atheist in regard to all bloodthirsty, tribal warrior gods, and to become a believer in the living God of grace and peace who, in Christ, sheds God's own blood in a manifestation of amnesty and reconciliation.

- Brian McLaren in Everything Must Change


A reader writes: Righteous? Just?

A reader writes ...

I heard you speak this morning in Fort Wayne and I just want to thank you. You hear this a lot, I am sure, but reading you fills a void in my soul because I know that I am not alone. Thank you so much.

… This morning you asked the question, with the hope that someone would research it as to how the word Diakaios got mistranslated as righteous in English translation so much, especially in the book of Romans. (nice run on sentence, eh?)

So here is my question: Do you think that maybe King James himself instructed the scholars to do this in order to justify imperialism? If we are "the righteous," instead of "the just," then what we do to other cultures is okay because now they are always "the other" and less favored by God.

The second question goes to our frustration as pastors trying to preach reconciliation instead of dominion. I wonder if this imperialistic translation has been used to justify "the doctrine of the empire" instead of proclaiming "the good news of the Kingdom." Most of what seems to divide us in US Churches is the assumed patriotism that Christianity implies -a narrative falsely disseminated by too many Christian media sources. But we are in a culture where power is shifting at an alarming rate, and churches that "prosper" are those who capitalize on the fear of that loss of power. How do we proclaim good news to those who are feeling weaker and weaker when the political rhetoric is stacked against us?

I wrote an unworthy piece about diakios on my own blog: http://revnerd.blogspot.com/2011/06/dikaios-right-word-translated-wrong-way.html and thanks to you, I updated the use of the word righteous in Romans specifically with the term "restorative justice." It just makes more sense.

Thanks for the note. About your question regarding King James - He couldn't be to blame because his project was building on previous translations … Wycliffe's and especially the Geneva Bible, among others. There's a tremendous book that details the politics behind the King James Bible - Adam Nicolson's God's Secretaries. I highly recommend it.

But as to your main point … I agree: "interpretation by translation" of justice/righteousness - and also atonement/reconciliation, by the way - have huge impacts on our understanding. It's amazing how much changes when we question just those two interpretive choices made by translators of many English versions. Thanks for your courage in speaking up. If more and more of us have the courage to differ graciously, other minds and hearts will begin to change, just as yours and mine have begun to do. As you said in your blog, the Bible makes so much more sense in that new light.


Maundy Thursday: Memo from Simon Peter

You shall not wash my feet, I said.
My reaction was visceral, reflexive, furious.
I couldn't then say why I was so offended
By his self-humiliation.
But now I see.
If he, Rabbi and Leader, would abandon
All protocols of propriety,
What would it mean for us, for me?
I had my heart set upon a throne,
Right next to his,
Preferably to his right,
With Zebedee's sons, my rivals,
Put in their places on his left.
I was ambitious. I am even now.
What does it do to my ambition
To make the top the bottom,
The leader the servant,
And the last the first?
Where could this lead?
Will women dare to aspire
To be seen as our equals?
Will the outsiders stand on level ground
With the pure, the righteous, the orthodox?
Will circumcision, sacrifice, priesthood, temple
Count for nothing?
Doesn't he know?
The cosmos is hierarchical.
There are kings at the top and slaves at the bottom,
Fathers and sons, men and women, teachers and students,
Older and younger ...
No sane man would unsettle that order.
It is divinely ordained.

So, yes, I was offended.
When he pressed me,
Said my feet must be washed
Or I had no part with him. So
I wrestled again to be first,
Seizing on this:
I will be first in being served!
And so I demanded to be washed
More than the others, head to toe.
But no. He saw through my game, and
Would not comply.
As he washed my feet and allowed me no special place,
I burned within.

Later, the burning flared: I will never abandon you! I said.
All the others might falter, but not I!
He told me the cock would mock my boast.
I hated him. I resented him. I thought he hated me.
Yet I loved him.
Serve one another as I have served you, he said.
Love one another as I have loved you, he said.
If his wild ways succeed,
All this world's order will be undone
And some new order will come.
I see why Judas has been so concerned.


We Make the Road by Walking: A Trail Guide

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Please help spread the word. The book releases June 10. I'm told it will help if a lot of you purchase it that week. Thanks for your support! More information here.


Q & R: Bereft and searching ...

Here's the Q:

My husband and I have read several of your books, including Secret Message of Jesus, Generous Orthodoxy, and Everything Must Change. I left the church over a decade ago for many of the same issues you so eloquently describe, and since a vibrant spirituality was always the most defining characteristic of my life, I have been bereft ever since. Now, after reading your books, I am experiencing a welcome spiritual awakening. I would love to have a community in which to grow and learn. Do you know how I can find people or churches in the Knoxville TN area who are practicing Christianity as you describe it?

Thank you for your brave and insightful books! I have been deeply enriched by them, and inspired to rekindle my languishing faith. I am finally beginning to feel like a whole human again. God Bless You!

Here's the R:
Thanks for the encouraging words. Some friends of mine are working hard on the problem of helping people find churches … I don't have any news to report yet, but I hope some will be forthcoming soon.

In the meantime, I hope you'll consider forming what I call a learning circle … getting a few people together for a meal every week to start doing for one another what we wish someone would do for us: create space for vibrant spirituality, community, and action. My upcoming book is really a handbook for such spontaneous, self-organizing communities. It will be available soon (June 10). I'm so glad you haven't given up on rekindling your faith!


Q & R: Faith? Relative Certainty?

Here's the Q:

I apologize in advance for the length of this message, but I feel a need to explain myself thoroughly. I consider myself to be an agnostic atheist -- that is, I don't believe in God, but I can't say that with absolute certainty. So by your definition, I have made some sort of leap of faith toward atheism.

I've been reading Finding Faith: A Search for What Makes Sense at the insistence of my mother, who raised me in the evangelical Protestantism that I abandoned in college. I like to keep an open mind, and I will say that I have been pleasantly surprised by your book. You are certainly no Josh McDowell or Lee Strobel, and I mean that as the highest possible compliment because, well, Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel are [not my cup of tea].

I got to your section on Uncertainty Principles -- including a quote from Albert Einstein -- and I wanted to ask you about this excerpt on pp. 61-62 in my paperback:

Ironically, an unreflective person person is 100 percent certain of a lot more than a highly reflective one, because a highly reflective person eventually recognizes a number of "uncertainty principles," including these: 1. That the "laws of logic" -- the software that thought runs on -- must be accepted on faith, being unprovable (since you have to assume them in order to prove them, which tends to not prove anything!): Thus all thought is ultimately based on a kind of faith!

I don't think I can take that step with you. Let me give you an example: it has been said that our nearly universal acceptance of 2 + 2 = 4 is an act of faith. But is it really?

Every single character in that equation is a linguistic symbol that we have agreed upon as a culture (as with any language) to represent a very tangible, demonstrable thing. A Mandarin speaker could just as easily write a line with the same meaning that looked completely different. But the principles of that are not faith -- they are what you might describe as a "mundane fact," as almost any primary school teacher will tell you when they teach lessons on counting and basic arithmetic. If I put (what I call) "two" oranges on the table, I can count that there are two. If I then count two more and add (the + sign) them to the existing two, I can count them all, and I will arrive at four..at least if I'm speaking English properly. It takes no faith whatsoever to accept that, only a tacit willingness to agree to speak the same language that everyone else is speaking so that you can communicate with one another. Once we do that (again, as an agreement on language, not as faith), then we can build more complex thoughts on this understanding, demonstrating our logic each step of the way like a proof table in geometry class.

So the great thing about real science is that it's repeatable and testable and, when it discovers new information that might contradict the old understanding, it is flexible enough to adjust and refine. Science is self-correcting, but faith is not...as we saw in this week's debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham.

Of course, you're quite right that we all deal in "practical certainty," but to describe that as faith is misleading. I recently bought a new car, and I'm the type of consumer who researches purchases extensively before making them. I chose my particular make and model of car because it had a strong reputation for reliability based on very large samples of data collected by Consumer Reports, which is a magazine that earns no profits and accepts no advertisements that might bias their findings. It's not a perfect guide, and it's not the only one I used, but it seems to be the most trustworthy.

Was that a guarantee that my car would be reliable? No, I made a bet based on probabilities, and it's certainly possible that I could lose that bet and get a lemon. My feelings toward this manufacturer are not matters of faith, they are matters of statistical confidence -- and I certainly don't see them as infallible. If their quality and reliability scores were to decline in future years, I would decide to switch to another manufacturer for my next car...I have switched brands before.

So relative certainty is not the same thing as faith -- it's an acknowledgement that we are making a "best guess," and hopefully we are making informed decisions. That's how I feel about these bigger questions too -- like whether God exists and, if so, what God is like. Do I trust the words of ancient people who also wrote about talking serpents and donkeys and people being swallowed by fish and living to tell about it? People whose accounts of our origins are so demonstrably incorrect, as Bill Nye demonstrated this week? People who wrote that God ordered King Saul to slaughter the Amalekite women, children, infants and animals?

The problem with faith in that sense is that it's subjective -- it cannot be disproven. Anyone can say anything on faith...who is to argue that it doesn't make sense? According to the Bible, we're supposed to live by faith and NOT by sight, or we're supposed to have faith like children or sheep. But if my sight tells me something different, should I ignore or discredit that as Ken Ham does?

So, I strive to live a life without faith...where I act only on the best information that I have, where I'm willing to admit that I am only acting on a level of practical certainty, and that I'm willing to adjust to new information...wherever it leads me.

What do you think?

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. Actually, Finding Faith is one of my earlier books that I still very much like but that, given the chance, I would make several changes in. I see your point about the difference between disprovable and assertions and unprovable ones. That's a good distinction and I would need to deal with it if I had the chance to rewrite that section of Finding Faith. (Which I may have the chance to do, and so thanks for the help!)

I was especially intrigued by your statement:

Science is self-correcting, but faith is not...

As Thomas Kuhn pointed out, there are points of resistance to self-correction in the scientific community … and as I would hope my work would point out (along with the work of many others), there are ways of approaching faith that are deeply committed to self-correction. The title of my upcoming book is actually a way of saying that faith must be a self-correcting journey.

In that way, I would hope I could say (almost quoting you):

So, I strive to live a life of good and honest faith...where I act only on the best information that I have, where I'm willing to admit that I am only acting on a level of practical certainty, and that I'm willing to adjust to new information...wherever it leads me.

I've found it impossible to reduce my curiosity to the kind of mundane 2 + 2 = 4 information that is self-evident, undoubtable, and virtually certain. That kind of information tends to be the kind that helps us survive and function physically, but doesn't help so much with the deeper questions of meaning, purpose, and value. You might say that people can't (over the long run?) live on the bread of disprovable data alone …

Having said that, though, with all the religious claims out there - from those of 6-day creationists to climate deniers to would-be terrorists awaiting virgins in heaven to some of the folks who regularly tell me I'm going to burn in hell for disagreeing with their understanding of God - I am highly sympathetic to your desire to be skeptical and careful. That's why, in the book, I spent a lot of time trying to distinguish between what I called "bad faith" and "good faith."


Q & R: a DMin?

Here's the Q:

I am a small town pastor and very happy with my vocation in most ways. I am a part of an increasingly conservative, increasingly fundamentalist denomination and have been very moved by A Generous Orthodoxy and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road.
As a parish pastor it is difficult to find time to dig deeper into the issues that come with attempting to unwrap, understand, and repent for my Imperialist, Roman Protestant history and how to winsomely communicate what comes out of that understanding. In order to force myself into that reflection, I am considering beginning work on a DMin that would focus on these issues. Because of your leadership in this area, I was hoping that you might have some suggestions re: schools and professors that might be a the forefront of this kind of effort.

Here's the R:
First, I think you're very wise to find some space to do some rethinking. It's never too late! A DMin could provide that space in a constructive way. I am a board member at Claremont School of Theology, and I am deeply impressed with their faculty. There are many other excellent seminaries that could help you in your studies as well.

If you research "postcolonial theology," you'll find many of the scholars who are grappling with these issues. Their names include ...

Ruth Padilla DeBorst, William Hertzog, Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, Marc Ellis, Mark Braverman, Naim Ateek, the Latin American and African Liberation theologians, Warren Carter, Namsoon Kang, Gary Burge, Joerg Rieger, John Howard Yoder, the Girardian/mimetic theologians, women theologians who are consistently neglected in an imperial age, and many others.

Whatever the context in which you decide to study, I can tell you from personal experience that a reading list like this will revolutionize your theology, spirituality, and missiology. (It may also mean you have to look for a new job, but that's another story and another Q & R, I'm sure!)


Q & R: Satan?

Here's the Q:

… when you have a moment, would you bless me with some insight on the following passages in John where Jesus using the term "You are of your father, the devil" I believe he calls them children of satan. That's something I struggle with. I am not sure I believe in Satan or The Devil in the traditional sense. I think I agree more with the Jewish version of the satan and have a hard time understanding it as an opposing force outside of God or against God in the form of a demigod. So those passages in John really mess with me. Would love to gain some insight.

Here's the R:
Great question. I've addressed this question in various ways in Secret Message of Jesus, Everything Must Change, A New Kind of Christianity, and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? It will also be addressed in my upcoming book, We Make the Road by Walking, which will be released on June 10.

Here's a brief excerpt from Chapter 48:

Jesus told his followers to “count the cost.” He promised that those who walk his road would experience push-back, even persecution. And he often described that push-back as demonic or Satanic in nature. Some people today believe Satan and demons to be literal, objective realities. Others believe they are outmoded superstitions. Still others interpret Satan and demons as powerful and insightful images by which our ancestors sought to describe shadowy realities that are still at work today. In today’s terminology, we might call them social, political, structural, ideological, and psychological forces. These forces that take control of individuals, groups, and even whole civilizations, driving them toward destruction.

… Now, imagine a … spirit of racism, revenge, religious supremacy, nationalism, political partisanship, greed, or fear getting a foothold in a community. You can imagine previously decent people being possessed, controlled, and driven by these forces, mind-sets, or ideologies. Soon, individuals aren’t thinking or feeling for themselves anymore. They gradually allow the spirit of the group to possess them. If nobody can break out of this frenzy, it’s easy to imagine tragic outcomes: vandalism, riots, beatings, lynchings, gang rapes, house demolitions, plundered land, exploited or enslaved workers, terrorism, dictatorship, genocide. Bullets can fly, bombs explode, and death tolls soar—among people who seemed so decent, normal, and peace loving just minutes or months before.

You don’t need to believe in literal demons and devils to agree with Jesus and the apostles: there are real and mysterious forces in our world that must be confronted. But how?

I hope that gives you some room to think about what Satan might represent - in the pages of the Bible, and in the world of today.


Q & R: Penal Substitution and Jesus' death

Here's the Q:

I've just finished reading A New Kind of Christianity http://brianmclaren.net/archives/books/brians-books/a-new-kind-of-christianity-1.htmlfor the third time. Thank you for your 'world view' changing books. I have found your books inspirational and faith saving. Changing a mind set is so slippery, hence the third time reading.

I get the Bible as narrative set in a Jewish historical context, I get a story of creation, liberation and the peaceable kingdom and find the new/old narrative exciting. In this narrative I get 'the kingdom of God is at hand, now', as a hope and way of life (praxis more difficult and challenging though). What I'm struggling to get my head round is to do with penal substitution. If this is part of the Greco Roman Theos narrative, why did Jesus have to die as he did? He lived a life which gave us a new model and a further revelation of God. His death is hugely important, as in the central role of The Eucharist but in the new narrative I can't see that it was essential, other than as a further model of willing suffering.

Do you have any insights or are the answers embedded somewhere in your literature?

This is my first ever attempt to network electronically in this way. I hope it's an appropriate question.

Thanks again for creating safe spaces for such questions.

Here's the R:
That's a great question. Thanks for asking it. If you put "penal substitution" in the search box in the upper right hand section of my website, you'll find a lot of places where I've addressed it here. In my book Why Did Jesus, Moses, etc? you'll find a more thorough treatment of the subject … especially in the chapter on eucharist.

But in my next book, We Make the Road by Walking, I have the chance to most fully explore Jesus' death and its meaning in the context of the whole biblical story. It will be available on June 10. You can learn more here.


Palm Sunday, Torture, and Peace

Palm Sunday could be, and I believe should be, one of our most important holidays. It is the day Jesus led a peace march into Jerusalem - a public demonstration - that included a joyful celebration of peaceful protest and a public lamentation that his nation didn't know "what makes for peace." (I explore this theme further in my upcoming book.)

What would happen if wherever Christians live, every year we made Palm Sunday the day for joyful public celebration of creative, nonviolent action and public lamentation for local, national, and global conflicts?

If we were leading such a day for celebration and lamentation today, we would pray for Syria where a dictator perpetuates atrocities, for Egypt where a peaceful protest movement was co-opted by a military coup, for Central African Republic where inter-tribal and inter-religious violence has reared its ugly ahead - echoing what happened in Rwanda twenty years ago. We would pray for peace in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Iran. We would pray that Israelis and Palestinians could live in peace with justice as neighbors - and that the occupation, colonization, and violence there would end.

Closer to home, we would lament and pray about violence in our cities and about the persistent presence of racism that expresses itself in so many subtle and not-so-subtle ways - including voter suppression, mass incarceration, and the ongoing "slow motion lynching" of our first African-American president. We would lament the unchecked and often unacknowledged power of the military-industrial complex. We would dream of ways to better employ human talent and material resources than in the proliferation and use of non-productive assets like weapons.

And most assuredly we would lament the use of torture by our own government.

In that regard, if you haven't paid attention to the unfolding story about how our nation secretly used torture, and now struggles to admit and be transparent about what it did in secret … You could read this short article for an overview:

On April 3, the Senate Intelligence Committee voted to release sections of an investigative report on the CIA, its use of torture, and its deceptive manipulation of Congress to gain approval for its actions.

The Intelligence Committee's vote is significant because by refusing to suppress this information, we can begin to acknowledge and heal this moral scar on our national conscience.

I am a Christian, and I believe all people share the image of God … including the enemies of the nation in which I am a citizen. My faith requires me to treat all people - even enemies, even prisoners, even those who bear labels like "terrorist" (or heretic!) - with the dignity and inalienable rights bestowed upon them by their Creator. Because I would not want others to torture me, and am prohibited from torturing others - or approving of the use of torture. I believe that torture is wrong and immoral.

Thankfully, President Obama banned torture on his second day in office, but unless this report is fairly and fully made public, we decrease the chances that a needed public debate on our use of torture will occur, and we increase the chances that torture will be used again by our nation, in our name, in the future.

On Palm Sunday, Jesus wept for a city that did not know what makes for peace. Five days later, he became a victim of unjust arrest, torture, and finally execution in that city. May we who love and follow him join him today - joyfully celebrating "what makes for peace" and deeply lamenting all that undermines true, lasting, and just peace … for all.


Q & R: The Christian But syndrome

Here's the Q:

I am a Christian…but I have a hard time stomaching the doctrine of babies born sinful. I believe that we are all born with the inclination to be sinful and that we will all one day give into that nature. But babies and young children seem sinless to me…like they are a metaphorical garden of Eden.
Having read four of your books, I have come to respect your scriptural interpretations. What are your thoughts on original sin?

Here's the R:
There are several dimensions of the various versions of Christianity we inherited that often become problematic as we grow older and see their impacts in real life. The doctrine of original sin as taught by Augustine and preserved in Luther, Calvin, and most of Western Christianity is essential to a doctrinal system I call "the six-lined narrative" or the "soul-sort narrative." I write about this at some length in A New Kind of Christianity and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?, both of which I think you'll find helpful.

The doctrine has good intentions and has a lot of truth to it, but more and more adults start to see problems with it - in their personal psychology, in making sense of the biblical text, and in its historical and social impacts. As a result, they find themselves identifying just as you did … I am a Christian … but. (A friend of mine says there are more and more Christians with big buts.)

I don't recommend keeping the old narrative and simply dropping or modifying the doctrine of original sin. Rather, I recommend we look at the larger narrative question … and try to conceive of the Christian faith in wider and deeper (and, I believe, more true-to-Scripture) narrative terms.

Your question also opens up the question of what sin is … and what it would mean to be born with an inclination to be sinful. All these questions must be asked and I think they will, in the long run, lead us to a greater appreciation of the Bible, the gospel, and Jesus.

By the way, my upcoming book, We Make the Road by Walking, offers an overview of the whole Bible and an orientation to a fresh vision of Christian faith … apart from the old categories that cause many of us to have "big buts." It will be available on June 10. I especially think you'll find the reading of Genesis presented there to be helpful - and to replace your "but" with a "wow!"


Contraception, Hobby Lobby, and Abortion

Baptist Christian ethicist David Gushee recently wrote a helpful summary and analysis of the Hobby Lobby case that is before the Supreme Court, with a decision anticipated in June. He summarized his conclusion:

This case is the perfect storm: it brings into one case passions many Americans feel about President Obama, health care reform, sexuality, government, women, abortion, science, culture, freedom, and religion, especially Christianity. Now all the Supreme Court has to do is sort it out. This will be no simple chore. But on balance I would vote No on Hobby Lobby.

He also raised some important questions, including:

Wouldn’t a win for Hobby Lobby really mean that we would be ensuring that the religious convictions of the one (business owner/family) would then trump the needs (and convictions) of the many (everyone who works for that business)? Do we want to give business owners that kind of power? Cuius corporatio, eius religio?

What happens when, say, a Christian Scientist company owner decides not to cover any health benefits, or a Jehovah’s Witness company owner decides not to cover blood transfusions, or an anti-vaccination owner decides not to cover the MMR shots, or perhaps a trust-Jesus radical decides not to contribute to employee Social Security or a 401(k)? Do we really want to open up that Pandora’s Box?

But it was this question that has especially had me thinking:

Are critics taking seriously the public health benefits of no-cost contraception coverage, and the moral benefits of the likely dramatic reduction in the number of unplanned pregnancies and abortions? Or does their principled objection to contraception and/or (perceived) abortifacients totally trump data related to the actual impact of no-cost access to contraception?

In the 2008 presidential campaign, I was an outspoken advocate for Barack Obama, and one of the most frequent objections I heard - usually coming from my conservative Roman Catholic and Evangelical friends - ran along these lines: How can you vote for a pro-choice candidate?

My reply ran along these lines: Republicans want to overturn Roe v. Wade, something that is unlikely to happen. But even if it did …

even if McCain were to win the election and appoint Supreme Court justices who would in fact overturn Roe vs. Wade, this move will not outlaw abortion, contrary to what many believe. It will only return the decision to the states, which raises this question: how many states lean toward criminalization?

The Guttmacher Institute recently released new 2014 stats on this question, and so here's the current answer:
4 states have laws that automatically ban abortion if Roe were to be overturned.
11 states retain their unenforced, pre-Roe abortion bans
8 states have laws that express their intent to restrict the right to legal abortion to the maximum extent permitted by the U.S. Supreme Court in the absence of Roe. [Guttmacher Institute, Abortion Policy in the Absence of Roe, 2/1/14]

Here are those 19 states (some meet more than one of the criteria above) with their recent average number of abortions per year:

Alabama: 9550; Arizona: 16100; Arkansas: 4370; Delaware: 5090; Illinois: 44580; Kansas: 6940; Kentucky: 3970; Louisiana: 12210; Massachusetts: 24030; Michigan: 29190; Mississippi: 2220; Missouri: 5820; New Mexico: 5180; North Dakota: 1250; Ohio: 28590; Oklahoma: 5860; South Dakota: 600; West Virginia: 2390; Wisconsin: 7640 … Total: 215,580 = 20% of 1.06 million total abortions
[Guttmacher Institute, Volume 46, Number 1, March 2014, TABLE 2. Number of reported abortions and abortion rate, selected years; and percentage change in rate, 2008–2011—all by region and state in which the abortions occurred]

In other words, if the Republican Party succeeded in overturning Roe v. Wade, abortions would be reduced by up to 20% - if, that is, criminalization worked. That's significant.

But it's far less than the anticipated 75% reduction that would come by making contraception available as part of health care policies, as provided by the ACA, according to a recent study.

The ethics behind the Hobby Lobby case are, indeed, complex, as are the politics. But it's hard to question two facts:

1. Providing contraception (along with other basic health care) reduces abortion very significantly.
2. It would reduce abortion more significantly than criminalizing abortion by overturning Roe v. Wade.

To put the point more strongly: by opposing the inclusion of contraception in health care, conservatives who support the Hobby Lobby case and oppose the ACA are actually choosing to increase the number of abortions.

If they reply that they oppose free contraception on other grounds, such as that it encourages promiscuity, a recent study found that is not the case.

Are conservative Evangelicals and Catholics thinking about these realities when they oppose the ACA? Are they unaware of this line of reasoning? Are they making a tough ethical choice - choosing the lesser of two evils in their minds - so as to allow more abortions as a necessary cost of achieving other goals they care about even more? What are those goals, and why are they so important?


We Make the Road by Walking: 4

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Please help spread the word. The book releases June 10. Thanks for your support! More information here.


Guest Q & R with Michael Hardin: "The wrath of God stuff bothers me …"

I'm pleased that my friend Michael Hardin agreed to offer a guest response to this question. You can learn more about Michael here. Don't miss his books and podcasts either. Michael has so much to offer ...
Here's the Q:

“Personally , I've gotten so much from your writings over these last several years since I was introduced to your work. Last week I was especially struck by this :"Privilege should not lead us to guilt . Privilege should lead to service and compassion;to strive for restorative justice ; contemplation and action which leads to great fun and joy." … Maybe you can help me with two questions.
1. Just this Sunday the epistle reading was Romans 5:1-11 . Verse 8 and 9 : 
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
8 But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. 9 Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood,will we be saved through him from the wrath of God.[a]

The Wrath of God stuff bothers me .I reviewed Chap 22 in your New Kind of Christianity, and I had written in the margins R. Rohr's thoughts on the the Jesus hermeneutic:
"that Jesus consistently ignored or even denied exclusionary, punitive, and triumphalist or imperialistic texts... in favor of passages that emphasized inclusion, mercy , compassion and honesty ." So should we ignore Paul here in this instance ?

2. Also, in Ephesians 5:2, Paul seems to speak of Jesus as a sacrifice to God. That doesn't make sense if God's wrath doesn't need to be appeased by sacrifice. Can you explain?”

Here's MIchael's R:

These are excellent questions. Inasmuch as Protestant Christianity specifically (and Western Christianity generally) are oriented to what I call a ‘sacrificial paradigm’ it is important to unpack some assumptions.

First, note that in Romans 5:9, the words “of God” are not in the Greek text, they are supplied by the translators. This raises the question as to what Paul is referring to when he speaks of the ‘wrath’ (orge). It is possible that ‘wrath’ could refer to a distant future punishment in hell, but would that be consonant with Paul’s theology throughout this letter (and his other authentic letters)?

With regard to the Romans text here are the particular places Paul uses the term ‘orge’ (wrath): 1:18, 2:5, 8, 3:5, 4:15, 5:9, 9:22, 12:19, 13:4, 5. Note that other than 1:18, no other text in Romans has the phrase “wrath of God” only “the wrath.” How shall we then understand this word “wrath?”

Second, in order to understand Romans 1:18-32 (and thus the phrase “wrath of God”) we have three options:

1. The phrase has traditionally been understood to refer to God’s eschatological wrath where unbelievers are consigned to eternal conscious torment. The phrase need not necessarily imply some sort of emotional disturbance in God as Calvin noted in his Commentary on Romans (1:18): “The word wrath, referring to God in human terms as is usual in Scripture, means the vengeance of God, for when God punishes, He has, according to our way of thinking, the appearance of anger. The word, therefore, implies no emotion in God, but has reference only to the feelings of the sinner who is punished.”

2. The phrase is to be interpreted contextually in light of the three-fold use of the word ‘gave over’ (paradidomi). This way of understanding ‘wrath’ suggests that God takes a hands off approach to sin and turns sinful human beings over to the consequences of sin.

Both of these alternatives interpret ‘wrath’ as a divine behavior, whether active or passive. There is however a third alternative which depends upon reading the Epistle to the Romans from a literary perspective and has been advanced by Douglas Campbell in his book The Deliverance of God (Eerdmans, 2010). Campbell argues that Romans, much like Galatians and 2 Cor. 10-13 (Paul’s ‘tearful letter’) is directed against a specific false teacher and that it is the false teacher’s perspective which is being quoted in 1:18-32, a perspective which Paul will repudiate in chapters 2-4. In this case the phrase ‘wrath of God’ is the false teacher’s perspective. It is well known that Romans 1:18-32 reflects the kind of Jewish anti-Gentile rhetoric one finds e.g., in The Wisdom of Solomon 12-14.

Paul’s use of the rhetorical strategy of prosopopoia whereby an opponent’s view is cited and then debated, according to Campbell (and Ben Witherington III as well) would have been understood by the hearers of this epistle inasmuch as Paul always sent readers of his letters and they would know where and when to change the ‘tone of voice’ when reading the letter aloud. This third view then understands the phrase ‘wrath of God’ to be antithetical to the gospel, but part of the false teacher’s position. Following on this, all the subsequent uses of the word wrath could, if part of the rhetorical strategy, be understood as the calamity of social breakdown. The eschatological character of the ‘wrath’ seen in societal collapse prior to the advent of ‘The Day of the Lord’ became in time itself God’s eschatological wrath. Campbell’s reading of Romans is one way to ameliorate this type of reading.

With regard to Romans 5:8-9 then one might understand Paul to be saying, “Look. Even when we were at our worst, even when we had conceived of God as our enemy, Jesus came to show us that God was not our enemy but our friend (“Christ died for us”). How much more then if we have been deemed in right relationship with God even though we killed Jesus (“through his blood”), will God deliver us from the coming social breakdown when human culture returns to chaos.” In other words no matter how evil we become as humans, God will heal humanity (sozo, often translated “to save” also has the connotation of “healing”).

Regarding Ephesians 5:2, it is true that the author of Ephesians uses the word sacrifice (thusia). It is also the case that he uses two quite different terms, prosphora and thusia. The first is often translated ‘offering’, the second ‘sacrifice.’ Two essential point need to be made here: first is the use of the verbs “to love” (agapao) and “to give” (paradidomi). Jesus’ giving is a self-offering, not the offering of another. Sacrifice, understood as the act of the taking of the life of another, is contrasted by self-offering (or self-sacrifice). It is one of the merits of the New Testament that this shift occurs. One can see this especially in Hebrews. In my book The Jesus Driven Life I noted that

“Language related to the cultus, namely, thusia and its cognates, is avoided in the New Testament; rather, language related to phero and its cognates occurs. The New Testament uses the more cultic terminology only once at 1 Corinthians 5:7. Oscar Cullmann has argued that even here sacrificial terminology is clearly related to the active self-giving of the “servant of Yahweh.” The reason for this is that thusia belongs to the process of propitiation, the God-directed activity of the creature; whereas phero and its cognates, especially anaphero and prosphero have more of the sense of bringing a gift. But this gift giving is not a Do ut des (giving to get in return). To offer a gift, as the author of Hebrews later argues, is to offer it as an extension of one’s very self.”

One can see this logic at work also in Romans 12:1-2 where the “living sacrifice” is oneself. Offering one’s self to God has nothing to do with propitiating a deity, but a ‘giving over’ (a subversion of the word paradidomi) of one’s own self to be used by God in fostering reconciliation between persons. This self-offering emphasis in the New Testament thus has less to do with religion and more to do with ethics than has hitherto been noticed.

Both of these ‘shifts’ are part of the new realization that the gospel is not about appeasing an angry deity and that the violence or retribution in the death of Jesus in not God’s but humanity’s. This new approach to atonement has created both a crisis and a horizon for moving beyond views of God which portray God as a vampiric deity with an anger management problem to understanding the person, message and work of Jesus to be that of revealing our tendency to make God in our own image and to show us that God is only love, light and shalom.
Thanks, Michael, for this helpful response. Your phrase "vampiric deity with an anger management problem" evokes Dallas Willard's statement about a "vampire Christianity that wants Jesus for his blood and little else." Speaking of Dallas, I once asked him to preach at the church I pastored. I asked him to speak simply about God, and he chose as his text 1 John 1:9: "God is light and in God there is no darkness at all."


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Noah: the movie, the story, and the God(s) behind the story

A brilliant piece from Paul Nuechterlein, here:

And it's growing more urgent that we do so, because we now possess the technology to destroy ourselves with our own violence. Actually, that's precisely why flood stories are so universal in human culture. Since our beginnings as a species, we've feared wiping ourselves out through our own contagious violence. A common image for this fear has been an all-engulfing flood. The Genesis story names this flat-out: "The earth was filled with violence." Just like the flood by which God supposedly uses in trying to stop it! But god using a flood belies that age-old human answer of trying to stop violence with violence.

Without going into all the details of the anthropology here, let's at least name God's startling alternative to our human answer of stopping violence by inflicting a counter-violence. God suffers our violence on the cross, shows it to be impotent compared to God's life-giving power of love on Easter, and enacts the healing power of forgiveness in the giving of the Spirit. The cross and resurrection is God saving us from the flood of our human violence that threatens to destroy us.


Listen to this. Really! Now!

A reader writes:

I met you a couple times at Claremont school of theology events which was a blessing by the way. You have been like a mentor to me through your work. I was first introduced to your work my first year of undergrad in my theology of ministry and it forever changed my life in a great way!!! I thought you might enjoy this video I found. I am starting to learn Hebrew for the first time in a seminary class and wanted to look up Hebrew spiritual songs to start immersing myself in the language. I stumbled upon this beautiful song called the "Hebrew-Arabic Peace Song" that is so fitting for our generation. Hope you are blessed by it!

Thanks. I was blessed. Wanted to get up and dance! My heart is inspired to pray ...
May your kingdom come … may your will be done on earth as in heaven.
The kingdom of God is justice, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
This especially warms my heart because this weekend I'm in Portland, Oregon, with a group working for Israeli-Palestinian peace.


Noah … and the Bible as a book for grown-ups

Tony Jones writes about the new film here … Quotable:

Darren Aronofsky has made an eminently biblical film.
That is, if you see the Bible as a living, complex text full of conflict and theological questions.
If you see the Bible as a wooden history book, you’ll probably dislike Noah. Or at least you’ll be confused.

Yet more evidence that the biblical cat is out of the fundamentalist bag.


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Q & R: Problems with Sermon on Mount?

Here's the Q:

Recently with Krista Tippet you pondered the power of people reading the Sermon the Mount on a daily basis. It brought to mind a talk at a church by Barack Obama where he pointed out how difficult it would be to translate that sermon into any kind of policy. I don't think that is a difficulty just for Presidents. It seems to be about the difficulties of leading a good life, like letting your candle shine but not being too smug about it. It seems many people have pondered the sermon and we have found its limits. Could you expand on what you were alluding to?

Here's the R:
I think a lot of people read the Sermon with a set of religious assumptions that distort it - for example, that it's about how to get to heaven (it's not), or that the words "be perfect" means "achieve technical perfection" (it means something very different in context), or that the word "righteousness" means "the moral perfection necessary to go to heaven when you die" (it means something much richer). I wrote about this in my book The Secret Message of Jesus, but I've had the chance to go even deeper in my upcoming book, We Make the Road by Walking, which will be available in June.


Q & R: beauty of God

Here's the Q:

I have read many of your books, and I loved the "On Being" interview. Towards the end of that conversation, are these words:
And then there was discussion and a long line of people came to the mic and then one Muslim scholar came to the mic and he said, "We have heard brilliant lectures about the love of God and brilliant lectures about the justice of God, but no one has yet spoken of the beauty of God." Then he spoke for a few minutes about God and beauty and I can just tell you that, for those next few minutes, I forgot whether I was a Christian or a Muslim.

The closest I have found so far in looking again in some of your books for more about this concept is in the "Why did Jesus...cross the road" book, in your reflections with Sol.

I wonder if you could say more about this interchange from the conference? I especially would like to know if there are any written resources (from Islam, say) that would illuminate what this speaker what saying.
Many thanks, and blessings.

Here's the R:
Thanks for this question. I wish I had additional contemporary resources to recommend on this subject. The one thing I can point to is the poetry of Rumi. Rumi was a 13th century Persian mystic. He was a Muslim of the Sufi tradition - broadly speaking, a Muslim contemplative movement. His poetry celebrates (often playfully) the beauty of God in many ways. Here are a few samples of short poems from "The Essential Rumi":
“Soul, if you want to learn secrets,

your heart must forget about
 and dignity.
You are God's lover,

yet you worry
what people
are saying.”

“You're water. We're the millstone.
You're wind. We're dust blown up into shapes.
You're spirit. We're the opening and closing
of our hands. You're the clarity.
We're the language that tries to say it.
You're joy. We're all the different kinds of laughing.”

“Knowledge that is acquired
is not like this. Those who have it worry if
audiences like it or not.
It's a bait for popularity.
Disputational knowing wants customers.
It has no soul...
The only real customer is God.
Chew quietly
your sweet sugarcane God-Love, and stay
playfully childish.”


We Make the Road by Walking: a fresh, coherent, reasonable understanding

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Q & R: troubled by growing fundamentalism

Here's the Q:

I recently bought your book, ‘Why did Jesus, Moses,…’, which I have almost finished reading, and will certainly be reading again.

In addition to being an excellent work of literature, I found the book to be of great help to me in my understanding of my Christian faith. Just to clarify matters, I live in England, I am 69 years of age and have been a member of the Church of England for most of my life. Recently I have been somewhat troubled by what I regard as a growing fundamentalism, among members of my own local church and to some extent in the wider C of E community in the UK. There seems to be a growing sense of - ‘all who do not follow Jesus are destined for hell’ - a point of view to which I have never subscribed. In this context I have found your book to be a great source comfort and reassurance.

I have, however, a couple of matters on which I would greatly appreciate your clarification.

Firstly, is there any room for interpretation of Jesus’ statement in John 14, ‘No-one comes to the Father except through me’ (New International Version) ? This has always caused me problems because I have always maintained that there are so many good people in the world - Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Atheists (even Manchester United supporters) etc. etc. who, in my opinion are more than worthy of acceptance into Heaven. I just cannot accept that only believers in Jesus will receive such acceptance. And while I appreciate the contents of chapter 22, ‘How reading the Bible responsibly…..’. it seems to me that the statement in question is perfectly clear and unambiguous, and as such is not open to interpretation. Over the years I have asked for clarification on this matter from a number of clergymen friends, but I have never really been satisfied with the answers I have received. Our present in incumbent (for whom I have the highest regard) simply addresses the matter by saying, ‘Ah, yes, there we do have a problem’.

My second question concerns, again, chapter 22. I found your description of Paul’s handling of the ‘darker passages’ of the Old Testament quite brilliant and satisfying. But then I thought to myself, that’s all very well, but what about followers of the Old Testament who are not Christian, e,g. followers of the Jewish faith, and therefore would not have access to, or an interest in the New Testament and its treatment of the Old Testament texts; are they confined to following the ‘darker’ Old Testament texts as written ?

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. I'm sure many in England wouldn't go as far as including Manchester United supporters in those who are possibly redeemable! But aside from that …

On the John 14:6, question, I've addressed this at some length in a few of my books, especially A New Kind of Christianity, Chapter 19. But you'll also find a lot of information on that passage here on this site:

Your second question is very perceptive and important. In Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed ... I mentioned the importance of seeing arguments among the biblical writers. I used the example of Matthew 14-15 being in conversation with Deuteronomy 7, but similar pairings could be made within the Hebrew Scriptures alone.

For example, Ezra presents a rather harsh and exclusive attitude toward outsiders. But Ruth presents a very hospitable and respectful view, as does Jonah. (It's worth re-reading both Ruth and Jonah - which are short - with this question in mind: how should insiders see outsiders?)

If people only choose priestly passages in line with Ezra, people will get what they're looking for - justification for harshness and exclusivity. But if people allow the more prophetic passages of the Bible to be in argument with those priestly passages, they'll have resources to argue for a more humane (and we Christians would say "Christ-like) approach to "the other" as "one-another." My upcoming book - We Make the Road by Walking - will explore all this in a fresh, simple, and coherent way. I think you'll find it helpful.


Peace is like a tree ...

Friends in Afghanistan spread contagious kindness … planting trees, not bombs. Probably the most inspiring five minutes you'll experience today …


A reader writes … I have not felt welcome

A reader writes ...

I recently read your book Why Did Jesus, Moses, Buddha, and Mohamed Cross the Road? and it really speaks to my heart about by Christian beliefs. I am a member of a PCUSA church in [the South] that is being torn apart because of the upcoming vote of the General Assembly concerning the definition of marriage. My husband and I are among the few 'radicals' who believe Christ would include gay people with love so I am not sure what we will do if our church votes to leave the denomination. I have not felt to welcome in the last two years because I have spoken out. I love my church family but I no longer want to remain silent. In the South, it is hard to find a place now for Christians who want to explore faith issues you have expressed so well in your book. I don't know that you have any suggestions, but we continue to pray for an inclusive church based on love and the life of Christ.

It's painful to leave a congregation … but I think there's going to be a lot of turmoil in the next few years as lots of people and groups make choices. Some churches and denominations and splits will "double down" on more conservative commitments - often from sincere conviction, and often because their major donors hold them hostage, and often from a mixture of both reasons. Others will open up, making their more conservative members feel abandoned and displaced.

Let's show grace to each other in this resorting process … It's inevitable, given the state of affairs in our churches and our polarized culture-wars climate. Those of us who show extra grace in these times will help a difficult process be at least a little more humane.

As one of my friends says, "Have the courage to differ graciously." Each of those terms matter: courage, differ, graciously.


Rachel (as usual) gets it right.


… the (recent World Vision) situation put into stark, unsettling relief just how misaligned evangelical priorities have become.

When Christians declare that they would rather withhold aid from people who need it than serve alongside gays and lesbians helping to provide that aid, something is wrong.

There is a disproportionate focus on homosexuality that consistently dehumanizes, stigmatizes and marginalizes gay and lesbian people and, at least in this case, prioritizes the culture war against them over and against the important work of caring for the poor.

And this:
So my question for those evangelicals is this: Is it worth it?

Is a “victory” against gay marriage really worth leaving thousands of needy children without financial support?

Is a “victory” against gay marriage worth losing more young people to cynicism regarding the church?

Is a “victory” against gay marriage worth perpetuating the idea that evangelical Christians are at war with LGBT people?

And is a “victory” against gay marriage worth drowning out that quiet but persistent internal voice that asks, "what if we get this wrong?"

I, for one, am tired of arguing. I’m tired of trying to defend evangelicalism when its leaders behave indefensibly.

I’m going AWOL on evangelicalism's culture wars so I can get back to following Jesus among its many refugees: LGBT people, women called to ministry, artists, science-lovers, misfits, sinners, doubters, thinkers and “the least of these.”

I’m ready to stop waging war and start washing feet.

More here:


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Racism in High School

A film we all need to see - available for free online, right here, and just 17 minutes long:

(Thanks, Bill Dahl, for your work on this powerful short film!)


A reader writes: Response to On Being

I just heard your interview with Krista Tippett from the Wild Goose festival, 2013 and felt the need to write to you to say thank you.

… I come from a family of "born again Christians." I'm on mom and dad's prayer list because I, self admittedly, don't want to belong to an organized religion nor do I claim to be "born again" or "saved". I have a really hard time wanting to claim, "I have the truth"- in the face of friends and family who might not share the same truth that I would claim...making them wrong, me right, and they burn in hell. I can't get back to that place of rightness because of it's divisiveness. It doesn't make sense to me... Catholics go to hell (my husband), my gay niece goes to hell, my atheist/homeless/prodigal-son brother is pre-destined to go to hell according to the church I grew up in... I just can't.

When I heard your interview, it shook me to my core. You exist!?!?! These ideas and beliefs exist outside of my head?!

Thank you. We are expecting our first born in July this year and religion/spirituality isn't something I can even talk about without feeling completely anxious and on edge. Unless we are talking about the absolute wonder and heaven that we are surrounded by in nature and through the wonder of the human condition. I can't take the divisiveness modern day American Christianity stands for, yet have not familiarized myself with any other options... I feel like your interview has prepped me to begin exploring outside the institution that I grew up in.

Thanks for writing. I'm so glad you heard the On Being interview … and I hope through this website you'll find lots of resources to help you explore what I call "a generous orthodoxy" or "a new kind of Christianity." I especially think you'll like my next book, We Make the Road by Walking.


"The Issue" is Not Going Away

If you don't know about the sad turn of events at World Vision, see Tony Jones' blog for more info
and Rachel Held Evans' (who launched something really positive in response to their original decision that was then overturned).
- be sure to read comments too. One of Rachel's readers commented:

I often feel like Charlie Brown when he tries to kick Lucy's football when engaging evangelical Christians and this is no exception.

In my On Being interview with Krista Tippet, around minute 35, I mention that I hear from a surprising number of Evangelicals who privately affirm a progressive stand on gay equality, and are figuring out when and how they can go public … Recently, two of them took that step:
More here:

A Tikkun article predicts the Religious Right is on its last legs:

But many churches - like the SDA -- appear to be doubling down on their stance on homosexuality:


A Seventh Day Adventist wrote me recently about his denomination.

Here are all the official stats of our church. How large we are etc.


This is the conference that is happening:

It is taking place in March in Cape town. There were rumors that it was going to be held in Nigeria but then the laws happened.

REALLY look at the breakout sessions. One is titled: "Alternative sexualities a disorder or a choice"

It's incredible that those are the only two choices. This is suppose to have 300+ delegates from around the world. It is being put on by the General Conference of our world wide church. They're including two ex-gay people that i've continually critiqued in articles.



This being held in Africa, and my church being as large as it is, it is surely going to affect the already homophobic climate here.

There are three (unofficial/not recognized) organizations that work in LGBT world. At least the ones that aren’t ex-gay groups. We have the documentary Seventh-Gay Adventists at sgamovie.com. There is also IAGC (we’re student run etc facebook.com/iagcadventist). And there is the longest running organization hat has been around for 30+ years that works more as a support group but releases statements concerning the church and LGBT stuff their website is sdakinship.com.

… We get away with so much because not many people know about us—even though we’re a big church.


Thankfully, there are voices that reflect a "non-doubling-down" attitude, like this one:
It's going forward. We're going forward, not down. And we need to keep evolving.


Readers write …

The following came in response to my post replying to a post about Don Miller, Rob Bell, and me that was formerly on one of CT's affiliate blogs. The original CT-affiliate post was later taken down:

Thanks for not being divisive. Thanks for your books as they have helped me come terms with my 30 year old faith. I would not be a follower of Jesus if not for you, Ron and Don.

Also this one ...
On another note, a read your recent FB post regarding the “Strange but Familiar Tale…” CT thing. As always, you’re a voice for multitudes of us who remain in evangelical institutions because of calling or pay checks (likely some of both) and who cannot be quiet so bold or bold at all. Thank you, Brian, and know that your ministry is impacting us here at [this Evangelical university].

Just wanted to send you encouragement and wish you blessings as you stand your ground strongly ... with grace that does you credit. The courage and humility that you, Rob Bell, Steve Chalke and others have shown is inspirational.

I have long thought that evangelicalism's number is up, and your post on the cat being out of the bag is spot on. It seems to be the ultimate insult for a Christian to be regarded as not an evangelical. And it seems to be de rigeur for evangelicals to put down, mock and dismiss anyone who disagrees with them. This is such a long way from being Christ-like that it is scarcely believable.

Instead of trying to convince people I'm "in" I have decided I am out. Once I've come out, I'm sure I'll feel much happier!

This discomfort about being affiliated with the word Evangelical was intensified this week with the sad reversal of World Vision's change in policy regarding LGBT employees. Tony Jones posted about it, and the comments section after his post tells the tale. The Evangelical "brand" appears to be one of the most embattled brands on the landscape, at least among younger and more educated people.

Finally, this:

Do you ever consider asking those persons who criticize you so heavily to please write something themselves that will be published for wide public consumption so you might have the opportunity to pick it apart? Not that you would, I'm certain, but it bugs me terribly when people who have no platform of their own ride the coat tails of persons who do for the sole benefit of complaining. A rhetorical though, I'm sure.

Yes, I wonder how they would handle being on the other side of the keyboard, so to speak. Three quotes about critics come to mind …

“I have spent a good many years since―too many, I think―being ashamed about what I write. I think I was forty before I realized that almost every writer of fiction or poetry who has ever published a line has been accused by someone of wasting his or her God-given talent. If you write (or paint or dance or sculpt or sing, I suppose), someone will try to make you feel lousy about it, that's all.”
― Stephen King, On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft

“Asking a working writer what he thinks about critics is like asking a lamp-post what it feels about dogs." [Time Magazine, October 31, 1977]”
― John Osborne

“Critics are our friends, they show us our faults.”
― Benjamin Franklin

In light of Ben Franklin's words, one might wish some critics had more critics of their own. But maybe many do … they've just lost the capacity to take in what they dish out?


Mimi Haddad gets it right on gender, identity, and equality


Scripture points to a “human essentialism,” which is not associated with gender. The fixed and unchangeable essence of humankind is that both male and female are created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26–28)! And, to bear God’s image is an identity with a purpose: both Adam and Eve share authority in caring for the world. Scripture emphasizes not the differences between Adam and Eve but their unity and oneness. They share a physical substance, because Eve comes from Adam’s body. They also share God’s image, an essence that imparts a purpose—caring for the garden with shared authority and ruling over the animals, not over each other!


Report on recent trip

This reporter did a nice job summarizing my recent visit to Madison, WI.


Yes, Everything Must Change

This recent report ...


… is reminiscent of my book Everything Must Change. Kudos to all who are waking up!


Youth Workers (and people who love them)

This deserves your attention.


We Make the Road by Walking: getting the big story

We Make the Road by Walking 2 from brian mclaren on Vimeo.

Please help spread the word. The book releases June 10. Thanks for your support! More information here.


The Christian Way


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This probably won't get much coverage in the US mass media ...

The Egyptian military regime hands down a mass death sentence for 529 members/supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, apparently with no opportunity for the lawyers of the defendants to present a defense.

Terrorism is terrible, but counter-terrorism can be no less terrible. It can become an excuse for mass extermination - "cleansing" if you will - of political opponents.

The old maxim, "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life" was meant to curb excessive and mass retribution thousands of years ago. How quickly people slip backwards. To paraphrase Dr. King, if you fight fire with fire, the whole world burns. Read more here:




Let's not stop praying and advocating for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East …

If you want to read what I've written on the subjects of peace and justice, start here:
and here


A week ago I spent a day in Lakeland, FL,

… participating in a protest near the headquarters of Publix. If you've never participated in something like this, I hope you'll consider it. The reports below will give you a feel for what it's like:


One of the greatest discoveries and joys of my life has been the experience of combining spirituality/contemplation and activism. Call it spiritual activism or activist spirituality, I highly recommend

A. prayerfully listening to your heart for causes you care about,
B. choosing a level of commitment you can begin with - attending one protest a year, writing one blog a month, changing your buying habits, etc.
C. integrating your spiritual values with your activism, and vice versa.

When I became a writer full-time, my more flexible schedule enabled me to expand my activist involvements. Sometimes it's a lot of work, but the joy, teamwork, and sense of creative rightness and goodness of involvement always more than compensate.


Q & R: Emerging? Progressive?

Here's the Q:

Brian, it seems to me that Emerging Christianity and Progressive Christianity are similar in many ways. What are the unique distinctions and is there any thought of a convergence, in spite of what differences there may be?

Here's the R:
As with many questions, the best answer to this one is "it depends" - on what you mean by Progressive.

There is what I call an "old religious left" or "old progressivism" that had many strengths and made many contributions, especially in the first 2/3 of the 20th century. It opened the way for new possibilities to emerge. It was basically one vital wing of a modernist, colonial, institutional version of Christianity.

In this way of thinking, "left" and "right" were two ways of being traditionally modernist and colonial. Each fought the Enlightenment in some ways and embraced it in others. Each supported the state in some ways and resisted it in others. Each sought control of institutions, albeit for slightly different reasons. The left emphasized charity and institutional loyalty, and the right emphasized personal salvation and private piety, each to the near-exclusion of the other. The right defended biblical inerrancy and the left rejected it, but both opted for an understanding of Christian faith that worked well within the assumptions of modernity.

What I understand "emerging" or "emergence" to refer to is a critique of the modernist colonial mindset and an attempt to move beyond it. In this way, it differs from both old left and old right and yet respects and draws from their resources.

Many people use progressive in a different way. For them, progressive contrasts to conservative, regressive or change-averse.

In this sense, conservative/regressive/change averse says the best days are in the past, things are getting worse, and we must hold the line, resist the decay, and stop the slide down the slippery slope. Power and privilege must be conserved among those who already have it, because evil rivals are trying to steal away what has been rightly and justly earned.

And in this sense, progressive says better days are possible, we can (with God's wisdom and power) help create a more just and beautiful world, we've already slid down the slope along way and need - yes, to strive not to sink further, but more - to climb higher. Power and privilege must be more widely distributed because much of what is possessed by today's elites was gained through unjust means.

You might say that for conservatives, the greatest danger is losing the progress that has already been gained, and for progressives, the greatest danger is failing to seize the progress that is within reach now. If this is what you mean by Progressive Christianity, then yes, I think it and Emergence Christianity are on the same path, or better said, they are making the same path as we move forward.


Life and death

Read this loving and deeply moving tribute and plea from my friend Rich Cizik.


Integrating Prayer, Meditation, and Movement


If that sounds interesting, check out this project I helped create with my colleague Suzanne Jackson:
Available herehttp://wordlessprayer.com/store.html#simplewords
And here http://shop.patheos.com/products/twelve-simple-words

Here's more:

From a user of the videos:

I love the whole format! Brian's words, the beautiful setting and the movements, all of it. I have been trying to incorporate praying with my body into my life for a few years and it is difficult when I have to look at illustrations or read directions to practice. So having Suzanne's auditory leading is PERFECT!


We Make the Road by Walking: 2 ways it can help you

We Make the Road by Walking 1 from brian mclaren on Vimeo.


Q & R: A 21-year-old European reader asks about anger

Here's the Q:

I'd like to thank you for your awesome work. It really speaks to me, a 21-year-old young adult, who's in love in Christ, but not in Christianity.

My question to you is the following: How do you deal with anger coming from fundamentalists? For example, I believe in the restoration of all things (apokastasis a la Gregory of Nyssa), and I don't find homosexuality or premarital sex to be sins. This really makes fundamentalists roast at me, and I'm seen as less Christian by them.
They usually just dismiss my views by quoting the Bible, and then they proceed to offer an interpretation of the quoted verse. I disagree with the interpretation, which results in me being seen as disagreeing with God. That's just ludicrous and brings us back to the Garden of Eden (Adam and Eve wanted to be gods). I see this condemnation as part of the cross I have to bear for Christ.

I bet you have had worse experience than me due to your progressive books and refreshing opinions. So how did you deal with the judgment and hate?

Kind regards from a European bro in Christ.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. My friend Rob Bell offered some excellent counsel on this question just yesterday, which you'll find here.

And here is something I've written on the subject …


Cana Update

Last year I asked for readers of this blog to help launch an initiative that has come to be known as the Cana Initiative. We brought together a small group for planning in November, and we've made some great progress in a short amount of time since then. Wonderful people have signed on as initiators (you're welcome to sign on too). A blog has launched, and a short list of key initiatives is being identified. Of course, the dreams are big, and there is much to do, so this is just a small beginning. But I want to thank all those who have helped, and I want to ask all those who feel inspired by this start to become regular financial supporters, as I am, which you can do right here:

Here's the update:

Life in the world of the Cana Initiative has been very busy and productive in recent months.

We continue to hear relief, excitement and hopefulness in people when they learn that there is a concerted effort of Convening, Advocating, Networking and Acting for A Generous Christianity in North America.

The Cana approach is to provide crucial convening, advocating, networking energies at the right time in the most crucial and “pregnant” efforts in order to extend, broaden and sustain the Generous Christianity Movement.

As part of our Convening function we will be hosting a number of events, some large, some small; some with a specific theme, some just for connection.
Here is a start of the list of events for the 2014. More coming soon.

Details are available for the Chicago and Washington DC meet ups with details on other events when they are available.
Cana Calendar:
March 16 Chicago Local Gathering – a simple gathering -A Local Gathering is a chance for connection with others and invitations to be part of the Cana Initiative.
March 26 Washington DC Local Gathering – a simple gathering – A Local Gathering is a chance for connection with others and invitations to be part of the Cana Initiative.
April 30 San Francisco Local Gathering – a simple gathering – A Local Gathering is a chance for connection with others and invitations to be part of the Cana Initiative.
June 29-31 Asheville, North Carolina Post-Wild Goose Gathering – A gathering of Cana people from around the country to plan, plot and scheme together.
July 21-24 College Age Initiative, Chicago – Those interested in seeing a national generous Christianity movement among College aged people.
Fall 2014 – Theological Education Additive/Alternative Programs, New York
Fall 2014 – Technology/Online Portals and Faith, Location to be determined

Again, thanks, everyone, for your interest. From this small seed, I hope deep roots will grow and much fruit will come that will bring blessing and good to you and with you to more and more.


A Multi-Sensory Eucharist


Q & R: From a Jewish reader

Here's the Q:

I am a Jewish person reading "Why Did Jesus, Moses......" At the request of a Christian friend who I have been involved in conversation with for over a year. We are both working to achieve a sense of community through acceptance of others who may believe differently than we do (amongst other topics). I have a question that I hope you can answer. At your meeting with religious leaders in a mosque with other religious leaders, you quote Christian leaders of many faiths (p. 146). I am very curious to know what the responses of the rabbis and imams was. I feel that this could be a very telling answer because it would give me, and other readers., insight into the Jewish/Muslim view of this event and how we could move forward. It also would reflect on the quote by your Muslim friend (p. 134) that he really didn't know Christianity until he heard it described by a Christian. You are writing for a Christian audience but it would be helpful to me, as a reader, and I hope my Christian friends, to learn about other responses that are outside the "Christian box."

Your book is very interesting. I am learning more about the Christian point of view and it is sending me back to my own Jewish texts to understand my own personal Jewish responses.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your encouraging words and your interesting question. I wish I had an interesting answer! At the event I described, each leader read a prepared answer to a question (e.g. "According to your tradition, what is your duty toward your neighbor?"), and there wasn't any cross-talk (as I recall) between speakers. So as far as I can recall, nobody responded to the talks of other speakers. That would have been interesting.

Since that time, I've had the opportunity to participate in many dialogues where rabbis, imams, Buddhist teachers, Hindus, and Christian leaders like myself had the chance for interaction. It has always been a rich experience. Here's a snippet from one such dialogue, held at the Wild Goose Festival in NC, featuring my Muslim friend Ani Zonneveld:


Q & R: Violence and Paul

Here's the Q:

A bit more than a year ago, perhaps even longer you did a blog entry that looked at some exegesis of Paul that essentially argued that his exegesis is non-violent--at least for the particular passage that you referenced. Jesus does something very similar when he reads from the scroll from Isaiah 61 in Luke 4 and omits "the day of vengeance of our Lord." in his reading.

I was wondering if you know if anyone has done any extensive work on this--either Pauline or Christological (is that even a word?) exegesis arguing for non-violence? This is a theme that has not gone away since hearing about the Luke 4 scenario and reading your blog and I am very interested in reading more about this.

Here's the R:
I wrote about this a good bit in Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road, and it will be a significant theme of We Make the Road by Walking.

Three (actually four) theologians (among many more) who have influenced me profoundly in this regard are:
Derek Flood - it was his work that I referred to in the earlier blog post.
Michael Hardin - both of his books, and his amazing website, address Paul and violence.
Sylvia Keesmaat and Brian Walsh - their upcoming and long-awaited work Romans Disarmed will grapple with this, as did Colossians Remixed.


This weekend, I'll be on radio and TV

I am a huge fan of Krista Tippet and On Being, and I was honored and delighted to be interviewed by her at the Wild Goose Festival last summer. The interview airs this weekend, and you can listen to the podcast any time. Here's the write-up:

How can people rediscover faith as a series of stories and encounters rather than being reduced to a system of abstractions and beliefs? An influential voice in the worlds of progressive Evangelicalism and “emerging” Christianity, Brian McLaren envisions a community where diversity no longer means division. A provocative conversation on the meaning and future of Church in a 21st-century world.

Then on Sunday, March 16 at 10 p.m. EST, I'll have a few things to say on a new H2 series called Bible Rules. People have been tweeting that they saw me for a brief second on the advertisements for the show on H2 and History Channel.

I hope you enjoy both shows.


This is what spiritual activism looks like ...

It's happening today in Lakeland, FL.


A (non-reader?) writes: I exhort Brian McLaren to repent of his anti-Christian Zionism

A (non-reader?) writes:

I exhort Brian McLaren to repent of his anti-Christian Zionism which is an affront to God! The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people as given to them as an everlasting covenant made between God and Abraham and his descendents forever!

A response:
Thanks for the encouragement to repent (i.e. to prayerfully self-examine and rethink), something I try to remain perpetually willing to do. Hardness of heart and stiffness of neck are bad for the soul, and in that light, your exclamation points are perfectly fitting!

I just heard that bombs were flying in Israel again last night, reminders that the vicious, violent cycles of offense and revenge, counter-revenge and counter-offense continue spinning in the precious land of Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus. Today is a sad yet fitting day to respond to your post.

First, I'm curious about how you decided "anti-Christian Zionist" applies to me and what you mean by it. There is actually a sense in which I could be called a Christian Zionist. I want all people of every ethnicity and religion to live in peace, with justice, and enjoy true prosperity and security wherever they live. I want Jewish people to have this freedom everywhere on earth, and especially in their ancestral homeland. As a Christian, I feel a special concern for the Jewish people because of the terrible atrocities committed against them for nearly two thousand years in the name of Christianity. (Sadly, our religious heritage has been complicit in many atrocities, so our compassion must be stretched multi directionally.)

That's why I always pray, seek, and speak for solutions in the Middle East that are pro-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, pro-peace, and pro-justice. How could God desire justice and peace for some precious people and in so doing heartlessly cause injustice and despair for others? That would make God an unjust and uncompassionate "respecter of persons," something Scripture repeatedly says isn't true.

Perhaps you're defining "Christian Zionist" in your following sentence: "The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people as given to them as an everlasting covenant made between God and Abraham and his descendents forever!" If that's how you define the term, then I'm not "anti-" it, but I'm concerned about it in light of Scriptures like these:

The Law in Deuteronomy 10 says:

17For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. 18He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. 19And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.

Then, in Deuteronomy 28 (frightening to read), the Lord promises the people will be defeated in battle and evicted from their land if they don't obey his commands, including, presumably, Deuteronomy 10:19.

Similarly, the Law says in Leviticus 19:

33“ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

And similarly, in Leviticus 26, terrifying consequences follow if the people don't obey the Lord's commands, including, presumably, Leviticus 19:33.

So, if you are going to take the Bible literally and as a timeless, non-contextual legal constitution (an approach I understand and respect, even though it is not how I read the Bible), you would have to conclude the following:

The same God who promised the descendants of Abraham the land of Israel also promised that they would not enjoy that inheritance if they mistreat the aliens, strangers, foreigners and others among them. One promise can't be taken to the exclusion of the other.

For that reason, someone like yourself who takes Scripture so seriously should be at the forefront of urging the nation of Israel to treat their Palestinian neighbors as they would want to be treated.

We Christians must, I think, only enter this conversation with great humility. Sadly, many if not most of our Christian ancestors treated the Jews in ways that should sicken and disgust us all today. And tragically, the way anti-Semitic Christians treated Jews, colonizing Christians treated Native Americans, and Christian conquistadores treated the indigenous people of Latin America, and apartheid/segregation-defending racist Christians treated people of color in South Africa and the US. It is not fitting for people of a religion with our history to quickly take a position of moral superiority.

In that sense, all of us Christians must (to use your word) repent. We must realize that, as Dr. King said, we can't cure injustice with injustice, violence with violence, prejudice with prejudice, insult with injury. Rather, we must seek solutions in the Middle East and elsewhere that reveal our belief that God desires justice for the oppressed, all the oppressed … and that God desires peace and security for all, which is why, according to Micah, God tells humanity what is most important:
to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with God.

There is good news for everyone: Palestinians, Israelis, Americans, South Africans, citizens of Rwanda and the Central African Republic, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, the nonreligious, everyone …we can face our old hatreds and fears and put them behind us, repent, reconcile, and learn to wholeheartedly love God and neighbor, including the stranger, alien, other, and even enemy. In so doing, we can enjoy this precious promise:

that if we seek first God's kingdom and justice, every other good thing we seek (security, prosperity, justice, equality) will be given to us (Matthew 6:33).

In this, of course, I often fail, and so must be compassionate with others who fail. But it is my sincere aspiration all the more when I fail.

As you know, it is risky to even address this issue. I wouldn't be surprised if various blogs and websites will in the coming days take snippets out of what I've written here and use them to malign and misrepresent. But because I love my neighbors - Jewish and Christian and Muslim and secular, in Israel, in Palestine, and elsewhere (including you!), I try to speak out honestly when I can, even though doing so is fraught with difficulties, all intensified by my own imperfections.

By the way, you might be aware that there has been a recent resurgence of interest in whether Christian Zionism (however you define it) is truly Christian, and truly in the interests of the people of Israel. This article by a rabbi expresses my feelings as well as anything I've ever read:

I hope you'll read his whole post carefully, including this:

For many of us, these are the critical – and too often ignored – questions for interfaith dialogue: what will we do with those aspects of our religious traditions that value entitlement over humility? Do we believe that this land was promised by God to one particular group of people, or will we affirm a theology that promises the land to all who dwell upon it? Will we lift up the fusing of religion with state power and empire or will we advocate a religious vision that preaches solidarity with the powerless, the disenfranchised and the downtrodden?

Several other Jewish voices have influenced me strongly on these issues. Although they differ in some ways, they share a concern for a more holistic and integrated appeal to Scripture on behalf of both Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the region.
I highly recommend Mark Braverman's new book, Fatal Embrace.
Marc Ellis' Judaism Does Not Equal Israel is a sobering and instructive read.
Rabbi Michael Lerner addresses issues with his characteristic wisdom and balance in Embracing Israel/Palestine.
I'd also highly recommend this blog by a Jewish writer and activist in the UK, Micah's Paradigm Shift.

In addition, Gary Burge is an Evangelical Christian who powerfully and insightfully addresses the deeper issues of Christian Zionism in
Jesus and the Land.

And if you've never heard the voice and heart of a Palestinian Christian, Elias Chacour's Blood Brothers is a good place to start.

And all this, of course, only scratches the surface. But your note to me is probably a good place for us all to start … calling for a willingness to open closed minds and give assumptions a second thought, to be open that we've been wrong or ignorant and have more to learn, which is what repent means.

Late note: Just after posting this, I realized that today is the last day of an important conference among Evangelical Christians, hosted in Bethlehem and involving many of my good friends. I would have been there myself if my schedule allowed it. This article gives a sense of the intensity and importance of this subject, as difficult as it is to address.


Phyllis Tickle turns 80!


HAPPY 80th BIRTHDAY, PHYLLIS! Like so many others, I want to be like you when I grow up. You've been a friend and inspiration in so many ways. You are loved!

To all my readers - this is a great day to buy the new book I contributed to that celebrates Phyllis' life and work: Phyllis Tickle: Evangelist of the Future



Bird Watching as Meditation Retreat in May ...

I can't go, but I wish I could ...

For others who pay attention to birds, here are two wonderful books:
Debbie Blue's Consider the Birds
Simon Barnes' How to Be a Bad Birdwatcher


A Letter to Publix Owners and Management

Dear Publix Leadership,

I should begin by saying that I am in almost all ways a big fan of your company. I often shop in a nearby Publix and shopping there truly is a pleasure. It is clean. The staff are friendly and helpful. The products are good and the prices reasonable.

I'm especially impressed with the way Publix hires people with disabilities.

To provided a needed service and then go above and beyond in seeking to benefit the community - that's a winning combination, and a legacy to be proud of.

That's why I've been so surprised to see Publix (along with Wendy's) refusing (so far) to join the Fair Food Program. And that's why I've been outspoken in my desire to see Publix live up to the ideals of its founder, George Jenkins, who said, “Don’t let making a profit stand in the way of doing the right thing."

A few days ago, a group of farmworkers from Immokalee, FL, set out on the ten-city "Now is the Time" tour to inform people about the Fair Food Campaign.

It's been a remarkable campaign so far. McDonald's signed on. Trader Joe's signed on. Taco Bell signed on. Most recently WalMart signed on. Already, thousands of farmworkers are receiving a little better wage along with better, safer working conditions because management in the food industry - your colleagues - put doing the right thing first.

Pastor Miguel Estrada of Misión Peniel spoke this blessing over the "Now is the Time" messengers as they set out:

“You are the couriers of a fundamental message amidst the reality in which farmworkers find themselves. The need for justice is essential and the need for others to still join this effort continues to be true. And so we will continue to invite Publix and Wendy’s to come and reconcile with farmworkers so that they understand that they are a necessary part of bringing justice to those that work in the fields. And today, we ask that they repent… that they repent for the reality that they have fostered where there is no justice. And that is the message you bring today…

And so take this message. Bring it to the ten cities in which you will arrive. Let them know that reconciliation is possible… We know that a true message is not simply material, but it is something that we carry with us in our hearts. And if you believe that truth, it will be a powerful message.”

Because I am such a big fan of your company, and because I am such a big fan of the Coalition of Immokalee Workers and the Fair Food Program, I'd like to make a suggestion.

Why don't you contact CIW right away and have some direct communication with them about joining the program?

Wouldn't it be great if Saturday, March 15, when the tour comes to your home base in Lakeland (I'm planning to be there too), we could come not to protest and plead - but to celebrate and congratulate?

We're not asking you to do something very difficult. We're asking you to do the right thing.

I hope we can celebrate you joining the program on March 15!
Brian McLaren
a conscientious customer


Q & R: I still don't get McLaren on the who's-going-to-heaven stuff.

Here's the Q:

I still don't get McLaren on the who's-going-to-heaven stuff. I get the feeling he's scared of the question, like that he'd get in trouble. But maybe I've got that wrong? ... in BMC's case, he seems to not want the question to arise. But to those terrified by the church's brutal and horrific doctrines of hell, "We don't ask that question any more" just doesn't cut it. ... I take myself to share BMC's basic outlook on where the focus should be, but instead of thinking that shared focus requires us to never let the question arise, it pushes toward a certain *kind* of answer (which need not be universalism)

… As one who was himself terrorized by traditional doctrines of hell, my greatest concern is for those still haunted by them. I do think these horrifying views are a major stumbling block. It seems to me that such folks should be told that there are more hopeful Christian views out there (Christian universalism being just one example). To someone who sees a horrific doctrine of hell as the only real Christian alternative, and for whom that's a tragic deal breaker, or to one terrorized by the thought of people going to such a hell, what doesn't seem to help (to perhaps again be a bit unfair to you here) is to tell them "We don't ask about / think about that anymore."

Here's the R:
This important question arises in response to my reply to a recent article, where I said:

Anyone who applies the term universalism to my understanding of things hasn't read me carefully. The situation is actually much "worse" than simply switching from exclusivism to inclusivism or universalism. I think the set of assumptions that divides the world into inclusivists, exclusivists, and universalists is deeply flawed. It's not that I've answered the "who goes to heaven" question differently - it's that I've become convinced (by Scripture and by many great theologians of the church through history) that "who goes to heaven" is not the primary question Jesus (or other biblical writers) came to ask.

First, I can see why someone might suspect I'm scared of the question. The religious world gives people a lot to be afraid about (as the fiery comments sections of most religious blogs make clear!). But if I were scared of the question, I probably wouldn't have written a whole book on the subject (called The Last Word and the Word After That). I've done my best to demonstrate a commitment to speak freely, carefully, and I hope graciously about what I believe and face the consequences.

Second, I am glad to clarify that I am not trying to "never let the question arise," nor do I want say in any way, "We don't ask or think about that question anymore." The universalism question arises constantly, and regular readers of this blog know I address it repeatedly.

Third, I agree we must be very sensitive to "those terrified by the church's brutal and horrific doctrines of hell," and I understand why a simple "universalist" response may be the most pastorally helpful for those people. They are rightly terrified, brutalized, and horrified by the portrayal of God as a terrifying, brutal, and horrific. They aren't in the mood for nuance and a lot of theological backstory … they just need reassurance that God is not vicious, vindictive, and dictatorial.

So, if by Universalist, you mean, "One who believes God perfectly and fully loves the entire universe, and every creature in it," or if you mean that God will do everything possible to give everyone possible the best possible eternal outcome of their temporal lives, or if you mean that God is not a capricious and vicious torturer who will punish eternally all those who are not "among the elect" or otherwise successful in selecting and following the correct religion … then, yes, of course, sign me up. I am happy (and unafraid) to be counted among your number.

Perhaps I should stop there.

But for those who are interested, here's why I don't normally choose that label. When the conventional question - who goes to heaven and who goes to hell - frames reality, universalism and inclusivism are preferable answers to exclusivism. But when that conventional question frames reality, and when one chooses universalism, we face a temptation to say, "Whew. What a relief! Everything will be OK! There will be a happy ending!" And that relief can lead to a kind of passivity, namely, that if all will be well in the end, then all is well now. But that isn't the case.

In other words, I don't think that the heaven-hell question is the one that should frame reality. But I acknowledge that it does frame reality for many Christians (and Muslims), and many of them need a better answer within that frame than the exclusivist one they've been given. They simply aren't ready or able to reframe reality with a different question.

When a different question frames reality - how can God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven - then we have to acknowledge that for billions of God's creatures, God's will is not being done on earth as in heaven. Universalism may be good news for them after they die, but right now, they need good news that God cares about the mess they're in … the mess of injustice, oppression, ignorance, prejudice, hunger, thirst, sickness, loneliness, guilt, shame, addiction, fear, poverty, etc. And that good news can not be in word only. It must come in deed and in truth, as 1 John and James both say (echoing Jesus) … which makes our reply very costly.

I guess this is a case of needing pastoral sensitivity to discern which problem people are facing. For some, the urgent need is to be liberated from a vicious and cruel depiction of God as eternal cosmic torturer. For others, the urgent need is to be liberated from a sense that God may help them after they die, but until then, they're stuck and sunk. Perhaps what we need is a kind of activist universalism - that affirms God's saving love for all creation, but doesn't stop there … but rather sends us into creation to bear and manifest that saving love universally - for friend, stranger, and enemy … for Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and everyone else … for humans and living creatures and all creation.


Note to Denominational Leaders

If you're a bishop, executive presbyter, district superintendent, canon, dean, Christian education specialist, regional minister, new church development staff, consultant, or other denominational executive, or if you'd like to forward this to the relevant person in your network, this message is for you:

Over the last decade, I’ve had the privilege of meeting many gifted and dedicated church and denominational leaders ... people like you who are helping strong churches thrive and grow, weak churches turn around, and new churches begin.

I believe my next book, We Make the Road by Walking (June 2014), could be of special help to you and the churches you serve in at least five ways:

1. Whole churches could use the book as a year-long curriculum (or on a quarterly basis) in basic Christian faith and living.

2. Adult classes, small groups, and youth groups could use the book for their own spiritual growth - and as a venue to welcome in new people.

3. New and experimental congregations could form using the book and its auxiliary resources.

4. A district, diocese, or other group of churches could create a regional campaign using the book to welcome in unchurched and de-churched people - including the children and grand-children of existing church members.

5. Churches in struggle and transition could use the book to create a year of new beginnings.

The book speaks to a wide range of people - from the religiously knowledgeable with lots of “pew time” to absolute beginners who are new to the faith, and from the more conservative to the more progressive. It offers liturgical resources, well-thought-out questions for conversation, and guidelines for honest and heartfelt engagement.

Groups can begin using the book starting at Chapter 1 in September 2014, or at any point before or after, starting at the appropriate place in the church year.

If you would like to additional information about how this book could be of use to those you serve, my publisher and I would like to help. Just email your name and address to laini.brown@hbgusa.com

These are exciting times, full of challenge and possibilities. Of all my books, this is the one that I think has the most potential to help you and the churches you serve to explore "a new kind of Christianity," practice "a generous orthodoxy," and “make the road by walking.” We're all in this together!


Brian D. McLaren


A reader writes: As long as we put our religion before our humanity we will never have peace

A reader writes:

Last Christmas, my boyfriend’s 15 year old daughter gave me your book as a gift because she said she thought of me when she saw it in the bookstore. You see, I am a Christian that happened to live and work in the Middle East [for many years.] I just wanted to tell you how much I truly enjoyed and appreciated this book.

Several years before I went to the Middle East I did some research on cultural sensitivity and I came across some articles and research conducted by Hammar (seehttp://mdbgroup.com/idi-background.html for more on this) and one of the statements that he made was (paraphrasing) “…you cannot understand your own culture if you are part of the dominant culture; it is only when you are part of the non-dominant culture can you truly understand”. This is what happened to me when I went to the Middle East. Ironically, I didn’t understand my own faith, my true Christian beliefs, until I lived in a culture where the dominant religion was Islam. So in a way, I became a better Christian because of the faith I saw in my friends that were Muslim. When I came home to the US I found myself defending a religion, I didn’t even agree with. I share this with you because your book was the first book I have read by a Christian that not only believes in reaching out to other religions but you have friends, true friends, that are from other religions. I can certainly relate when you wrote about being accused of “picking and choosing” because I have friends that are well meaning Christians that seem to want to accuse me of being “lukewarm” whenever I speak up for my friends that are Muslim, or Hindu, or Jewish or gay, or even atheist.

There are so many statements I want to quote from your book but perhaps that one that really resonated with me was on page 204, where you indicate that “the Bible is not a constitution” and on page 205 where you state “Interpretation is also and always a matter of ethics, a matter of the heart and the conscience”. I am always deeply troubled by the hateful acts that are done in the name of God when Jesus taught us to be people of peace. Which leads to my favorite part of your book on pages 135 -136 where you talk about how Jesus has been used as a weapon and challenge your reader to think about what would Jesus do if he encountered Mohammed or Buddha. I also want to thank you for writing about the history of our faith and the dark history that we so often don’t want to remember and how we must “….face this deep-running current of imperial hostility in our Christian history”.

My guess is that to some fundamentalist your writing are controversial but I am glad that you are writing these types of books to speak out to the thinking Christian. I am currently reading your book “A New Kind of Christianity” and I also find it inspiring. So thank you again for putting into words what my heart needed to hear.
A few years ago, a Lebanese friend of mine (who is what you might call an agnostic –Muslim) was discussing the conflict in the Middle East between the Shia and Sunni Muslims and she said “As long as we put our religion before our humanity we will never have peace”. I’d like to think that if Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed did ever cross the road this is one statement that would all agree with.

Thanks for your encouraging words. Your friend's statement about putting humanity before religion reminds me of Jesus' words … that humanity wasn't made for the Sabbath (i.e. religion), but the Sabbath (i.e. religion) was made for humanity. I think Paul does something similar in Romans. He is trying to bring Jews and Gentiles together in the gospel, but the Law of Moses seems to separate them. So he goes before Moses to Abraham, who offers a way of connecting with God (faith) more primal than law. And then he goes back before Abraham to Adam, where all are brought together in our common humanity.



Hi, all -
January and February have been full and full of surprises, almost all of them happy ones. Here's what's ahead for March and April:

1. On March 1st, I'll be in Dallas with Life in the Trinity Ministries, finishing my overview of the Bible. Sorry - this one is sold out and there's no more room. BUT - soon the whole set of CD's will be available for your listening pleasure. Stay tuned ...

2. On the 8th, I'll be speaking in Madison Wisconsin …

3. Then on the 9th I'll be in Lancaster, PA.

4. On the 11th I'll be in Washington DC.

5. I'm hoping to be present for the Coalition of Immokalee Workers action in Lakeland, 15 March - still working on details.

6. On the 20th I'll be in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

7. Then on April 4-5, I'll be in Portland, OR, with the Sabeel Conference.

8. April 15-25, I'll be in New Zealand. Here are the details:

Fri 18, "Convermersion" at St John's Theological College, Auckland
Sat 19, "Convermersion" at New Plymouth West Baptist, New Plymouth
Sun 20, TBC
Mon 21, "Convermersion" at Te Ara Hou Village, Hamilton
Wed 23, "Dancing to a New Tune Workshop" (9.30am-3.30pm) and "The Bible, Church & 21st Century (Café discussion 7-9pm)
Thu 24, Boulcott Seminar ("Convermersion") at Wellington Central Baptist, Wellington
Fri 25, Discussion with Wellington Central, Wellington (10am-2pm approx.)

9. Then I'll be in Buffalo, NY, on 29 April.

You can get information on all these events by going here.


Q & R:Depressed and isolated … held hostage

Here's the Q:
I just finished 'A New Kind of Christianity', and I felt myself amen-ing the whole time I was reading the book. I'm a progressive gay Christian getting a ministry degree from a conservative Pentecostal college. I have major differences with their theology, but I feel like I don't have many options. I'm out to my friends and family, but I've been somewhat 'forced' back into the closet to attend this school. It's making me depressed and isolated, and I feel like I'm being held hostage by what I consider bad theology in order to get my degree. Any advice for me?
Here's the R:
I'm glad A New Kind of Christianity has been helpful, and I'm sorry you're in this tough situation. I've learned it's not wise to offer specific pastoral guidance from a distance like this, so here's what I can offer. First, find a pastor or counselor in your area (harder in some places than others, I know) who welcomes gay people … often, these will be UCC or Episcopal, sometimes Presbyterian, DOC, Lutheran, or Methodist. It might take a little detective work and a few phone calls. Second, meet with this pastor and counselor and explain your situation. They'll help you keep your sanity while there and decide if that's the place to stay until graduation. Third, if you do decide to leave, consider meeting in private with a college official and explain why you're leaving. Don't expect their approval … just let them know your story. You're in my prayers today, and I imagine many folks who read this blog will be praying for you too.


Frank Schaeffer on Francis and Edith Schaeffer

This fascinating interview explains (among many other things) why Mike Huckabee and I, for all our differences, would both point to Francis Schaeffer as an important influence in our lives.


Q & R: Four Stages

Here's the Q:

Hello and thank you for your ministry,

A few years ago you gave a presentation at the Festival of Homiletics about 4 approaches
to listening to sermons based on the experience and attitudes of the congregation.

I was wondering if you have that lecture in a book or article ? I have found that
scheme to be helpful in educating our seminarians on their preaching

Here's the R:
That turned into a book - Naked Spirituality. You'll find a summary of the stages in my presentation slides, available here.


Attention, Professors ...

Nicholas Kristof recently wrote about our need for academic activists. How can we bring the best minds to bear on our biggest problems?
His article begins:

SOME of the smartest thinkers on problems at home and around the world are university professors, but most of them just don’t matter in today’s great debates.

The most stinging dismissal of a point is to say: “That’s academic.” In other words, to be a scholar is, often, to be irrelevant.

He describes the problem of

the anti-intellectualism in American life, the kind that led Rick Santorum to scold President Obama as “a snob” for wanting more kids to go to college, or that led congressional Republicans to denounce spending on social science research.

He also notes the problem of academic writing which turns off readers:

“a great, heaping mountain of exquisite knowledge surrounded by a vast moat of dreadful prose.”

Here's to reflective activists and activist academics ...


"You do not belong here. But shame on you for not staying."

In addition to a lot of responses on my Facebook page (which I hope you'll friend and follow), here's a brief sampling of what has come in about a recent critical article and my response to it:

I want to sincerely thank you. My apologies, but I know nothing of you except from reading your blog posted February 21, 2014. I happen to agree with you on about every single issue you detailed, but that is not the point of my note. It may sounds a bit melodramatic, but I am reminded of the guy facing down the tank in Tiananmen Square. I think given a choice, I might choose a tank over the tsunami of evangelical wrath. You provide a glimmer of hope. I am not sure where the future of my personal faith lies. I am convinced that individuals like you will bring more people to approach the Bible and truly understanding the teachings of Jesus. Whether those souls will be bound for heaven is not for me to say, but I believe they will make the world a better place for our children. Thank you again for your reason, compassion and courage.
+++++ I
wanted to share with you a letter that I am sending to Father Kevin Miller regarding his recent CT article. I am thankful for you and for what you do.

Dear Father Miller,

I was wondering if I could share a little bit of my story with you? I want to share how God has used Don Miller, Rob Bell, and Brian McLaren in my story. They don't know me, but their books, their stories, were a blessing to me.

When I read your recent article in Christianity Today, I felt like a line was being drawn in the sand, and I heard: "You do not belong here. But shame on you for not staying." However, when I read Blue Like Jazz, Velvet Elvis, Love Wins, A Generous Orthodoxy, and A New Kind of Christianity, I felt hopeful that there was room for me at Christianity's table. Miller, Bell, and McLaren helped me at a time when I wondered whether a real faith was even possible for me. They helped me know that I wasn't alone in my questions. Maybe my questions were actually good. There is Life in, beyond, and through these questions. Miller, Bell, and McLaren made space for me. These authors pointed toward More.

Christianity is More, so much bigger, than the evangelical Christianity that I grew up with. I loved that evangelical Christianity. I have a feeling that they did too, and that is why they spoke into that arena. Why they continue to speak.

I am thankful that they do.

If Miller, Bell, and McLaren had quietly slipped out the back door without letting others know about what they have seen, I might have been left with an empty faith. A faith stunted by seemingly impossible beliefs. I might still be stuck in the questions, unable to move forward. Maybe I would not have heard that there was More. Maybe I would not have experienced the More-ness and reality of God myself.

My life, my soul, and my faith are being transformed. God is on the move in my life, and it is beautiful. Each of those writers were a part of that process.

Maybe, as your article suggests, we no longer belong in evangelical Christianity. But it is evangelical Christianity's loss to push writers, thinkers, and poets like Miller, Bell, and McLaren out of the fold. Christianity should be and is a spacious place. There is room for the story that God is writing with your life. There is room for the story that God is writing with my life. Even though our stories might look vastly different.

"God travels wonderful paths with human beings; God does not arrange matters to suit our opinions and views, does not follow the path that humans would like to prescribe for God. God's path is free and original beyond all our ability to understand or to prove."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Maybe, instead of pointing fingers at one another, we can make space for one another's stories and marvel at the grace that God shows to each one of us.

With Love and Hope,



An e-course with yours truly for Lent ...

I'm teaming up with Frederic and Mary Ann Brussat for an e-course that will run from March 5 through Easter Sunday. Here's how the course is described at their site:
• a short reading excerpted from one of Brian McLaren's books,
• a suggestion for a way you can "practice that thought" as you go about your day,
• a link to our review of the book where we found the reading,
• a link giving you access to the online Practice Circle where we will be discussing our responses to the readings and experiences with the practices.
• an opportunity to join the Brussats and Brian McLaren for a one-hour teleconference in April (which will be recorded for those who cannot attend live).
The cost is $49 and you can register here.


Readers interested in Social Justice

Readers of my books - especially Everything Must Change - will care about the two issues that are the focus of this grant. A great opportunity!

The Nathan Cummings Foundation Fellowship provides three individuals with $100,000 each to pursue a social or economic justice objective over one year. Candidates for the NCF Fellowship must demonstrate exceptional vision and propose a project that relates to the Foundation’s two focus areas: · Inequality · Climate Change And the methodology for their project must be rooted in at least one of the Foundation’s Approaches: · Arts and Culture · Constituency Building · Disruptive Ideas · Religious Traditions and Contemplative Practices

Preference will be given to projects that address NCF’s DNA commitments.
Fellows' projects will be expected to push NCF beyond its boundaries and open productive new lines of inquiry; ask provocative questions; challenge conventional wisdom; and develop new ideas, approaches, and strategies. For more information, please visit:

Please submit an application by Monday, March 10, 2014.

The Nathan Cummings Foundation (NCF) is rooted in Jewish tradition and committed to democratic values and social justice, including fairness, diversity, and community. We seek to build a socially and economically just society that values nature and protects the ecological balance for future generations; promotes humane health care; and fosters arts and culture that enriches communities.

Background information on the Nathan Cummings Foundation Fellowship:

The Foundation owes its existence and inspiration to Nathan Cummings. Nathan Cummings was born in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada, in 1896. He moved from impoverished beginnings to great success by hard work, entrepreneurial genius, and a willingness to take risks. Mr. Cummings inherited a spirit of sharing and a sense of community from his immigrant parents and transmitted these values to his children and grandchildren, who now contribute their time and energy to the Foundation.


Q & R: What are you reading?

Here's the Q:
What are you reading these days?

Here's the R:
I just finished reading two books that I really enjoyed and believe others will enjoy too.

1. Subversive Meals is a book about the original meaning of the eucharist. It is fascinating, well-researched, and yet accessible. It's an example of what good yet readable religious scholarship looks like. The subject, the eucharist, is tremendously important … and you'll feel so even more strongly after reading this important book. R. Alan Street deserves your attention in this valuable contribution to ecclesiology, biblical scholarship, and practical ministry.

2. Culture Moves (Thomas Rochon) explores how cultures change - through critical communities and movements, through the formation of identity and solidarity. Obviously, for my work, this has been an essential book, joining Greg Leffel's Faith Seeking Action as a primer on social movement theory.

I'm also reading (belatedly) Garrison Keillor's Life Among the Lutherans. A delight. For fans of Prairie Home Companion, I'll just say two words: pontoon boat.


Great stuff

at the Cana Initiative Blog … here.


Q & R: Is that still something you're considering

Here's the Q:

Hi Brian, I met you at the inaugural Wild Goose festival and you talked about an idea for an upcoming book. You said that for years ministers had led their flocks by studying and reading a book that led them through prepared messages and worked through the church calendar. You said that you were considering a new liturgy that young home churches or small gatherings with leaders that felt under-qualified would be able to utilize. Is that still something you're considering?

Here's the R:
Yes. It turned into We Make the Road by Walking and will be available June 2014.

I really think you'll enjoy it … June is just around the corner. We're hoping that lots of folks can read the book in June and then start using it with groups in September (or whenever).



Here's a great job description for worship leaders:

If you're interested in the subject of worship and liturgy, along with Dent Davidson, check out Bryan Sirchio's new book.


Two voices needed in today's noisy world

Fred Burnham and Jen Butler tell an important truth in this piece:
Quotable …

Here are some telling signs of the times: CEOs often earn as much in a single day as their workers make in an entire year. Minimum wage jobs don’t pay enough to keep many hardworking Americas out of poverty. Half of all workers are not allowed to take a sick day without being docked or potentially losing their jobs. Congress is slashing food nutrition programs for struggling families even as corporations are coddled with tax breaks.

These are moral scandals. Faith leaders will continue to speak truth to power. The separation of church and state is meant to protect both religion and democracy. Because our government does not enforce an official religion, America has a diverse religious marketplace. Speaking from deeply held beliefs about the issues that affect us all is a healthy sign of pluralism and strength, not confining moralism. Those who argue that religious leaders should be silent in public debates have not only failed to learn the lessons of the past, they also deprive us of powerful voices that can help forge a more just future.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/13/3619677/fred-burnham-and-jennifer-butler.html#storylink=cpy


Q & R: You, Rob Bell, Don Miller, and Christianity Today

Here's the Q:

Kevin Miller wrote a piece in CT about you, Rob Bell, and Don Miller. It follows other negative articles about you, and them, in CT. Do you think the portrayal was fair, and if not, why not?"

Here's the R:
I read the article a couple times and the first thing that struck me is that Rob, Don, and I function in the article as little more than a convenient apparatus against which to leverage so the author (and CT?) can double down on 3 things:

1. Evangelicals should submit to their pastors, ministers, and elders.
2. Evangelicals should stop trying to interpret the Bible on their own, but should listen to what "the church" says the Bible means (leaving the "Which church, when?" question open).
3. Evangelicals should double down on their rejection of homosexuality and refuse to compromise, even if it means unpopularity, rejection, or persecution by others.

According to the article, I did several things wrong.
1. I flirted with universalism.

Anyone who applies the term universalism to my understanding of things hasn't read me carefully. The situation is actually much "worse" than simply switching from exclusivism to inclusivism or universalism. I think the set of assumptions that divides the world into inclusivists, exclusivists, and universalists is deeply flawed. It's not that I've answered the "who goes to heaven" question differently - it's that I've become convinced (by Scripture and by many great theologians of the church through history) that "who goes to heaven" is not the primary question Jesus (or other biblical writers) came to ask. As I understand it, he and they were asking a very different primary question: "How can God's will be done on earth as in heaven?" That primary question will result in a very different kind of Christianity.

2. I left the pastorate.

Should spending 24 years as a church planter and pastor qualify one as a quitter? Although I did leave the pastorate 8 years ago, I didn't in any way leave the church. I'm a quiet and grateful member of a congregation in the community where I now live. My years as a pastor make me deeply grateful for every sermon, song, prayer, and eucharist that I am privileged to share in when I am at my home congregation. When I'm not at home, I spend my time working with and serving clergy and emerging leaders around the world. So I hope CT readers don't see leaving the pastorate as leaving ministry or the big-C Church!

3. I became convinced that older Evangelicals were wrong on homosexuality.

That's true, but it goes much farther than that. I think significant percentages of older Evangelicals are deeply wrong on a wide range of issues - including homosexuality, our spiritual responsibility for the environment, the reality of evolution and climate change, solidarity with the poor, our role regarding peacemaking and war, equality for women, the reality of white privilege and systemic racism, and the legitimacy of torture, to name a few. So homosexuality is only one of a long list of things that I think older white Evangelicals need to rethink. Thankfully, on most if not all of these issues, younger Evangelicals are moving to a more just and wise understanding than their parents and grandparents, just as their parents and grandparents forsook much of the overt racism and anti-Semitism that were much more common among their parents and grandparents.

The article implies or states that I went wrong in these ways because
1. I was tempted by pride and celebrity, like Icarus "flying too high" in the old fable.

I certainly don't experience my life as having much to do with celebrity. When I travel, write, and speak, I work hard, and when I'm home, I live a quiet, modest life. True, I receive large doses of heart-felt encouragement from readers, but I also receive large doses of hell-fire condemnation (often from nonreaders) and sincere critique. I would think I have lost much more than I gained in terms of readership, popularity, etc., by taking the stands I've taken. I've made my choices for conscience not convenience or celebrity, and the same would be true for Rob and Don. I'm sad the article assumes otherwise.


2. I wanted to be "accepted by the culture" and was unwilling to be persecuted or maligned, favoring applause and popularity like a "false prophet."

Perhaps someday the author will find himself required by conscience to differ with the community in which he was raised, and he will find out that the persecution that hurts the most isn't from "the culture" but from one's own tribe.

3. I interpret the Bible to mean whatever I want it to mean, ignoring the teaching of the church.

Interestingly, the more I learned about the teaching of the church in its many forms across history, the more I saw it included a wide variety of opinions and views over time and in different regions. I saw it as a living tradition that engaged in self-critique and self-correction over time. The more I grappled with biblical interpretation, the more I came to believe it carries with it an intellectual and ethical responsibility - yes, to learn from, to honor, and to respect the tradition, but also to challenge it when necessary. In fact, challenging the tradition is part of the tradition … especially for Protestants, but also for Catholics. As I blogged recently in this regard, I think that some good and needed conversation about the Bible is happening among Evangelicals.

For today's popular speakers who wonder if CT will be writing an article like this about them in ten years, I can only say that life is wonderful when you follow your conscience and aren't afraid. I know Rob and Don would agree. As the Proverb says, "The fear of men brings a snare," and as Jesus said, "The truth will set you free."

Several years ago, a respected older Evangelical theologian confided to me that if he had it to do over again, he wouldn't have let the fear of critique by Evangelical gatekeepers have such control over him. He encouraged me to follow my conscience and not trim my sails for fear of being singled out. I have tried to follow that advice, and am glad I did.

Kevin Miller is right - nobody should make choices based on pride, popularity, fear of persecution, celebrity, or selfish and stupid individualism. But Evangelicals will not be helping themselves if they assume the only reason people like us are critiqued in articles like this is because something is wrong with us. It would be good for Evangelicals, especially in places like CT, to go deeper in thinking about why they tend to lose (or drive away) so many of their promising young leaders.

The good news is that when I am among more open and hospitable Christians (Evangelical and otherwise), I find large numbers of people from a more restrictive Evangelical heritage - like Rob, Don, and myself- who were to some degree or another lost to or driven out of Evangelical circles. They are doing wonderful work in new settings, receiving a warm welcome, enjoying life, and creating space for others.

The article's subhead said, "A decade ago, [Bell, Miller, and McLaren] stood as the leading voices for our evangelical future. We all know what happened since. But do we know why?" I wonder how many people really know - or really want to know - what happened over the last decade, and I wonder how many, even after reading the article, really understand why. Maybe the article will stimulate some curiosity and some second thoughts.

[LATE ADDITION: Someone just told me the article is on the website of Leadership Journal (where I used to be a regular columnist), not CT, but I think the 2 are still related.]


The biblical cat is out of the fundamentalist bag -

Once a conversation about the Bible gets started, it's hard to stop. That was true 500 years ago when the Reformation was brewing, and it's true today.

Steve Chalke released a bold and important article on the subject a few weeks ago, which you can download here:

Yesterday, I read a Huffington Post piece by a brilliant young writer and theologian, Derek Flood, that included this highly quotable observation:

These leaders represent a sea-change in the Evangelical landscape which has long been associated with being anti-gay, anti-women, and anti-science. Chalke, along with these other leaders, represents a growing shift, especially among younger Evangelicals, towards a more affirming, compassionate and thoughtful face of Evangelicalism, and this flows into how Scripture is interpreted and applied. In contrast to the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, Chalke's paper firmly denies the idea of inerrancy and instead calls for a way of interpreting Scripture characterized by debate and questioning,

"We do not believe that the Bible is 'inerrant' or 'infallible' in any popular understanding of these terms. In truth, there is nothing in the biblical texts that is beyond debate and questioning, and healthy churches are ones that create an environment which welcomes just that. The biblical texts are not a 'divine monologue', where the solitary voice of God dictates a flawless and unified declaration of his character and will to their writers."

This morning, I just came across an important piece by Tony Bartlett (another gifted theologian) that also includes an important critique of the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy that has been a landmark for fundamentalist and older Evangelical Christians.

Then a few minutes ago, I read yet another great piece on the Bible, by Brian Zahnd.

I just posted news about a great group of people is coming together in a few months in Nashville to explore new ways of teaching the Bible to kids.

And for the last few months, Rob Bell has been blogging about the Bible raising deeply important questions and offering provocative and needed insights.

So the conversation has begun.

Over in the UK, Christian Today reported on Steve Chalke's article and said the Evangelical Alliance is planning to offer a response. And other responses are showing up online, with zesty dialogue in the comments section.

In the US, a recent Christianity Today article (that used Rob Bell, Don Miller, and me as negative examples) seemed to double down on the conventional view - cautioning people against thinking for themselves about the Bible, urging them to listen to the ministers (and by implication, not people like Bell, Miller, or me) and characterizing any departure from conventional interpretations as prideful, individualistic, selfish, compromising, cowardly, and pandering to popularity.

So, in a sense, the gauntlet has been thrown down. People will make all sorts of public statements as the conversation continues, but the real question is this: in the privacy of people's own hearts, will they (will you, will I?) have the courage to think, rethink, question, and consider the possibility that the conventional view of the Bible is in need of radical rethinking - not to reduce confidence in the Bible, but to discover a wiser, more just, more honest, and more proper confidence?

A good start would be to check out these links and begin to prayerfully open your heart and mind.

(If you want to read something I've written on the subject, try the first several chapters of A New Kind of Christianity.)


Why you should come to Nashville

for ">Faith Forward, May 19-22.


As a Floridian, I'm angry. And disappointed. And ashamed.

Jim Wallis calls for pastors and others to speak out against the Stand Your Ground law … I hope they will.

And the Florida Attorney General, Pamela Jo Bondi, is working to oppose clean-up of Chesapeake Bay (where I used to live). She defends her actions based on small-federal-government ideology and states' rights, which often means letting corporations do what they want, maximizing corporate profit by externalizing costs on the rest of us, not to mention the birds of the air and the fish of the seas (and estuaries).

Standing for peace, reconciliation, justice, and environmental stewardship are deeply held values for me and many of us - flowing from our faith and our vision of a desirable future.


A reader writes: I've never written to an author before -

A reader writes:

I have never been moved to write to an author before. I , personally, have gone through a period of spiritual deconstruction and as I was again experiencing the presence of God in my life, I picked up Naked Spirituality. It resonated strongly with me and I strongly felt I wanted to share it. I attend a rather conservative church and knew this would be a risk.

Since September, I have been leading a study group of 10 ladies. We are just beginning to tap into Harmony. I just wanted to thank you. This book has clarified so many things about my spiritual journey for me. I no longer am ashamed of my doubts and questions. I can now see how this is a vital part of a more vibrant deep life with God.

As we studied, the ladies would say to me, "Let's not rush through this. We need to take our time. There is so much here". Or they would simple say, "Wow!" . You have posed and addressed questions that have been in our hearts for many years. You've given us the courage to look at these things and speak of them with each other.

We have taken huge leaps in becoming what God created us to be, a body that cares, shares, and grows.
Thank you so much.

Thanks for these encouraging words. I'm humbled and grateful for the chance to be in partnership with you.


A book that needs to be written ...

and how you can help, here:


Q & R: Our adult children don't have church in their lives

Here's the Q:

Brian -- thank you for a challengingly thoughtful and inspirational evening [recently], starting with our discussion at the table and then your talk and Q&A after dinner.

A question for when you have a moment -- and perhaps the readers of your blog might be interested as well --

We are blessed with having two children (ages 39 and 35), each with their own children. Both of our kids were high achievers in college and grad school, and now in their careers. But, they and their families do not have a church in their lives.

In view of our discussions last evening, could you recommend one of your books that might start as a platform for family discussion of these issues?

Here's the R:
I think 3 of my books might be especially helpful.

If your adult children are interested in theology, A New Kind of Christianity would be a good place to start. You could even choose a few of the ten questions to talk about.

If they're more interested in politics and social issues, Everything Must Change would be ideal.

And if they'd consider themselves "spiritual but not religious," Naked Spirituality would be a good choice.

I'd love to hear how things go ...


This Week: West Coast

I'd love to see you if you're in the neighborhood!
Monday 17 February - Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Tacoma WA
Tuesday 18 February - The Well at Queen Anne UMC, Seattle WA
Wednesday 19 February - Claremont Theological Seminary, Claremont CA
Thursday 20 February - St. Margaret's Episcopal Church, Palm Desert CA
Saturday 22 February - Guibord Center, Los Angeles CA
You'll find links with additional information here: http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/schedule/current-schedul/


RIP Jamie Coots ...

Snake handling preacher Jamie Coots died from a snakebite at his church today.

Coots' way of reading the Bible suggests why Steve Chalke's recent article is so needed. And his death suggests that discussions of "religious liberty" are more complex than many people realize at first glance.


The Triple Threat: Alan Bean gets it right



Why We Can't Wait: Overcoming the New Jim Crow

… of Mass Incarceration.

A great 6 minute introduction.


Q & R: You have no real firm belief in anything

Here's the Q:

I am a pastor of a fairly conservative assembly. I am open to the fact that I do not know everything but reading through your material it appears you have no real firm belief in anything, that everything is questionable? Can you please confirm what you do believe.

Is Jesus God?
Is Jesus the only way to the Father?

I ask these as it would appear (however as I said I have found nowhere that you believe one way or the other) that you feel all religions lead to God or to Heaven?

I would be grateful for your reply as it will not take long to give a yes or no answer.

Here's the R:
It's good that you're open to the fact that you don't know everything. When you say you've "read through my material," does this mean you've actually read even one of my books with an honest and open mind? If you did, I'm quite certain you would not come away with the idea that I "have no real firm belief in anything," and you would understand that your questions actually make assumptions that I find problematic.

To give a "yes or no" answer would be impossible without entering into deeper dialogue about those assumptions. For example, I don't think Jesus' intent was primarily to lead to heaven, but rather, to lead to God's will being done on earth as in heaven, as the Lord's Prayer makes clear. Perhaps this would prompt you to want to explore my work a little deeper? The book I'd recommend for you would be The Secret Message of Jesus. (The "secret" is not some gnostic mystery, but rather what Jesus refers to in Mark 4:11.)

The best I can do is to say that I believe, with John, that in Jesus the Word was made flesh and dwelled among us, and that if we've seen Jesus - a man of radical nonviolence and true compassion, we've seen the Father. And I'd say that various religions lead to many different goals and ends, their projects being (as John Cobb puts it) "incommensurable." It's simply inaccurate to suggest that all religions even intend to lead to the same goal.

So be assured, I do have firm beliefs. It's just that some of them do not fit within some of your apparent assumptions.


A reader writes: in case I missed something

A reader writes:

I wanted to thank you. I am clergy and have spent most of my life in the church feeling as though I am standing in wrong line. The church way of thinking is one line and I am in a totally different line (talking to someone). Growing up in the Methodist Church, going to a Mennonite seminary, living for almost 20 years in a different country than the USA, having family and friends who are gay and lesbian, Buddhist and bikers, and who all over the political spectrum, it isn’t a surprise to me at all.

You reminded me that there are many standing with me. You have given me much to think about in your books, Naked Spirituality and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road? I am starting on my second read of both books, in case I missed something. Thank you for sharing your stories and your words. I will be plotting some goodness here and there (subversively, of course)

Thank you, too for the grace you showed at a recent conference toward those who are gay and lesbian. I wish my family and friends heard more voices such as yours. I am keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers.


One of the most encouraging signs of social activism in a long time -

Think Occupy Wall Street on prayer - get schooled here:


2014: The Year of the Bible

This is the year that an important conversation will break out from behind closed doors.

This is the year that several Christian leaders are speaking out about our need for a new way of understanding, approaching, and employing Scripture.

Today, Steve Chalke's important new article on the Bible went public. You can dowload it here: http://www.oasisuk.org/theologyresources/restoringconfidence
And you can watch Steve introduce it here:

Restoring Confidence in the Bible from Oasis UK on Vimeo.

Next month, Adam Hamilton's "Making Sense of the Bible" comes out.

And in June, my We Make the Road by Walking will be published.

By year's end, there should be some robust dialogue going on about what the Bible is, how it has been abused, and how we should more wisely and faithfully engage with the Bible in the years ahead. Let's all do all we can to bring this important conversation the attention it deserves.


It's not going away

In denomination after denomination, debate continues on equality for gay people. Here's a window into the Seventh Day Adventists' ongoing internal struggle ...

Some will double down on their traditional response. Others are beginning to wonder if there's a better way. There is a better way.


A reader writes: Simple gospel? I don't think so ...

A reader writes:

First, let me say, thank you for your work and writings. While I have read a couple of your works and am working on another currently, I have greatly appreciated having your perspective to re-engage my own jaded perspectives of our contemporary Christian experience.

My question to you – and the subject of this email – is this: Has the Church misrepresented the “simplicity” of the Gospel? By that, let me illustrate from my own profession.

As you can see from my signature, I have my MDiv and served as a hospital chaplain for 11 years in an inner-city, Level 1 trauma center. Halfway through that work, I pursued a JD. I have overseen Clinical Ethics at a large not-for-profit faith-based health care system for nearly six years, now. I face many complex issues of medical practice, technology, legal and regulatory requirements, interpersonal dynamics, communication break-downs and the intersection of competing values systems on a daily basis. Oftentimes, when cases or situations arise, I marvel because – given my familiarity with issues, forms of moral reasoning, provisions with legal codes, understanding of interpersonal dynamics, etc. – I do not perceive the “difficulty” in assessing the situation and addressing it. Quite honestly – and this is either confession or an issue for me to pursue with my counselor – I feel like a bit of a charlatan, at times, because physicians, administrators, staff and others will comment on what an asset I have been in a case and how helpful I was. I – as my wife will readily attest – will say myself, “This isn’t rocket science here. We aren’t trying to get the space shuttle into orbit. This is really pretty basic, isn’t it?” Only recently have I come to accept that, no, it isn’t pretty basic. Especially for people who are so emotionally or relationally “tied up” in an issue, there are powerful subtleties and nuances to these issues that aren’t appreciated until you are so thoroughly familiar with the “material” and have wrestled with many of the difficult questions that you can begin to break the issues down into manageable pieces.

Now, turning to issues of faith, I feel that the Church has given a message to people for hundreds – if not thousands – of years that says, “Here, let us masticate this for you. It’s pretty simple. See? You just consume what we spit into your mouth.” (I am reminded of the image of a baby bird taking nourishment from a parent.)

But, Jesus never told us that it would be that “simple”, did he? In matter of fact, we are told to “count the cost”. We are told that the path is difficult. (Yes, that is in the context of the passage discussing the destruction of Jerusalem if God’s people didn’t turn away from the path of what they thought it meant to be God’s people, but I think it still applies here.) We are called to be Yisra-el; struggling and persevering with God. Never “losing hold”, but struggling with the meaning of all “this”, with its implications, with our nature, with our fellow denizens of this planet and how this calls us to be in relationship to them.

I am struck by Tony Jones’ blog entry about “high school answers”, but I think it is an issue of the Church trying to make “manageable” the complexity and nuanced nature of this faith journey. It isn’t as simple, as all that. It cannot be boiled down to a bumper sticker or pithy saying or praise worship track. While the beginning may be Matthew 22:36-40, that is only the beginning. That is not the “destination”. It is about the journey and, in that, the Gospel is FAR from simple.

Your thoughts?

What people often refer to as "the simple gospel" is an outline - like 4 Spiritual Laws or The Roman Road - that is extracted from the Bible and proclaimed as "the gospel."

On one level, I do think the gospel can be put very simply: God's reign is within reach, God loves everyone, no exceptions … God is with us … God's abundant life is available to all by grace … but as you say, the depths and implications of those simple words can't be fathomed.

I wrote two books to explore the meaning of Jesus and his gospel:
Secret Message of Jesus
Everything Must Change


Q & R: postmodern post evangelical?

Here's the Q:

I am doing my MA in theology right at [a seminary] in Canada. My thesis for it is Christ's kingship from a postmodern perspective. This research has lead me to discover the emerging church movement, and post-evangelical Christianity. For one of my history topics in school, I'm want to study theologians and philosophers greatly impacted by postmodernity, and post-evangelicalism, and your name came up as a prominent individual in both the movements.

I know you are a busy man and have much on your plate but I would greatly appreciate you telling me how you relate to postmodernism and what your post evangelical faith is for you, and means to you?

Here's the R:
I think you should start with my book A New Kind of Christian. Then, to explore what "Christ's kingship" would mean today, I'd recommend Everything Must Change.


Rene Girard

If you've been hearing about Rene Girard's work and want a good introduction … here it is:


A reader writes: Jesus told non-biblical stories … should we?

A reader writes ...

Dear Brian,
...I go on your website regularly and read your books, and listen to your lectures and podcasts. Like so many people have said, your insight and honestly has helped me find peace and direction in the new ways I feel God leading in my life and in my own personal discoveries from scripture. I grew up with Bible study and spend years going over scripture and Bible stories with our children.
I am a preschool teacher and over the past 5 years I set up a preschool in our home for our grandchildren. I studied child development later in life and was disturbed when I found that the philosophies I learned to be important for child development were very difficult to implement in many daycare situations. I started with a home nursery which evolved into a preschool. The kids are advanced for their age and they are responsible for their schedule, helping, and caring for each other. I implement a lot about nature, care of the environment, and Bible stories that I felt taught them the lessons they needed to treat people in the way Jesus taught in the Gospels. Our theme has been to treat others as you want to be treated. I chose Bible stories like the Good Samaritan as I felt I could use it to show how Jesus sometimes taught things that were different, and the love Jesus has for all people.
I have always sought what the children need to hear and have tried to not be led by condemnation for not teaching the things and ways I was taught. I had to clear my mind and ask God how to frame things, but I was often at a loss for what I felt was spiritual material. Recently I found out I have cervical cancer which I pray can be taken care of soon with an operation. I started to ask the Lord for what He wanted to show me through this and oddly enough I felt there was a breakthrough in what I need to share with the children in my care. At the same time I felt like I was supposed to write to you about it. If I could explain why I guess it would be that you are very open to many subjects, and that you have a website where things can be shared.
I think sometimes we get stuck in a rut thinking what we need to teach children is only Bible Stories, but Jesus actually didn’t only tell Old Testament Bible stories as much as he told relevant stories which got across the message to have his Kingdom established on earth. I started to think about children and what they need to hear are stories of examples of people doing what Jesus said to do in a relevant way they can understand pertaining to their lives today. We used to do that a lot with our children with books about people who were heroes in different ways, or who did things that required character or sacrifice or love for others. I started to think that if Jesus was teaching again he would probably use stories just as he did before using present day examples so that we could get the point. Maybe this is common knowledge, but for me it was like a light came on in my thinking and that I had the answer I had been seeking for some time. I wonder if in a way we feel bound to the Bible stories and sort of stuck there and miss the idea of how Jesus used storytelling as a tool to get across the message, which is what I think we can do as well. (I want to mention that I believe children still need to hear stories form the Bible.)

I wanted to thank you for being willing to stick your neck out for so many of us who feel the same way.

First, I know that many will join me in prayers for your cancer diagnosis … you sound like a very brave woman! Second - great point on Jesus' use of short fiction (parables). People who think creatively like you about children's ministry will be gathering in Nashville TN in a couple months for the Faith Forward Conference. I'm very much looking forward to being there. Here's some more information.


Children and Youth Ministry people ...

I'm really looking forward to being part of Faith Forward's 2014 gathering in Nashville, May 19-22 (more info at (faith-forward.net). I get to join an inspiring line-up of speakers and contributors who are working together to inspire and resource innovation in ministry with children and youth--including Phyllis Tickle, Andrew Root, Ivy Beckwith, Dave Csinos, Romal Tune, Mike King, Anne Streaty Wimberly, Bonnie Miller-McLemore, Melvin Bray, and Archbishop Paul-Andre Durocher.

For too long, Christians who are forging new kinds of Christianity have been relying on curricula and approaches for children that promote the same problematic structures that many of us as adults have come to question and move beyond. Faith Forward 2014 is an ideal gathering for leaders and parents who are looking for cutting-edge, holistic, and thoughtful ways to nurture faith in youth and children.

The leaders of Faith Forward are currently accepting proposals for leading breakout sessions at this gathering. If you've got an idea that you want to share, then submit a proposal at faith-forward.net/lead-a-breakout-session/. Submissions are due by February 15 -- and if your breakout proposal is accepted, you'll save $100 on registration.


A reader writes ...

A reader writes...

just had to let you know that i am re-reading A New Kind of Christianity in chorus with The Story We Find Ourselves In. Wow. This is very helpful. It has taken me a few years to get the Greco-Roman narrative out of my head and now the Hebrew narrative seems so normal and beautiful. Reading these two books together however seems to help both sides of my brain to see things clearer. I am mentoring a young guy and we are doing this together. Part of want I am doing is rethinking how we tell the story of the Gospel through the lens of the Hebrew narrative as I have been reconfiguring my faith. This is hard work but it is definitely paying off.

Thanks for these encouraging words. I think you'll especially enjoy my upcoming book, where I try to put together all the work I've been engaged in over recent decades in a fresh overview of the whole Bible.


Home alive

Last week was an incredibly rich week - beginning with a short but meaningful visit to Cedar Ridge for a memorial service, then time in Denver with some new and old friends talking about "theism on a higher level," then with the joyful and energetic APCE in San Jose, then with the beautiful and hospitable Lafayette-Orinda Presbyterian Church. But halfway through the trip I got a nasty flu-like virus. By the grace of God and with the forbearance of my hosts, I was able to fulfill my duties as best as I could, and made it home yesterday. Home is good.


Q & R: colonizing atheism - and brown theism

Here's the Q:
Would you respond to this article on the new atheism?
Here's the R:
First, it's a fascinating article. Thanks for sending it. His thoughts on the desert and its impact on Abrahamic theology (and sexual ethics) are fascinating - something I explored a bit in my Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?

I was also intrigued by his linking of protest marches and religious processions. That gets my imagination going!

And that term "materialistic sterility" - that speaks.

Also quotable:

My qualm, right now, with the political left is that it is so taken over by sexual issues, sexual questions, that we have forgotten the traditional concern of the left was always social class and those at the bottom. And now we’re faced with a pope who is compassionate towards the poor and we want to know his position on abortion. It seems to me that at one point when Pope Francis said, “You know the church has been too preoccupied with those issues, gay marriage and abortion…” at some level the secular left has been too preoccupied with those issues.

I don't think he's saying those issues aren't important, but that if "progressives" don't have a moral vision that addresses other issues as well, especially economic ones, there's a problem.

And this:

I think what hasn’t happened yet in the official language of our political life is that we really don’t know how to speak brown-ly about each other and about ourselves. And Barack Obama is still officially designated our first black president. Well, he’s our first brown president, which is a much more interesting thing to be because it unites these two races, but in some way what we are not able to deal with is the reality that brown is all around us. That kids have been born, Cambodian/Mexican/German kids who don’t look like anyone who has ever lived before. And we’re still in a kind of rhetorical swamp where we’re still using the vocabulary of the 1950s: white and black America.

I'll come back to that quote in a minute …

As for the New Atheism and Postcolonialism … I was just with a group of people who are fluent with "Integral Theory." Drawing from Spiral Dynamics, they use a color-coded framework to describe different kinds of "consciousness" - or ways of looking at the world. Broadly speaking, they are talking about traditionalist/pre-modern, modernist, and postmodernist mindsets.

If the traditionalist mind is naturally theistic, modernist and postmodernist mindsets tend toward agnosticism and atheism, and they look down on pre moderns, a disdain and superiority (a colonizing mind) which Rodriguez is naming. What many of us are seeking is to rediscover theism after modern and postmodern atheism - as philosopher Richard Kearney says, to discover a new theism after atheism. That new theism must not look at the old theism and atheism with disdain, but with understanding and appreciation, knowing that whatever meaning we discover and construct in the future will build upon what has gone before. I don't know Rodriguez work at all apart from this article, but it seems like he is also looking for a more integrating, respectful, and generous theism.

Perhaps what we need, recalling the quote above, is the capacity to go beyond white and black theism and atheism to discover a "brown theism."


What we've been talking about in Boulder this week

Important conversations with wonderful people.


Q & R Storyline of the Bible

Here's the Q:

I'm interested in downloading your MP3s on "The Storyline of the Bible" but can only find US sites that carry them, and can't obtain them from there as I am UK resident.

Are they available in UK anywhere or is there a site that will allow downloads to outside US, or some other way that I can acquire them?

Here's the R from my friends at Life in the Trinity:

If they will call 214-366-3377, they can take his payment info over the phone and will provide him with the download code. We are upgrading our website this week and it should improve the download time considerably for the folks who buy the series.

This call would need to be during business hours, central time, US.
The series can be purchased by folks in North America here.


A reader writes … challenged and angered

A reader writes:

I am reading through your book Generous Orthodoxy and as all good texts should it has challenged me in some places, angered me in others, and given me hope in yet others. If we ever have a chance to sit down over a cup of coffee I would be interested in discussing more about your views of ethnic cleansing in the OT since you argument in the book seems problematic to me. But that is for another time, if the opportunity presents itself.

Something more pressing to me personally is something I just read in your final chapter. I read the familiar words, Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it (paraphrase). I have become very interested lately in exactly what others think that means. I was raised in a fundamentalist, charismatic, pentecostal non-denominational church (the only thing missing were the snakes) and was always taught that verse was related to the penal substitution view of the atonement. The law required blood, so it was taught, and Jesus fulfilled this blood debt in our stead. I cannot accept this view of atonement, and from what I gather you are not sympathetic to it either (please correct me if I am mischaracterizing your views). So, if it does not refer to penal substitution, what does 'fulfilling the law' mean? And how does 'fulfilling the law' free us from being under the law?

I know you are probably very busy, so if your answer is simply in the form of pointing me to an appropriate source, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for writing …
On the biblical genocide issue, my thinking on that subject continued to develop after writing A Generous Orthodoxy. I am much more satisfied with my treatment of the issue of divine violence in A New Kind of Christianity and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? You'll also find a more thorough treatment of the issue of atonement in those two later books. Again, after A Generous Orthodoxy, my thinking continued to develop - becoming, I hope, more generous and no less orthodox (in the best sense of the word).

On "fulfilling the law" - my upcoming book, We Make the Road by Walking, devotes a whole chapter to that issue. I think you'll find it helpful - that chapter was one of my favorite ones to write. But you'll have to wait until June of this year …. which will give you time to delve into the two books I just mentioned. Thanks again for writing.


A young mother writes: a pursuit of something better

A reader writes ...

I wanted to write to say Thank you for writing your book, Why did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed cross the road?. It is so validating for me as a young woman of 31 years, mother of three, and wife living in our multi-faith world. I was raised in a very strict Pentecostal Charismatic Church, and it left it's impression upon me so heavily despite our leaving the church when I was ten years old, because my mother become a threat to the "us".

It has been a long journey away from the church, walking away from Christ, until recently while living in [Asia] under my husband's Marine Corps orders, that a [local] Jehovah's Witness knocked on my door and asked if I wanted to talk about the good news. It was such a blessing to my heart. I had longed to talk about Christ with anyone, but had little faith in the church due to my past. I began studying with her and after some time I began to recognize some of the same dogmatism that I saw in my own religious past and told her I loved Jesus and the Bible, but I had no intention or interest in becoming a Jehovah's witness, nor would I read her Watchtower Magazine. And through many tears of mine and hers, together we felt a connection that allowed us to continue studying the Bible together (what it seemed like was) "in-spite" of our differences. As I reclaimed my faith in Jesus and love for others I felt so conflicted by these religious differences, and angry at how it separated us from one another. I thought, there are huge religious organization in the world, not just Christianity, it would be so arrogant for me to say I am right, they are wrong. I felt that there had to be something better and bigger to understand it all. Something that actually reflects that kind of ideology that the Bible represents and expresses love in the same way that Jesus showed to others.

Anyway, when I saw your book and began reading it, I felt such validation in my pursuit of something better. It has been years since I have been able to trust and/or read any books about religion without feeling that awful feeling you describe in your book about becoming strong and creating more opposition towards others, or watering down what you believe to be more tolerant of others. I am not yet halfway through the book, and I know it will be a journey of heart, soul and mind. Yet, I look forward to reading your book like I am having a wonderful conversation with a thoughtful, caring, intelligent friend, and for that I Thank You! I am so glad you wrote this book. I have already encouraged my mother to read it, as we share much of this journey together.

May God continue to Bless you and may He use me to continue to express His love for all,

Thanks for these encouraging words. Little friendships "in spite of" differences are like like sutures healing the wounds in our world. It's easy to tear and wound. It's beautiful and good to heal.


This week … Boulder, San Jose, and Lafayette

After a brief stopover today in the Baltimore-Washington area to attend the memorial service of a dear friend in the company of many other wonderful friends, I'll be heading West for the next week.

First, in the Boulder, CO, area:
I'll be part of private meetings and then a public panel with Steve McIntosh, Bruce Sanguine, Morgan McKenna, and Ross Hostetter at First Congregational United Church of Christ, 1128 Pine Street, Boulder, CO 80302. (On the corner of Broadway and Pine, downtown Boulder). The event will feature an open-ended discussion followed by questions and comments from the audience. This interactive public event will be held on Tuesday evening, January 28, 2014, from 7– 9 PM. If you live in Colorado’s front range, this should be a fascinating evening.

Then, in San Jose, CA, I'll be with the Association of Presbyterian Christian Educators - an event I've been looking forward to greatly for a long time. Learn more here:

Then I'll be teaching and preaching at Lafayette-Orinda Presbyterian Church next Saturday and Sunday, Feb 1-2, in the Bay Area. More information here:

I don't get out west that often, so hope to see many old and new friends there.


Holiness and glory ...

I came across this quote from Fred Buechner recently:

"One holy place I know is a workshop attached to a barn. There is a wood-burning stove in it made out of an oil drum. There is a workbench, dark and dented, with shallow, crammed drawers behind one of which a cat lives. There is a girlie calendar on the wall, plus various lengths of chain and rope, shovels and rakes of different sizes and shapes, some worn-out jackets and caps on pegs, an electric clock that doesn't keep time. On the workbench are two small plug-in radios, both of which have serious things wrong with them. There are several metal boxes full of wrenches and a bench saw. There are a couple of chairs with rungs missing. There is an old yellow bulldozer with its tracks caked with mud parked against one wall. The place smells mainly of engine oil and smoke — both wood smoke and pipe smoke. The windows are small, and even on bright days what light there is comes through mainly in window-sized patches on the floor.

I have no idea why this place is holy, but you can tell it is the moment you set foot in it if you have an eye for that kind of thing. For reasons known only to God, it is one of the places God uses for sending God's love to the world through."

- Frederick Buechner - Originally published in Wishful Thinking and later in Beyond Word


It reminded me of a song I wrote years ago, that I think I appreciate now more than ever.

There's a farm that I know … as I child I would go and run in the fields below. Near a stream, on a hill, there's an old windmill. In the afternoon sun it would glow with the glory of God, the glory of God, the glory of God shining through. And I pray for you that you'll see it to, for this life is a search for the glory of God. The whole world is full of the glory of God.

There are people I've met, some I'll never forget, full of laughter, some young and some old.
Sometimes on a face, a mysterious grace seems to smile out and shine through like gold.
It's the glory of God, it's the glory of God, it's the glory of God shining through.
And I pray for you that you'll see it to, for this life is a search for the glory of God.
This world is aglow with the glory of God.

Light through a window, wind in the grass, a fish in the current, birds as they pass,
A dancer, a gesture, a joke, or a kiss … the glory shines through simple things such as this.

There are moments that come like a gift from someone who loves you but you hardly know.
They bring a tear to the cheek, and a catch when you speak, and the meaning you seek seems to flow
With the glory of God, the glory of God, the glory of God shining through.
And I pray for you that you’ll see it too, for this life is a search for the glory of God.
The world is on fire with the glory of God.



A few years ago, I wrote a book called Naked Spirituality. Although it's not the best-selling of my books, I think it's the most highly rated.

It gives 12 simple words organized in four seasons or stages to help people develop a strong spiritual life dedicated to life-long spiritual growth.

It's been thrilling to see how different groups and whole churches have used the book. For example, Mars Hill in Grand Rapids has been using the book as a background for its Sunday sermons this year. Recently, they focused on the simple word "Help!" People wrote prayers asking for help that were hung from the ceiling….

Meanwhile, my friend Suzanne Jackson took the 12 simple words and integrated them with simple moves from yoga, tai chi, and chi gong. We collaborated on a set of videos that will help you practice these 12 spiritual moves through simple and energizing physical movement. You can learn more here.


Grief and encouragement ...


When I read about your tragic passing from this life (tragic for all of us, of course, but glorious for you), I just couldn’t imagine what it would be like walking into that space today and not seeing you.

Turns out hundreds of others felt the same. We spent the morning wresting with real grief, anger, shock, and also a painful sort of hope and joy. Joy for you, knowing you are now in the presence of the One you loved so deeply and authentically, so openly and demonstratively. But deep grief in not having you be a part of the community you truly helped grow and build. Again , I am the newbie… I didn’t have the privilege of knowing you personally in this life. Turns out that was really my loss.

But you just have to know how deeply you have touched my life, with or without a personal connection. I sat there this morning weeping as I listened to story after story of the life of love, faithfulness, friendship and service you lived. And I am deeply challenged to rethink my own life… my own lack of commitment and service and even real love. Though your life seems cut way too short, you lived it FULLY… and you have left behind such a deep, rich and tangible legacy in this community.

So thank you. Thank you for serving my children. For loving them. Week after week. Craft project after craft project. As a mom, there are few things more meaningful to me than to see someone else truly loving my children. And you loved them. Each and every one of them.

Betsy Mitchell-Henning was my colleague and friend when I served as a pastor at Cedar Ridge Community Church in Burtonsville, MD. With her shock of purple or pink or blue hair, her upbeat attitude, her deep sincerity, and her impulse toward laughter, she served as the church's liturgist/worship coordinator for many years and then as a leader in children's ministry. She died of flu complications Saturday, and the Cedar Ridge family is absorbing and grieving this profound loss together.

A new member of the church wrote the beautiful tribute I quoted at the top of this post, and it struck me that it not only honored Betsy, but could serve as an encouragement to people who serve in various ways in churches everywhere. It's well worth reading for both reasons. Your labor is not in vain. These words from St. Paul come to mind: "Do not be weary in doing good, for we will reap a harvest in due season if we don't give up."


A lot is right with the world ...

Yesterday, millions of people gathered in thousands of churches where preachers preached good sermons, musicians presented good music, people practiced peace, hugs, and handshakes, hearts were warmed and filled with God's love, and kids were treated as important. Sure, there are a lot of problems in the religious world, but it's important to remember how many good things happen week by week in local churches around the world. I know that was the case at my home church yesterday.

Today honors Dr. King who set an example and proclaimed a message that has changed many of our lives. Yes, our nation still harbors deep levels of unacknowledged racism, but today is a good day to be thankful for people like Dr. King who call us to reconciliation and relationships. And today is a good day to rededicate ourselves to joining in that ongoing movement of peace.

Last week, Walmart joined the Fair Food Program, which I'm still so thrilled about, wondering if Publix will be the next to join.

My friend Aaron Niequist (who hails from the same denominational neighborhood I come from) wrote a beautiful post (linking to another great post from Jeff Calliguire) here.

Kudos to CCDA for focusing attention on the crisis of mass incarceration. Learn what they're doing here:
And learn more about mass incarceration here and here.

Friends in the Boulder, CO, area:
I'll be part of a public panel with Steve McIntosh, Bruce Sanguine, Morgan McKenna, and Ross Hostetter at First Congregational United Church of Christ, 1128 Pine Street, Boulder, CO 80302. (On the corner of Broadway and Pine, downtown Boulder). The event will feature an open-ended discussion followed by questions and comments from the audience. This interactive public event will be held on Tuesday evening, January 28, 2014, from 7– 9 PM. If you live in Colorado’s front range, this should be a fascinating evening.

Friends in the San Jose area, I'll be speaking at a great event there next week (learn more here), and the following weekend I'll be in Lafayette, CA.


Congratulations, Walmart!

Walmart gets criticized for a lot of things, but today they deserve major applause for a courageous decision: to join the Fair Food Program launched by the Coalition of Immokalee Workers.

This afternoon, at a ceremony held under a watermelon packing shed on a tomato farm outside of Immokalee (photo above), Walmart and the Coalition of Immokalee Workers signed an historic agreement for the world’s largest retailer to join the CIW’s Fair Food Program, the widely-acclaimed social responsibility program that is bringing real, measurable change to the men and women who harvest tomatoes for Florida’s $650 million tomato industry. As part of the agreement, Walmart will work with the CIW to expand the Fair Food Program beyond Florida and into “other crops beyond tomatoes in its produce supply chain.”

It's an important and encouraging day for all who care about justice. Congratulations to the CIW for their tireless and passionate work, thanks to Walmart for making a big step in the right direction, and a question for the major corporations (like Publix) who are still refusing to join the program … How about now?


On the road this week ...

I just spent a couple excellent days with UCC pastors in Phoenix. What a bright, sincere, warm, and welcoming group! There is so much to be hopeful about when you see church leaders like these …

I'm en route now to Minneapolis where I'll be doing video for Animate. A fun and creative experience.

If you haven't checked out my Facebook page lately, there's been a lot of interesting conversation going on.

It was fun to learn today that my Slideshare.net page is one of their top sites. Nearly all of my presentations are available there.


Alan Bean gets it right

… on negative features of American exceptionalism, regarding incarceration, guns, and health care. Here.


Thank you, Eric Haines ...

Back in 2008, I was joined by my friends Linnea Nilsen Capshaw, Denise Van Eck, Tracy Howe Wispelwey, Eric Haines, and others to plan and present the Everything Must Change tour. We visited eleven cities and helped stir conversations and spur friendships that have continued to grow ever since.


Eric Haines was our sound and tech guy. He was an absolute pleasure to work with. None of us will forget his smile, his dry sense of humor, his cheerful attitude, his ability to fix anything, his extraordinary generosity, his desire to serve, his technical skill, and his ever-pleasant company. (Not to mention his distaste for air travel.) He was beloved by all who knew him, especially those in his local church.


In November, Eric came down to Washington, DC, to do some video work for the Cana Initiative. When I saw him, I knew he wasn't feeling well. He told me about a persistent cough and terrible pain in his hip. A few days later he was diagnosed with cancer, and he passed away a few days ago.

When I'm discouraged or tempted to be cynical about things, I just need to think of Eric. He lived well, loved well, did good work, and blessed the world with many good works. He wasn't "famous" - he avoided the spotlight with the same energy many seek it. But he deserved to be known and appreciated as a good man, a good Christian, a good human being. Which is why I wanted to write these few words in his honor. I love you, Eric, will miss you, and will not stop thanking God for the gift of your friendship in my life.


Q & R: Global challenges?

Here's the Q:

When you spoke [about your book Everything Must Change in Charlotte NC, you referred to 15 challenges from UN University but I have not been able to find them. Where should I look? Thank you for your help.

Here's the R:
You'll find information on the list here:
Here's the list:
1. How can sustainable development be achieved for all while addressing global climate change?

2. How can everyone have sufficient clean water without conflict?

3. How can population growth and resources be brought into balance?

4. How can genuine democracy emerge from authoritarian regimes?

5. How can policymaking be made more sensitive to global long-term perspectives?

6. How can the global convergence of information and communications technologies work for everyone?

7. How can ethical market economies be encouraged to help reduce the gap between rich and poor?

8. How can the threat of new and reemerging diseases and immune micro-organisms be reduced?

9. How can the capacity to decide be improved as the nature of work and institutions change?

10. How can shared values and new security strategies reduce ethnic conflicts, terrorism, and the use of weapons of mass destruction?

11. How can the changing status of women help improve the human condition?

12. How can transnational organized crime networks be stopped from becoming more powerful and sophisticated global enterprises?

13. How can growing energy demands be met safely and efficiently?

14. How can scientific and technological breakthroughs be accelerated to improve the human condition?

15. How can ethical considerations become more routinely incorporated into global decisions?

My additional question - how can people of faith bring the wisdom and other resources from their traditions to bear on these challenges in constructive, collaborative, generative ways? That question, with the others, could add great vibrancy to the "missional" conversation in the Christian community.

See the following post about the Everything Must Change Tour you mentioned ...


If you've never discovered ...

… the rich resources of the Girardian lectionary, here's an invaluable resource. In this reflection, for example, you'll get a link to a beautiful sermon by Paul Nuechterlein, and interpretive resources on John 1:1-18.

"What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people." It's worth calling attention to John's use of the word life here, in light of the more familiar term "eternal life." Here, for example, is an insightful commentary by Brian McLaren, in The Secret Message of Jesus:
Interestingly, John almost never uses the term “kingdom of God” (which is at the heart of Jesus’ message for Matthew, Mark, and Luke). There are two exceptions, both of which occur in this unique conversation [with Nicodemus in John 3]. Instead, John normally translates “kingdom of God” into another phrase that is notoriously hard to render in English. Most commonly, John’s translation of Jesus’ original phrase is rendered “eternal life” in English. Unfortunately, the phrase eternal life is often misinterpreted to mean “life in heaven after you die” — as are kingdom of God and its synonym, kingdom of heaven — so I think we need to find a better rendering.

If “eternal life” doesn’t mean “life after death,” what does it mean? Later in John’s Gospel, Jesus reduces the phrase simply to “life,” or “life to the full.” Near the end of John’s account, Jesus makes a particularly fascinating statement in a prayer, and it is as close as we get to a definition: “This is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom [God has] sent” (John 17:3). So here, “eternal life” means knowing, and knowing means an interactive relationship. In other words, “This is eternal life, to have an interactive relationship with the only true God and with Jesus Christ, his messenger.” Interestingly, that’s what a kingdom is too: an interactive relationship one has with a king, the king’s other subjects, and so on.

The Greek phrase John uses for “eternal life” literally means “life of the ages,” as opposed, I think we could say, to “life as people are living it these days.” So John’s related phrases — eternal life, life to the full, and simply life — give us a unique angle on what Jesus meant by “kingdom of God”: a life that is radically different from the way people are living these days, a life that is full and overflowing, a higher life that is centered in an interactive relationship with God and with Jesus. Let’s render it simply “an extraordinary life to the full centered in a relationship with God.” (pp. 36-37)

McLaren is following recent New Testament scholarship on this rendering -- preeminently N.T. Wright, especially in his books The Resurrection of the Son of God and Surprised by Hope. He offers the translation of "eternal life" in his The Kingdom New Testament, as “the life of the coming age.” His best explanation of translating the Greek phrase zoe aionias is in How God Became King: The Forgotten Story of the Gospels:
“God so loved the world,” reads the famous text in the King James Version of John 3:16, “that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” There we are, think average Christian readers. This is the biblical promise of a timeless heavenly bliss.

But it isn’t. In the many places where the phrase zoe aionios appears in the gospels, and in Paul’s letters for that matter, it refers to one aspect of an ancient Jewish belief about how time was divided up. In this viewpoint, there were two “aions” (we sometimes use the word “eon” in that sense): the “Present age,” ha-olam hazeh in Hebrew, and the “age to come,” ha-olam ha-ba. The “age to come,” many ancient Jews believed, would arrive one day to bring God’s justice, peace, and healing to the world as it groaned and toiled within the “present age.” You can see Paul, for instance, referring to this idea in Galatians 1:4, where he speaks of Jesus giving himself for our sins “to rescue us from the present evil age.” In other words, Jesus has inaugurated, ushered in, the "age to come.” But there is no sense that this “age to come” is “eternal” in the sense of being outside space, time, and matter. Far from it. The ancient Jews were creational monotheists. For them, God’s great future purpose was not to rescue people out of the world, but to rescue the world itself, people included, from its present state of corruption and decay. (pp. 44-45)


I'm honored that Paul considers my work of value to this tremendous project he has been working on for many years now. If you love the Bible already, this resource will give you new levels of appreciation. If you're itchy around the Bible, this resource will help you see the powerful and beautiful currents that run beneath the surface.


Q & R: Which denomination?

Here's the Q:

First off thank you for all your great work. You have deeply impacted me in many ways. I seem to think along very similar lines as far as I can tell from reading your posts, books, articles etc. I would like to pastor a church in the future, but I am in transition at the moment mostly due to the change in perspective over the last couple of years (still love the people). My question is if you were to start as a Pastor today, with all the wisdom and perspective you have accumulated through years of experience, would you choose a certain denomination instead of non-denominational? Do you have any denominations that you would most closely align with?

Here's the R:
This is a tough question. Here are five elements - in random order, because all are essential - I'd consider in choosing a denomination (or nondenominational association):

1. Hand/Mission: Is this denomination more oriented toward maintenance, self-benefit, or the common good of the world? In what ways is this denomination practically expressing its commitment to join God in bringing blessing to the world? Is the denomination more dominated by tradition/the past than by mission/the present and future.

2. Heart/Spirituality: Does this denomination promote personal and communal encounter with God, the neighbor, and the other and enemy, or is it preoccupied with correctness, numbers, politics, and institutional maintenance or aggrandizement?

3. Head/Theology: Does this denomination create space for vibrant theological reflection, imagination, and investigation? Or does it suppress theological curiosity in order to unquestioningly support a predetermined set of conclusions? Does it expect the Spirit to continue to guide us into truth?

4. Backbone/Structure: What kind of support and accountability does this denomination provide to support its staff and members in mission? How nimble and flexible is the structure?

5. Open arms/Ecumenism: Does this denomination wall itself off from other Christian communities, and other faith communities - or does it use its structure as a bridge to facilitate collaborative relationships? And is this denomination interested in welcoming me?

Some denominations might score well on 3 and 5, but not so well on 2 and 4, for example, so every choice would involve weighing strengths and weaknesses. As for going the non-denominational route, I would have to ask these same 5 questions but in slightly different ways. By the way, I still believe that we need creative church planting, so if you feel a gift and calling in that direction, I hope you'll fan that flame, whatever denominational (or non-) path you choose.


A sermon on Habakkuk: Options for Anxiety

I was asked to preach on this passage (obscure to some, well-known to others) at a gathering for preachers in Minneapolis last year. I thought it might be of some encouragement to folks who won't hear a "live" sermon today….

Habakkuk 2:12-20. "What's the Big Story?"

We woke up this morning in a heap of trouble.

First, in case you haven’t heard, there’s a lot of political trouble - a government shutdown, a looming debt default. Then, if the debt default occurs, we are warned that a global economic crisis could follow.

On a deeper level, our political and economic crises are fueled by internal social strife. As the gap widens between a super-rich minority and a struggling majority, frustration grows proportionately. Few doubt there are also racial and sexual dimensions to our social divisions ... as the familiar world of a privileged white patriarchy gives way to a multicultural world where racial and sexual minorities cannot be marginalized. No wonder the fear of the other leads to a fervor to buy more and more guns, as if the more weapons we have the safer we will be.

Meanwhile, behind all this drama, the planet has a fever. The very fuels upon which our civilization depends are pushing us well beyond the green zone into the yellow and red zones of climate instability.

And I haven’t even mentioned weapons of mass destruction. Do you see why I say we’re in a heap of trouble?

People like us who are in a heap of trouble have four common options at our disposal to deal with our anxiety.

First, we can scapegoat somebody. We can find some group of people - Jews, Muslims, gays, Mexicans, the ACLU, China, supporters of Barack Obama or Ted Cruz - and blame them for all our problems. It’s fun, it’s easy, it requires no research or thought ... and it works - at venting our anxiety, that is. Unfortunately, it provides no real help in solving the problems we’re anxious about. In fact, scapegoating ultimately makes both our problems and ourselves worse.

So second, if we lose our taste for scapegoating, we can turn our crises into fundraising opportunities. Radio stations, TV networks, political campaigns, and religious groups are very happy to make a buck off our fear. And in fact, many sectors of the fear-industrial complex will gin up fear, rake in money, and then issue a tax deduction to boot!

Third, if scapegoating and fund-raising don’t satisfy, we can implement some sort of fundamentalist hail Mary ... we can pray more or louder or in tongues even, fast more, go to church or synagogue or mosque more, wear more religious clothing, become more observant of religious holidays, obsess more about the end times, and become more careful to avoid religious taboos, in hopes that God will send in a skyhook to save us at the last minute from the heap of trouble that threatens to crush us under its growing weight.

Fourth, if scapegoating, fundraising, and fundamentalism don’t prevail, we can offer a moral explanation by which we blame ourselves for our trouble. Yes, we can say, we’re in a heap of trouble, but that trouble is evidence of the morality of the universe. We deserve this trouble, so the bad news is actually good news ... it’s proof that God is still on the throne, still ruling the universe, still supervising the affairs of humanity. Even though we are, frankly, screwed in the short term, at least God is still in control in the long term.

That fourth option was the option of many of the prophets, including Habbakuk in today’s passage.

It was late in the 7th Century BC, and Habakkuk’s people were in a major heap of trouble. The Babylonians were rising to power to the East, and these upstart regional superpowers weren’t at all nice neighbors to have. It was only a matter of time until they invaded, conquered, and plundered Habakkuk’s homeland. In the midst of the anxiety, prophets like Habakkuk were doing their job, interpreting signs of times, trying to find or make some meaning in the madness.

Habbakuk could have scapegoated somebody, or turned the crisis into a fundraising opportunity, or engaged in a fundamentalist hail-Mary act of spiritual desperation. But instead, he took the fourth option. He said, “We’re going to be conquered, and it’s our own fault. We have been violent. We have been unjust. We have proven ourselves unworthy of God’s protection. So the Babylonians will prevail.”

If that was all that Habakkuk did, he would be a good respectable prophet. But Habakkuk didn’t stop there, and that’s what makes him so extraordinary.

Habakkuk dares to question the very answer he is proposing. Yes, God might be just in allowing us to be conquered, but how could God use a people who are even worse than us to do it? You can imagine a Texan musing: maybe the evil Dallas Cowboys deserve to lose, but do the even more evil Denver Broncos deserve to be the ones to beat them?

The prophet tries to comfort himself with the idea that eventually, the Babylonians will get theirs too. But that doesn’t solve the problem that his best explanation leaves God’s hands looking something less than sanitary in dealing with the human mess.

You might expect some perceptive journalist or snarky comedian to raise a question like this - the 7th century BCE equivalent of Erin Burnett or John Stewart. But Habbakuk himself argues with God about the situation. He refuses to be satisfied with the best answer he himself can offer.

That’s an interesting role for a preacher, don’t you think? To reject inferior explanations, to offer the best he has, but also to go public with the misgivings he has about his own best answers?

You didn’t hear Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson express any misgivings when they scapegoated liberals and the ACLU after 9-11. You didn’t hear Pat Robertson express any second thoughts when he blamed Haitians for the Haiti earthquake. You didn’t hear a local pastor express discomfort with his explanation for a local tragedy a few years back - which I think involved a conservative God punishing liberal Lutherans for their sins.

But here we have Habakkuk - giving his best interpretation of the signs of the times and openly expressing his frustration with that interpretation.

He doesn’t solve that moral paradox. But he does offer some clear moral guidance for living in it. As a great preacher once said, where you can’t offer certainty, you can still try to offer clarity. So Habakkuk offers this clear moral guidance. In the absence of a completely satisfying explanation for what’s going on, in the absence of a completely satisfying theological interpretation of the signs of the times, he says, “the just shall live by faith.”

Later theological minds like St. Paul and Martin Luther offered their own interpretations of these five words in English (or three words in Hebrew). But I think a good paraphrase of Habakkuk’s message in context would be something like this:

If we keep faith and stay faithful, we will survive. Yes, we’re in a heap of trouble, but if we keep faith and stay faithful, we will survive. Yes, our trouble is in many ways our own fault. But if we keep faith and stay faithful, we will survive. No, I can’t explain why reality is this messy, but if we keep faith and stay faithful, we will survive.

At the end of Habbakuk, he expands this simple moral summons in more poetic terms. If we keep faith and stay faithful, he says, God won’t spare us calamity, but God will give us the agility of a deer or mountain goat on a rocky mountainside so we can survive the rough terrain ahead.

It’s not pleasant, but I think it’s important to imagine what that could mean for us. The government shut down may result in a constitutional crisis. E Pluribus Unum could disintegrate into E Pluribus Duum or Tridium or whatever. The dollar could plummet. The banks and even the currency could fail. The global economy could crash and burn. More terrorist attacks could happen, echoed by more counter-terrorist attacks. Many of our fellow Christians could be possessed by a spirit of Islamophobia and revenge and our world could be torn in a thirty years war of crusade versus jihad. Chemical weapons, even nuclear bombs could fall. We could remain in denial about our unsustainable dirty energy economy, and as a result, global temperatures and sea levels could keep rising. The Gulf Stream could break. Crops could fail. Unprecedented storms and droughts could wreak havoc. Dustbowls could spread and tornado alley could widen into a tornado superhighway and the Oglala aquifer could be sucked dry as a bone. The bad guys could win, and even more scary, the good guys could become bad guys too so there are few discernible good guys left.

It’s not pleasant, but we must face these possibilities in our day just as Habakkuk did in his. But even if the worst happens, if we keep faith and stay faithful, we can trust God to give us agility to navigate the rocky terrain.

By courageously and honestly facing his own dissatisfaction with his own best explanation for the coming Babylonian conquest, Habakkuk is driven down to an even deeper affirmation of faith. Whatever short-term catastrophes may occur, he believes, in the end, in the long term, “the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.” That is a radical, transformative, and comprehensive conviction.

So yes, we are in a heap of trouble. That is a true story. And it is a big story. But there is a bigger story still, more capacious and gracious, deeper and more vast. “The earth will be full of the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea,” that story proclaims, and if that’s true, then trouble itself is in a heap of trouble. Amen.


Q & R: Religious books for young teens?

Here's the Q:

Can you recommend any religious books for young teens?

Here's the R:
This isn't my specialty, but it's something I care about a great deal. I'll post your question on my Facebook page today, and I hope that people will send in recommendations - along with a sentence explaining why they recommend each book they suggest.


A reader writes: YES, that's how I feel! (and quotes Bruce Cockburn)

A reader writes ...

Hello Brian
I'm in the process of reading your sequel - A New Kind of Christian, and The Story We Find Ourselves In - just over last couple of wks finished the first two and can't wait to get to the next/last one !
I've read Naked Spirituality and Why Did Jesus Moses Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road, of recent - never enough hours in a day to read !

I've felt for a while now, even before reading your last book, Why did Jesus,etc, that who are we as Christians to think that our way is the only way to God. How arrogant that feels to me. To me, I feel Jesus is the way I get to The Loving Father, but for others who follow, Moses, Mohammed The Buddha, the beautiful Native American/Canadian Spirituality, that is their way. We can all learn from one another. Your book is refreshing ! I wish everyone would read this.

These books and what you have to say so resonate deep with me, my life and how I understand myself to be a "Christian". I don't even like to use that label of late -
guess a Follower off Jesus and, even, then, I fall short of that @ times. I've felt for a few years now, this change-transformation, this questioning the traditional way of Christianity -
I have many questions doubts about certain things...and have read Rob Bell's books too. They also touch a place deep inside my soul that brings a freedom and refreshment. When I read yours and his books - I think - YES that's how I feel ! YES, it can be different! But where and who can I talk to about this?! Where can I go here in the place I live, Toronto, Ontario Canada

where I can feel free to Worhsip The Loving Creator this way.
It's sometimes a lonely walk of faith and feel, as do you, that things need to change! . I am struggling with that and just feel @ times to not even go to church- I've pulled back and try to Worship God my Creator on my own, or with my sister, and also a friend. There are not many,unfortunately, I can talk to about this. How very troubling and sad. I also believe that church is not a place, a bldg - that the Great I AM is everywhere I am - but sometimes, just sometimes it would be lovely to find a place where I feel spiritually fed - This is my prayer and I would ask if you could pray for me as well.

I will close with a couple of lines from one of my favourite artists, Bruce Cockburn .......

Thank you, from another stumbler who believes love rules, and who will continue to kick @ the darkness til it bleeds daylight.

Brian, Thank you for you

Thanks for your note. I'm a major Bruce Cockburn fan too …
I'm glad you've found the books helpful. I especially think you'll enjoy The Last Word and the Word After That.
I have some friends who are working on a way for people to find churches with a more open spirit … stay tuned! In Toronto, I'm sure you'd find United Churches and some Anglican churches that would welcome you … among others.


Friends in Southwest Florida

I don't do much public speaking in my own area these days - but will be speaking at this gathering on January 25 in Fort Myers. I hope you'll come and say hi!


Ten years ago from 2014 ...

… my book A Generous Orthodoxy came out. Matt Richie recently wrote a thoughtful reflection on the book … Thanks, Matt!

If you'd like to read the book, you'll find ordering info here.


Q & R: Christian Racists

Here's the Q:

You recently were mentioned by Brittney Cooper in an article on the Duck Dynasty controversy.
She wrote:
Ironically enough, the progressive Christians who inspire me the most these days are white. Rachel Held Evans, Jay Bakker, Brian McLaren and theologian Peter Enns are fighting the good fight of faith.

But then she added:
But I won’t let any of them off the hook for their failure to be more forthright in addressing racism. Evans, Bakker and McLaren are great on questions of homophobia, poverty and sexism; but racism, when it is addressed at all, is largely addressed as a problem of individual attitudes rather than systemic disfranchisement.

I wondered whether you thought her assessment of you was fair?

Here's the R:
First, I think her article is deeply important and I'm greatly honored that she is helped by my work. I wouldn't expect Dr. Cooper to keep up with everything I say about race, and so if she does underestimate my sensitivity to systemic issues, I wouldn't hold it against her. I would say that her assessment of me was accurate for the first 40 years of my life. I was taught a very personalistic approach to faith and life, along with a bias to interpret claims of systemic injustice as excuses for personal irresponsibility. It took a long time for me to begin to break through that teaching and bias. It's amazing how hard it is for privileged white heterosexual males to see or understand white male heterosexual privilege.

Although I'm sure I still have a long way to go, I think I've begun to see things a bit more clearly over the last fifteen or twenty years. If folks are interested in what I've been saying on the subject the last several years, they can search this blog for the words "racism" or "race." They could check my Facebook page as well.

These days, I'm more often accused of paying too much attention to systemic injustice and not enough to personal sin … so it's oddly refreshing to feel some push-back in the other direction. I couldn't say it any better than Dr. Cooper does:

… individual prejudices, and the amelioration of them, are bound up with the structures that support them.

That's why I agree with Dr. Cooper that it's important to emphasize institutional structural injustice, disenfranchisement, and racism, without forgetting about personal responsibility. Those structures invisibly, unconsciously "educate" new generations into subtle, unconscious racism … a racism that is increasingly evident in our culture these days. For some recent research on this subject, check out this by Bob Allen:

This by Jonathan Merritt is also helpful.

And for a passionate response to the unconscious racism behind so much hatred of President Obama in our Congress, the media, and the culture at large (very evident where I live in Florida), Frank Schaeffer's recent piece is explosive:
His term "slow motion lynching" captures something I think is very real … and nobody has put it more graphically than Frank.

All that's to say that I think Dr. Cooper's article is deeply important, and I'm grateful for your question pointing it out to me and giving me the chance to point others to it. Especially quotable:

As Evangelicalism goes, racism, homophobia, and sexism go hand in hand. Black evangelicals like to tell themselves that they can reject Christianity’s racist past, while embracing homophobic and sexist ideas about the position of gay people and women, in the world and the church. I have come to say: It just isn’t so.

God is not a racist. I know that despite a Bible that sanctions enslavement and implores slaves to obey and be kind to their masters.

God is not a sexist. I know that despite a Bible that tells me that women are to be quiet in church, that women are not to teach men, that women are to submit.

God is not a homophobe. I know that despite a Bible that declares sex between men to be an abomination.

God is love. That is a truth I learned first and foremost from the Bible. And it holds moral and political weight for me because of the life that Jesus Christ lived, from birth to death and back again.

I love the Church, despite myself. But I won’t love it uncritically. This is what hermeneutic consistency requires. And worshipping alongside white folks who are more moved to stand with a homophobe than to stand against racism gives me great pause.

The Church can no longer afford to be disingenuous about its racism problem. Easy unity is not what we need. Time has run out for an African American Church that continues to tack hard to the right — uncritically imbibing the agenda of the (white) Evangelical Right, without acknowledging that this position, predicated as it is on the belief that Christian = Republican, is fundamentally averse to, and in some ways responsible for, the declining social and political condition of African Americans, gay and straight alike.

Amen, Brittney Cooper!


Q & R: How do I put the pieces back together again?

Here's the Q:

I have read a handful of Brian's books and found they have helped me look at my faith in a new way. They have caused me to disassemble my childhood faith and really look at why I believe what I believe. My question is, after disassembling my faith, which I think has been a good thing, how do I put the pieces back together again? It's as if I've lost the forest for the trees.

Here's the R:
Thanks for this important question. Without a good answer, a lot of folks go from a dysfunctional faith to a disintegrated or disappearing faith.

One of the major discoveries of my life (which shouldn't have taken so long, given that I was an English major and focused my studies on the power of fiction) was this: that we human beings live, not by systems or "world views" or philosophies alone, but by stories. Stories are often treated as accessories or "illustrations" to abstract systems, but the truth is, I believe, that doctrinal systems and world views and philosophies are creative projects that arise within stories … stories which are often so primal and "pre-critical" that they are not even recognized.

Personal therapy often means discovering the unhelpful and unacknowledged stories that are controlling our lives. I think spiritual growth involves something very similar.

That's why "the forest," I think, is a fresh healing and transforming narrative … one that I believe is rooted in the Scriptures, but differs in many ways from the narrative many of us were taught. I first grappled with this need for a fresh narrative in my book The Story We Find Ourselves In. It's the first question addressed in my New Kind of Christianity. I address it again in Why Did Jesus? And it's at the heart of my 2014 release We Make the Road by Walking.

A narrative is like the string on which all the pearls of beliefs, ethical commitments, values, etc., hang … it's the forest in which the trees thrive. So … my prayer for you and for so many of us is that we seek a better, more capacious, more true and liberating narrative to live by.


Merry Christmas, 2013!

Christmas joy from Grace and Brian to you and yours ...


A Christmas song

Several years ago, I wrote this simple song for Christmas to share with friends.


The scarier predictions ...

on climate change. Everything must change.


Last-Minute Christmas gifts ...

My friend Nic Patton produced this eclectic collection of music called Voxi, which you can buy fast via iTunes.

As for my stuff, you might be interested in my short-fiction e-books:
The Girl with the Dove Tattoo
The Word of the Lord to the Democrats
The Word of the Lord to the Republicans
The Word of the Lord to the Evangelicals

And you can find information (from most recent to "vintage") about my other books here.


March 27-30 … TRANSFORM!

Registration is live for the next TransFORM Network gathering, March 27-30, 2014 -- featuring Joerg Rieger, Alexia Salvatierra, Pam Wilhelms, Gareth Higgins, and a lot of great people.

Translating missional into meaningful and relevant language and action for the broader culture is no small task. The Transform team is crafting this special weekend — a conference unlike any other they’ve ever done — to bring together pastors and activists, artists and theologians to work through the challenges we are facing and emerge together with solutions, training and inspiration.

Learn more: http://www.transformnetwork.org/2014

Register online now: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/transforming-missional-transform-network-gathering-tickets-9636453893


An encouraging note about human kindness

This encouraging note reminded me how many people have been hurt by various forms of religiosity, but really are just looking for some authentic expression of humanity, of kindness … of basic human-kindness:

You might not remember me; I was the person serving drinks (including your Fanta) at the reception for the … conference yesterday. You have completely resurrected my faith in the evangelical/"post-evangelical" tradition. I was a die-hard Pentecostal in college and had a falling out with not just the movement but will all people who confess to being "friends" with Jesus. I suggested to our campus minister that our group could help out at a soup kitchen where I volunteered through my Episcopal church and was rebuked with a very strange reading of James. "Religion is about taking care of widows and orphans," said the Pastor, who continued, "God doesn't want religion. He wants faith." For the last decade (including eight years as a Methodist minister) I have harbored a deep resentment against relationship theology, which I considered to be spiritualistic, individualistic, and frankly gnostic. My theology has gone from liberal to existential to post-Liberal to agnostic, but it has been detached from relationship for quite some time. I discovered you in seminary and quickly separated you and a few others (Tony Campolo comes immediately to mind, as well as Eugene Peterson minus The Message) from the insular "evangelical" movement. But I never really understood the theology of incarnational relationship until last night.

Most of the people to whom I served drinks were, frankly, rude. Several said nothing to me except the name of the beverage they wanted. More complained than thanked me -- this was the first time in my life that I have tended bar and I was not always correct about how much ice people wanted or whether they preferred Coke Zero to Diet Coke. You, on the other hand, looked first at my face, then at my name-tag, and then proceeded to ask me about...me. No one ever does that to a bartender, especially when he's drinking soda! You wanted to know my story, my background, my place. You picked out the least important person in the room, not knowing even that I was a minister or a PhD student, because that is exactly what Jesus would have done. You didn't even advertise who you were (I suspected you were Brian McLaren -- the Brian McLaren -- based on what little you said, but you were so humble that I didn't want to presume). I spent hours last night processing this with my girlfriend, who is Jewish (and I sincerely hope will always remain so), trying to figure out whether there is something to the idea that people can be so in touch with Jesus that they exude him.

You spent the first ten-to-fifteen minutes of the reception talking to me about my project, and I got the profound sense that this was not just about the skills you learned as a pastor or through CPE. This was genuine. You only joined the VIPs after I became busy serving other people. I cannot begin to tell you how much you have turned my life upside-down. I have always respected your approach to post-modernity (as I told you, I was part of an Emerging church plant based on your writings), but your personality last night reminded me about everything that led me to relationship theology in the first place.

Sorry for rambling, and sorry for the personal email -- I had to beg, borrow, and steal to get your email address. You made my day yesterday, if not my week and month. Thank you for bringing Jesus with you everywhere you go. I regret missing your talk -- I had to work behind the scenes most of the day -- but I hope to hear you at some time in the future. It was a true honor to meet you.

Deep peace,

A confession: At this reception, most of the people in the room knew each other, but I only knew one person well and one person peripherally. So, had I known a lot of the people there, I might have gotten so caught up in seeing old friends that I might have been no better to the person serving drinks than the other guests were. But I'm glad we connected … and glad that a simple act of kindness can make a difference.

May all of us remember that everyone we meet is a neighbor, and that when we look out on the world through the eyes of Christ, there is no male/female, Jew/Greek, Bond/free, gay/straight, documented/undocumented, bartender/customer, PhD/GED, etc.


Learn how not to be an expeller ...

A worthwhile article on Evangelical colleges ... here.


Religious Hostility

Joan Warren reflects on religious hostility ...
Part One: http://joantwarren.com/2013/10/23/excuse-me-but-um-theyre-killing-people-part-1/
Part Two: http://joantwarren.com/2013/10/28/excuse-me-but-um-theyre-killing-people-part-2/
Part Three: http://joantwarren.com/2013/11/10/part-3-excuse-me-but-um-theyre-killing-people/


What do Chris Seay, David Gushee, Gabriel Salguero, and I have in common?

Find out here.


What could be finer than to be in San Jose, California, in late January?

I'll be speaking to Christian educators in San Jose, CA at the Association of Presbyterian Church Educators Annual Event ConnectED. This is an excellent gathering - a great way to start the new year. Sign up here.


Dear Megyn Kelly ...

More here.


Meanwhile, over at my Facebook page ...

Yesterday I posted a short quote that hit a nerve.

Jesus did not say, "Blessed are the deserving poor," or "Blessed are the legally documented poor."

It's funny how sometimes a few simple words can stimulate more thought (or if not thought, reaction) than many complex ones.


Prayer for enemies

Yesterday a friend shared with me an experience many of us know. Over the last few years, he has been changing in his thinking, his theology, his core values … changing, he feels, for the better. But those changes meant, as he said to me, "When I went home, it wasn't home." When friends and acquaintances become critics and opponents, that hurts. So I shared with him this prayer that has helped me deeply over the years.
It begins …

Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them. Enemies have driven me into your embrace more than friends have. Friends have bound me to earth; enemies have loosed me from earth and have demolished all my aspirations in the world.

More here.


The Advent Calendar you may need right about now ...

Thanks, Tom Willett!


A Christmas Message for those who want to go deeper than wrapping paper

From Sabeel ... If you don't already follow them, I hope you will:

Christmas Message 2013

“In that region there were shepherds living in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night” (Luke2:8).

“…after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem…” (Matthew 2:1).

The fact that the Christmas story mentions only two groups of visitors to the Christ child in Bethlehem, has, I believe, a theological significance. The shepherds in first century Palestine represented one of the lowest social strata in society. Religious tradition of Jesus’ day labeled them as unclean. They were marginalized, poor, and considered as the scum of society; while the wise men represented the well to do, the educated, and the scholars of their day. The theological implication is clear: God’s love for all people was expressed in and through the coming of Jesus Christ. This love welcomed both the shepherds and the wise men. True love does not differentiate between God’s children. In Christ, the evil of discrimination and bigotry is obliterated.

Moreover, the shepherds were presumably Jewish, while the wise men were foreigners. Since the wise men came from “the East,” a number of New Testament scholars have suggested that they came from Arabia. There is a further theological significance here. Both Jews and Arabs came to offer their homage to the Christ child. When we stand before God, not only do our social differences lose their importance, our racial differences are also eradicated. God’s love for all people was being communicated regardless of social and financial status in society and regardless of racial background. Not only do rich and poor, Jew and Gentile stand before God as equals, there are also no political boundaries. All are welcomed and accepted. In other words, when we stand before the holy, our racism and bigotry should melt away and we should become authentically human recognizing the other as a brother and a sister.

One of our most disturbing issues during this Christmas season is the situation of the shepherds and farmers of today, namely, the Bedouins of the Negev who are citizens of Israel. The Israeli government plans to Judaize the Negev by forcibly relocating tens of thousands of Bedouins from their ancestral lands on which most of them have lived for hundreds of years, long before the state of Israel came into being. Israel wants to force them away from their lands and traditional way of life for the benefit of Israeli Jewish citizens. It is essentially a land grab.* Many local and international human rights organizations have condemned Israel’s actions and policies as discriminatory and in violation of international law.

During this Christmas season, Sabeel calls attention to the plight of the Bedouin community of the Negev that numbers between 160 to 200 thousand, and where thousands of them are living in villages that the government of Israel does not recognize. Consequently, Israel deprives them of basic services like education, electricity, running water, and sanitation.

This year’s Christmas message emphasizes the fact that our faith demands of us to champion today’s shepherds and farmers—the Bedouins—and advocate for their rights. The appalling irony is that what the Jewish people longed for over the centuries when they were weak, they are unwilling to give to others now that they have become strong. For hundreds of years, Jews wished and longed for human dignity, equality, and respect for their human rights, but tragically, the Israeli government today is unwilling to grant the same to its own citizens, the Bedouins of the Negev.

Christmas affirms God’s love and concern for all human beings and especially to the most vulnerable, today’s shepherds and farmers, the Bedouin community of the Negev.


On behalf of Sabeel’s board and staff, I extend our best Christmas and New Year wishes to all our friends. I would like to seize this opportunity to thank all those friends who joined us at Sabeel’s 9th international conference in Jerusalem last month when we addressed the theme of the “Bible and the Palestine-Israel conflict.”

Naim Ateek

6 December 2013


Remembering Nelson Mandela

My South African friend John de Laar has written a beautiful liturgy of remembrance for Nelson Mandela, which you can find here. It is exquisite … for personal use, but especially for a group.

We thank you, God of Love and Justice,
that you are forever working within us and among us,
in our hearts and in our world,
to create wholeness and freedom,
compassion and connection,
equity and reconciliation;
And so we pray for your love and justice to fill our world,
as the waters cover the sea.

We pray for bold prophets to speak your truth
wherever our fears and certainties
drown out your wisdom;


A carol for this advent season


Q & R: Multiple Religious Identities?

Here's the Q:

Hope you're doing well! I caught your Q&A this morning on Facebook, about why you continue to identify as a Christian. In it, you make reference to the fact that Christianity is your heritage. This is an issue I've been wrestling with lately, and was hoping if you found a couple extra moments you could offer some encouragement and/or advice. I have no issues continuing to identify with other Christians--in other words, I don't feel the need to shy away from the label because of others. For me, I was raised in a Jesus-following home. But my family is Jewish. I was raised in a small Messianic congregation, worshipping Jesus within a Jewish context. I have distanced myself from the "Messianic Movement" as an adult, because I have issues with the exclusiveness and tribal mentality of many in that movement. While I was obviously raised in a Christian home, Christianity feels more like my background; Jewishness is my heritage. Calling myself a Christian has always been a challenge, because my Jewishness is so important to me. And as I have discovered the Emergent stream of Christianity (a much more "Jewish" expression/ethos of Christianity, in my opinion), I've tapped even more into my Jewish identity. I just...don't know how to reconcile the two. I love being Jewish. I love that inheritance. I also love Jesus. Is there a way you think I can gracefully and authentically combine the two without neglecting my Jewish heritage or affiliating myself with the Messianic movement?

Here's the R:
Thanks for sharing this challenging problem. It's a great example of CRIS (conflicted religious identity syndrome) that I talked about in my book.

I want to begin by further complexifying your problem into three problems.
1. On a personal level, I think you've become comfortable with what my friend Richard Rohr calls "non-dual thinking." For many people (especially those "in the first half of life"), you're either this or that, one or the other, and any mixing is seen as "compromise" or syncretism. But you've experienced the reality that you can in some creative ways be both/and. In Why Did Jesus?, I was focused on the challenge of Christian identity in a multi-faith, post-Holocaust world, and could only briefly mention the challenge of multi-religious identity. One of the best books on the subject that I'm aware of is "Without the Buddha I Could Not Be Christian" by Paul Knitter - which you might enjoy.
2. On a congregational level, of course, that creates problems, especially if you're part of a church where non-dual thinking is rare or forbidden. Interestingly, though, I'm finding more and more churches where multiple religious identity is welcomed. This, by the way, is one of the contributions of the "seeker movement." Churches have gotten comfortable welcoming people who are at various places in their spiritual journey, and they've become more open to the ways the Spirit leads different people differently.
3. On a more public level, you have the challenge of how you identify yourself most authentically and honestly without creating insult, offense, confusion, etc. I think of two Jewish friends who do this particularly well. You can read about them here.

At the end of the day, I think more and more of us find ourselves saying, with Paul, that "by the grace of God I am what I am," and "I become all things to all men" - not as an act of camouflage or subterfuge, but as a true expression of our human solidarity, because "in Christ, we recognize no one according to the flesh" any longer. That's a complex identity - but it is an honest and interesting one!


Two important events ...

We're almost sold out for this Friday-Saturday in Dallas ... I'll be completing a Bible survey with a workshop on the Epistles and Revelation. A great way to end 2013! Sign up here.

Then at the end of January, I'll be speaking to Christian educators in San Jose, CA. This is an excellent gathering - a great way to start the new year. Sign up here.


Excited to share new resources, more coming soon

This year, I've been presenting weekend seminars at Life in the Trinity Ministry in Dallas, TX. We've completed three, and as of next weekend, there will be four, giving an overview, from a fresh perspective, of the whole Bible.

The first three seminars, on the Hebrew Bible, the Gospels, and Acts, are available now. The final installment will be presented December 6-7 and will cover the Epistles and Revelation. (Last I heard there were only a few spaces left, so register ASAP if you're interested in attending "live.")

Also, LTM is re-releasing a popular 48-session podcast series that also gives an overview of the Bible. Sessions 1-8 are available. And my friend and colleague Joe Stabile has a great introduction to the Bible called Scripture 101, available now too.


Now there's an invocation!

Faith, Part 2 (Open Up) from Jimmy Bartz on Vimeo.

It would do my soul good to start every Sunday with this one ...


Begin Advent here ...

... wonderful advent resources ... from mentors and friends Tom and Christine Sine:

Here's the first weekly meditation ...


I wish I was there in Louisville ...

to take in this time with Wendell Berry. Next best to being there - this feature by Bill Moyers. Gosh - two of my favorite public figures in one show!

Quotable: "There are no sacred and un-sacred places. There are only sacred and desecrated places."

Begins at 1:50. If you have time for one poem, skip to 38:30.
Keep watching to see the piece on honeybees as well.


Hell, God, Love, Fear ...

Wisdom from Alan Bean, right here:

If you find this article useful, you'll enjoy one of my books, The Last Word and the Word After That.

Here's a recent Q about The Last Word ...

I loved the first two books of the New Kind of Christian Trilogy. I am a busy man and purchased the audio books. I was wondering if the last book, The Last Word and the Word After That would be available on audio at some point.

I love your writing and ministry. Keep up all that you are doing.

Here's the R:
Unfortunately, Christian Audio has not released the third book. You can find my other books that they've made available here:

If you'd like to encourage them to make the book available, you could send an email here:

I'd be pleased if they responded to customer requests and decide to release it along with the first two books in the trilogy.


Watch this ... and this, this weekend

A chance to view an important documentary on gay Christians (Seventh-Gay Adventists) ... for free until Sunday night here:

The basics are:

To see the film for free, simply go to http://buy.sgamovie.com/buy anytime between Wednesday, Nov. 27th through Sunday night, December 1st and input the coupon code watchfree to redeem your copy. It's DRM-free, so you can sync it to your phone, iPad or other device to share.

The film is available with English, Spanish, Portuguese and French subtitles.

Also, Eliel Cruz hopes you will listen to his heart, here:


Black Friday - YOU NEED THIS!

Ted Schwartz puts everything into perfect focus ...


A Black Friday Q & R: A Bleak Future?

Here's the Q:

I have loved reading about Rene Girard's mimetic theory in your recent book. I think the idea that we are all caught up in systems of intense rivalry and scapegoating is very enlightening and resonates very much with the training I received to become a counsellor.

The more I read about the theory, the more sense it makes. The only thing is, I am starting to feel troubled! Girard seems to predict a bleak future where we will be consumed by our violence. Is God just waiting for us to self destruct? This depresses me!

Other voices seem to suggest our violence has markedly declined in recent times (Stephen Pinker's book 'The Better Angles of Our Nature' for example). Perhaps Girard might argue this is merely the calm before the storm and in fact decreased ways to discharge our violence will ultimately lead to an explosion of it.

Then I look around my small corner of the world and I see abundant examples of good, evil and indifference in myself and others on a daily basis- but the good is definitely there. So I am confused.

I would love to hear your own personal take on this.

Here's the R:
You're right - in Girard's last few works, you can trace a growing sense of impending doom, about which two things need to be said.

1. Anyone who looks at current global crises (as I try to do in Everything Must Change) - and isn't deeply concerned - hasn't really faced the data.

2. Girard's sense of foreboding is intensified by insights from his theory, insights which suggest that humanity must make a choice between seeking to overcome human violence by violence and seeking to overcome human violence by peace. When weapons become increasingly catastrophic and increasingly available, and when religious communities don't seem to offer much in the way of peace-making formation and training, there is ample reason to be concerned.

Here is where faith comes in ... not faith that the problems will magically go away (which is childish faith) - but faith that we will seek to do the right thing with courage and resilience no matter what (which is mature faith). For Girard, doing the right thing meant warning us about the futility of our current path ... and if his "doing the right thing" works, the rest of us will do different things: clarifying, improving, and intensifying our efforts for "Tikkun Olam" AKA the dream or reign or commonwealth of God.

On this "Black Friday," we'll see how effectively our culture subverts Thanksgiving (which is an antidote to greed) with a baptism in greed, as if "to live is to shop and consume." That subversion can easily depress us, even paralyze us ... but if we allow ourselves to be paralyzed and depressed, we in a sense become part of the problem rather than the solution.

People who believe in incarnation and resurrection have resources to face insurmountable, "impossible" odds. Which is why Advent can subvert the subversion of Black Friday ... if we dare to believe.

On a practical level, this is why I've invested a lot this year in supporting emerging initiatives like Mesa and Cana. I hope others will join me in these and other good ventures at this critical time. To borrow the language of Black Friday, our future is "on sale" at the moment. If we don't invest in it now, the cost to save it will be much higher the longer we wait.


Presbyterian. Emergent. Even Canadian!

I was with Presbyterians in Toronto recently, and seminarian Reuben St. Louis passed on this well-written thesis ...


While we're feasting ... some are fasting

Learn more here.
And here.


Thankful for, thankful to

Today I'm thankful for ...
Family. We added two grandchildren to our clan this year. Both births had some extra drama, which makes us especially grateful for Mia and Lukas, who join Averie and Ella as four of the world's most loved grandchildren. It's a great joy for Grace and me to watch each of our adult children grow, mature, and thrive - in their families, their work, and their personal growth. I've also been blessed to have my parents close by and in good health for octogenarians, and Grace and I have a great set of siblings, nephews, nieces, cousins, aunts, uncles, and more. This has been a great year for Grace and me ... she thrived in her real estate work here in SW Florida, and I enjoyed one of the best years of life so far. We both look forward to next year, when I'll travel a bit less and enjoy being home a bit more.

Health. After a couple rough years (related to two tick-borne diseases I contracted in 2010), I've felt great this year. I can't count how many times I've slid my 16' kayak into my Prius (funny to see) and gotten out on the water ... hanging out with dolphins and manatees (and alligators), fishing, birding, getting exercise. Just the other day, Grace and I walked 6 or 7 miles along the beach ... grateful for mobility and health.

Friends. I am blessed to have friends around the world, many of whom I saw in North Carolina in August, in Thailand in October, and in DC in November (at Wild Goose Festival, the Mesa Gathering, and the Cana Initiative). I have five friends with cancer right now, all about my age ... and so I feel the gift of friendship in a special way this Thanksgiving.

Work. I love my work. Yes, travel loses its luster after a while, and layovers at ATL or CLT or DFW can get a bit wearing, but in my travels I get to meet amazing people who care about things that truly matter. And I love to write - even after 14 books - and I'm so grateful for my agent (Kathryn Helmers) and my publishers (Wendy Grisham and Katherine Venn) and all the people I get to work with.

Mission. Many of us reach a point in life where we think, "I am already extravagantly blessed." At that point, we stop seeking more and more of life's good things for ourselves, and instead, we direct our energies more and more toward the well-being of others. We give, we advocate, we work for justice and peace, we seek to spread opportunity, and we discover that (amazing!) Jesus was right when he said, "It is more blessed to give than to receive."

Readers. I began my life as a full-time writer almost eight years ago at the age of fifty. I feel that I have been blessed with the most interesting, loyal, thoughtful, and energetic readers in the world - of my books and my blog, not to mention my Facebook page and Twitter feed. I'm thankful to you, and thankful for you.

Some years ago, I posted this simple song ... it expresses how I feel this year as much as any in my life.


We Make The Road by Walking: Where did the title come from?

I originally heard "We make the road by walking" as a quote from one of my heroes, Brazilian educator/activist Paolo Freire. I later learned that it became the title of a book that was a dialogue between Freire and another seminal educator/activist, Myles Horton, who was an important figure in the Civil Rights Movement in the US. Freire may have derived the quote from the great Spanish poet Antonio Machado:

“Caminante, son tus huellas el camino, y nada más; caminante, no hay camino, se hace camino al andar. Al andar se hace camino, y al volver la vista atrás se ve la senda que nunca se ha de volver a pisar. Caminante, no hay camino, sino estelas en la mar.”

Wanderer, your footsteps are the road, and nothing more; wanderer, there is no road, the road is made by walking. By walking one makes the road, and upon glancing behind one sees the path that never will be trod again. Wanderer, there is no road-- Only wakes upon the sea. ― Antonio Machado, Campos de Castilla

My original working title for the new book wasn't very sexy, although it was descriptive: Catechesis. Since most folks either don't know what catechesis is, or think of it as something pretty boring and negative, it seemed like a good idea to keep searching for a better title.

The chosen title suggests that Christian faith is still "in the making" (as Dr. John Cobb has put it). It continues to grow, evolve, learn, change, emerge, and mature ... in and through us. What we will be as Christians in the 21st century, for better or worse, will surely change what Christian faith will be in the 22nd century and beyond. So, with that in mind, I wanted to introduce people to a vision of the Christian faith and the biblical narrative not as a box, set in stone, and not as a parking lot (where we await the ferry to heaven), but as a road ... that is extended into the future by all of us, walking forward in the Spirit together.


A Thanksgiving Prayer

If you're leading the thanksgiving prayer around your table tomorrow (or any day), here's a prayer you might find helpful:

The response (in bold) can be signaled by a pause or gesture.

Let us give thanks for this meal, saying, We thank you, Living God.
For this breath, for this heartbeat, for the gift of these companions, we thank you, Living God.
For this nourishment and flavor, for soil and sunlight, air and rainfall, for all to whom this food connects us, from field to farm and store to table, we thank you, Living God.
As we share this meal together, may our thirst for peace be strengthened and our hunger for justice deepened, until all are fed, and safe, and well.
We thank you, Living God. Amen.

from We Make the Road by Walking: A Year-Long Quest for Spiritual Formation, Reorientation, and Activation


If you've never tasted Darkwood Brew ...

Here's your chance:
It's not a beer, it's something better.


Q & R: Also on children (and for adults too)

Here's the Q;

I've heard you speak several times this year but at Luther you said in passing ....you can't preach David and Goliath without preaching about David and the Temple....That was interesting to me and think I get what you mean but do you have any resources available that you elaborate on this?

Here's the R:
This statement reflects something I heard biblical scholar and theologian Dr. Tom Boomershine say ... As founder of the Network of Biblical Storytellers, he is concerned that Bible stories be told to further the cause of peace. So - if we tell the story of David slaying Goliath, our hearers could come away with this conclusion: "God gives small individuals and groups the power to kill big, powerful adversaries." That's not the kind of message many of us would want to send.

So Tom notices that later in David's life, when he wants to build a temple to honor God, God says no. Why? Because David is "a man of bloodshed." So the latter story produces ambiguity about the former story. It doesn't allow the image of a violent God who empowers violence to get the last word.

Something similar happens when we tell the story of Elijah and the prophets of Baal. Again, God appears to deal with religious conflict through violence based on that story alone. But then skip ahead to the Gospels, when the disciples ask, "Should we call down fire upon those guys?" - referring to a potentially competing movement. Jesus replies (Luke 9:55), "You do not know what Spirit you are of."

I write about this subject at some length in three of my books:
Everything Must Change
A New Kind of Christianity
Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road

Reading the Bible for peace will also be central to my upcoming book (June 2014), We Make the Road by Walking.
Thanks for asking this important question!


If you work with Children and Youth

If you’re looking for new, cutting-edge, and creative ways of doing ministry with children and youth, then consider joining me and many others at Faith Forward, May 19-22, 2014 in Nashville, TN (www.faith-forward.net).
Last year, Dave Csinos led in organizing an international conference on ministry with young people called Children, Youth, and a New Kind of Christianity. I’m grateful that he’s continuing the important work that began at this conference - under the organization’s new name, Faith Forward. I’ll be at the 2014 gathering, and so will many others who are looking for new ways of sharing the best of Christian faith with kids and teenagers -- people like Ivy Beckwith, Sandy Sasso, Andrew Root, Melvin Bray, Mark Yaconelli, Phyllis Tickle, Bonnie Miller-McLemore, and many others.
The first batch of tickets to this landmark gathering have been released for only $199. When they’re gone, the registration fee will increase -- so get the best deal on tickets at www.faith-forward.net before it’s too late!
And if you want to learn more about Faith Forward, check out the collection of presentations from the 2012 gathering that Dave Csinos and Melvin Bray edited.


An honor and a pleasure

I had the great honor of speaking to the ACMCU conference at Georgetown University on Thursday, and then the great pleasure of attending the banquet to celebrate the Center's 20th anniversary that evening. Congratulations to John Esposito and the whole team at ACMCU. You have so much to celebrate!

Here is the text of the short presentation I gave on The Challenge of Religious Pluralism ...

Continue reading An honor and a pleasure...


In DC today, NY tomorrow, Baltimore Saturday

The Cana Initiative spent yesterday engaged in important work which will continue this morning. I'm thrilled to see what's unfolding, and grateful to be among the people gathered. Later today, I'll be part of an important gathering of Christians and Muslims at Georgetown University. Then Friday I'll be interviewed in a studio in New York for a TV series on the Bible (more details when they're available). Then Saturday, I'll be at a gathering (not open to the public, unfortunately) in Baltimore, connected with the American Academy of Religion meetings. A busy but great week.


Q & R: God in the parables

Here's the Q:

Brian following your reading recommendation I have just finished Michael Hardins The Jesus driven life.
This I think has further guided me along a path of Jesus defining my understanding of scripture. I particularly liked his 'true human' picture of Jesus and his 'Janus faced' criticism of some biblical interpretations . I am very much inclined to think that much of what I have read of mimetic theory related theology makes sense. I am however concerned that some interpretations of Jesus parables seem unreasonable from yourself and others who support mimetic theory related theology. In Jesus parables of the banquet and of the talents the figures of the king and the master which have traditionally been interpreted as God are in a new interpretation being seen as the Roman emporer. To me this interpretation seems unlikely since Jesus seems to on the whole choose God as the main authoritarian figure in his parables. He seems to use parables for teaching aboat our relationship with God, not to describe the political behaviour of the day. My own thoughts are that there may be other reasons for these passages of retributive violence which means they aren't alluding to eternity but the interpretation of the authority figure being the Roman emperor and not God isn't a believable explanation for me. Do you have other explanations for what these parables are getting at?

Here's the R:
First, I'm glad you read Michael Hardin's book. I recommend it so often because I keep hearing from people how much it helps them read the gospels and understand Jesus in a fresh and liberating light.

On the parables, there are problems with certain parables however you interpret them. Like you, I assumed that the authority figure in a parable was ALWAYS a stand-in for God. But then, as an experiment, I tried another hypothesis: when someone is banished or executed in a parable, that might represent Jesus who will soon be banished and executed. It didn't solve all problems, but it did solve many.

When you become sensitive to the socio-economic context for the parables, other problems arise. For example, vineyards were a luxury crop. Poor peasants were often made landless and reduced to day-laborers when rich investors acquired their farms and combined them to make large vineyards. That casts a dark shadow over some of the parables and leads one to look for fresh interpretations.

If Jesus' purpose in the parables was not simply to convey a coded truth, but to make us "think and think again" (i.e. repent), then the fact that we can't reduce them to simple allegories where this ALWAYS means that is a sign that he succeeded in his purpose in composing them.


More for my Catholic readers ... and atheists too

Highly encouraging:


Q & R: When can I purchase it?

Here's the Q:

Hi Brian, I was at Wild Goose and heard you speak of your new bk covering Genesis to Revelation. When can I purchase it? I'm an Episcopal Priest and am looking for a Bible intro book that would be engaging for folks. Leading an emergent church expression

Here's info on We Make the Road by Walking, and it should be available June 2014. If you sign up for my email newsletter, we'll be sure you're kept informed.


Birders and others: More evidence for how connected we are


This report comes from my neighborhood ...
You've gotta love the Red Knot.


Q & R: Who was that author you mentioned?

Here's the Q:

... you mentioned a book you were reading by a French (?) philosopher/theologian that talked about the complicated relationship between collaboration and competition (you are my friend until you are my enemy). At least, this is what I remember…Can you remind me of the name of the author and book?

Here's the R:
I was referring to Rene Girard. It's hard to know what to recommend as a first read, since some find his writing hard to engage with. Since he didn't write a general introduction to or overview of his work, I felt like I was entering a conversation already in progress when I first tried to read him. But I'm glad I stuck with it, as I enjoyed reading his work after the initial hurdle. After a few false starts with some of his other books, I dug in with "Things Hidden" and "I Saw Satan Fall," and then went on to read most of his books (I think I missed 2 or 3).

James Warren has written a helpful popular introduction to Girard's work - "Compassion or Apocalypse." (I thought it was so needed and helpful that I wrote the foreword.) James Alison's "The Joy of Being Wrong" is also a great (more scholarly) overview of Girard, written by a brilliant Catholic priest/theologian who is in many ways Girard's main theological interpreter.

In my book Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?, I give a one chapter overview of Girard in Chapter 13. In 3 pages (108-110), I try to give "the essential Rene Girard" in its most condensed form.

Girard has often been criticized for being somewhat "totalizing" - they say he sounds like almost everything can be explained by his theory. He replied that this is what a scientist does - tries to develop a theory with maximum explanatory power. Mature readers, I think, will be able to take in the deep explanatory power of Girard's theory without becoming reductionistic in applying it.


Q & R: What about page 233?

Here's the Q:

I've been enjoying your latest book, and I was curious about one sentence on page 233:

"After Jesus' death, his disciples continued this same pattern. They extended…"

Why didn't you included "and resurrection" after the words Jesus' death?

I'm totally on board with focusing on Jesus' life, miracles and teachings ( instead of just his death and resurrection ). But it seems odd ( at least different than what I'm used to seeing ) to leave it at "After Jesus' death".
Almost as if he never did rise from the grave…

I realize I could be over analyzing a missing phrase, but is this your way of saying that Jesus' resurrection falls at the bottom of the list of what we should be focusing on?

I would love some clarification on why you left those words out and how much importance you place on Jesus rising from the dead and ascending etc…

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. No - I'm not in any way saying Jesus' resurrection falls at the bottom of the list! The only reason I said, "After Jesus' death" is that I was emphasizing how Jesus' death didn't disrupt the continuity of the movement launched by Jesus. (We wouldn't expect resurrection to disrupt that continuity.) Back in Chapter 19, I talked about Jesus' resurrection a great deal (see pp. 174-175). You may also want to look at page 143 and page 243, note 13.

As you'll recall, my discussion of Christian doctrines in the book focuses on the way Christian doctrines have been used in hostile ways in the past, and how we can employ those doctrines in benevolent ways in the future. Thankfully, the doctrine of the resurrection has not frequently been put to as hostile a use in our history as have other doctrines, which explains why I didn't need to emphasize it as I did some other doctrines. But I do emphasize its positive importance in this regard in Chapter 19.

So in this case, I think you were over-analyzing a missing phrase, but it's valid question and I'm glad you asked it. (Many people tend to assume the worst.) I think you'll enjoy my next book, which tries to give a fresh and coherent overview of Christian faith, and which celebrates the resurrection and its profound beauty, power, and meaning.


Q & R: Calling myself a Christian? Cana Initiative?

Here's the Q:

Just a short question: I have a christian background, but the way I understand the message of Jesus and the Hebrew Bible, makes me to avoid calling myself a christian, mainly for similar reasons as described in the book 'A New Kind of Christianity'. In stead of saying the whole Bible goodbye, I spent almost half my lifetime (36) studying en searching to find an understanding of the message of Jesus that makes more sense to me.

After reading the two latest books of Brian McLaren, I really want to share some of my understandings but it feels to big to do this on my own. So I thought about working with initiatives like CANA. Maybe to start it here in Europe (the Netherlands). But CANA seems to be presented foremost like a christian initiative, instead of an initiative where a lot of christian involvement/inspiration takes place, but in essence transcends a particular religion.

Do you think I have to look further and/or start something on my own, or would you suggest I read the information on the website a little better? ;)

Here's the R:
Thanks for your questions. First, I understand why you would want to distance yourself from the word "Christian" while still wanting to follow Jesus. I talk about this (using the term "Conflicted Religious Identity Syndrome") on my latest book.

I continue to use the word "Christian" for several reasons, including ...

1. To distance myself from my fellow human beings in the Christian religion doesn't seem like a Christ-like thing to do. Jesus drew near to all in solidarity, including those of his own religious heritage from whom he differed in many ways, so I should do so too.
2. I choose to identify as a Christian as a way of expressing solidarity with others, whatever their religion. In other words, I open my heart to all people as a Christian, not apart from Christianity, and not in spite of being a Christian. I would hope that my Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, atheist, and other neighbors could do the same. If one has to leave a religion to express solidarity with others, that's sad and not good for anyone, so I hope to practice a better way.
3. Christianity is my heritage, and I don't want to deny or cover that up. I think of what the Dalai Lama told a Muslim friend of mine who told him he wanted to become a Buddhist. "Why?" the Buddhist teacher asked. "Because Buddhism is the religion of compassion," my friend answered. "Don't become a Buddhist," the Dalai Lama said. "The world needs more Muslims who practice compassion, so be what you are in a more compassionate way."

But I respect the fact that many people feel they cannot in good conscience continue to identify with Christianity, and I know that not everyone will resonate with reasons like these.

It's interesting you mention the CANA initiative. We are having our first meeting this week in Washington, DC. Although Cana will be a US initiative, it is relevant to your concern because we will do our best to embody a Christian ethos and identity that people like you and me will feel more honest and authentic associating with.

There is a need for hundreds of people to organize similar initiatives in their contexts - whether it's the Netherlands or Nigeria, Jamaica or Australia. Fortunately, an international group has formed to encourage this process. It's called "mesa," which is "table" in Spanish. You can learn more here:

We recently gathered in Thailand for our first face to face meeting, which you can learn about (and "like") here:

It too is a Christian initiative, but holds that identity in a "generous" way. I hope you'll look into it, and maybe you'll create a "table" for conversation in Netherlands. I know that many would be interested in joining you.


We Make the Road by Walking

Brian's June 2014 release offers 52+ chapters that give an overview of the biblical story and a fresh introduction or re-orientation to Christian faith. Each chapter is written to be read aloud in ten to twelve minutes, and is accompanied by a set of Scripture readings, reflection/discussion questions, and liturgical resources - so the book can be useful in a variety of ways for classes, small groups, new faith communities, and churches.

You can pre-order the book here:
your local independent bookseller
barnes and noble

Here's the US cover ...

Here's the UK cover ...


For my Catholic readers ...

... and everyone else too: this report on the bishops' gathering in Baltimore deserves a read. Quotable:

The bishops will vote on a statement about pornography, but the decline of living wage jobs, attacks on workers’ rights and growing threats to the environment—all moral issues addressed by traditional Catholic teaching—will not be up for discussion. The bishops will make time to hear a report about their advocacy efforts to oppose same-sex marriage, which an increasing number of Americans and most Catholics now support, but no reports are planned about income inequality or persistent unemployment. If the bishops left their hotel in Baltimore – where nearly 1 in 4 people live in poverty – they could follow Pope Francis’ lead during his visit to a favela in Brazil, where he listened to the stories of real people and challenged government leaders to address systemic injustice and growing inequality. But there are no indications that the bishops will scrap their formal agenda.

Read more: As Catholic Bishops Meet, Culture Wars Trump Poverty | TIME.com http://ideas.time.com/2013/11/07/as-catholic-bishops-meet-culture-wars-trump-poverty/#ixzz2kZ8c98wo


Super-Typhoon Haiyan and Climate Change

You can't prove that this or that storm was caused by climate change. But you can be sure that if human-induced climate change is true - and 97% of scientists agree it is - there will be more storms like Haiyan in the years to come.

To deny climate change is to claim that people can spew pollutants into the air with no consequences. That's like claiming that you can sow without reaping.

We have a moral obligation to care for this beautiful earth, a duty that is intensified by the fact that the poorest people in the world will suffer the most from the effects of a warming world.

I was moved by this short video of a speech by Naderev "Yeb" Sano. I hope you'll take a moment to watch it - and that you'll whisper a silent prayer dedicating yourself more deeply to the cause of caring for our earth - which means changing the way we human beings are harming it.


for Movie Lovers: Cinematic States

My movie-nerd friend Gareth Higgins has written a new book called Cinematic States. It's available today - and you should buy it here:

Gareth will be visiting each of the 50 states by the end of 2015 to lead a workshop/do a gig/present a screening and explore the question of identity in light and shadow, what it means to be 'American' from an outsider's perspective (Gareth is from Northern Ireland), and the implications for life in the world. If you'd like to host Gareth (or learn more about him), you can reach him here.


Calling all Presbyterians ...

I'll be at the Association of Presbyterian Church Educators, January 27-Feb 1, 2014, in San Jose, CA. I hope you'll be part of this event too ... Learn more here:


Q & R: Chuch?

Here's the Q:

It was a breath of fresh air to hear your opinions in this documentary [Hellbound]. Is there a church that you go? I have been in Recovery from alcoholism for 27 years and have found a loving God, but no church. Maybe I don’t need one, but to be with like minded, principle striving people is uplifting.

Here's the R:
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, my wife and I are part of a church here in our little town. After being a pastor for 24 years, I know how much it takes to keep a church healthy and strong over many years, and so we are especially grateful. I hope you can find a church in your area ... I know it's not easy. One of the best ways - ask people whose way of life you respect where they go, and if you can visit with them some time. I think you'll benefit greatly by being with "like-minded, principle-striving people" - and I think they'll benefit from your presence as well. Not only that, but together, you can make a difference in your community and world.


Q & R: What have you been reading lately?

Here's the Q:
I enjoy your books - and wonder what books you've enjoyed lately?

Here's the R:
I've especially enjoyed two works of historical fiction lately, both about Irish saints:
Frederick Buechner's Brendan
Steven Lawhead's Byzantium

I also enjoyed Jason Derr's "The Boston 395" - a hard-to-categorize work that gets inside your head by getting you inside someone else's head.

I read tons of theology.
On a popular level, Greg Boyd's "Benefit of the Doubt" will help a lot of people, especially those from conservative Evangelical backgrounds, to "break the idol of certainty." Greg's writing is always refreshingly honest, but this book goes beyond normal honesty to the level of personal confession at several points.

I loved Nadia Bolz-Weber's "Pastrix," and Peter Edward Matthews "King, Obama, and Me: Dreaming with Audacity."

And I thought Rob Bell's "What We Talk about When We Talk About God" was beautifully done on many levels. He does great work!

On a more theo-nerd level, I've been enjoying "Politics & Apocalypse: Studies in Violence, Mimesis, and Culture," edited by Robert Hamerton-Kelly. It reflects my ongoing appreciation for the work of Rene Girard and his colleagues. It has been useful in preparing for my upcoming class with Life in the Trinity, which will cover the Book of Revelation (among other things).

Apart from theology (strictly speaking), George Lakoff's "Thinking Points" clarified a lot of political issues for me. It's hard to draw a list like this to a close because I read a lot ... and nearly everything I read is worthwhile. It's a great time to be alive as a reader!


There's hope when ...

... courageous women rise up with a shared voice and vision. Check out this introduction to the International Women’s Earth and Climate Initiative Declaration that was launched at the IWECI Summit a few weeks ago:

"We are the mothers and the grandmothers, sisters and daughters, nieces and aunts, who stand together to care for all generations across our professions, affiliations and national identities.

We are teachers and scientists, farmers and fishers, healers and helpers, workers and business peoples, writers and artists, decision-makers and activists, leaders and thinkers. We work in the halls of power, the halls of faith and the halls of our homes.

We are gathering to raise our voices to advocate for an Earth-respecting cultural narrative, one of “restore, respect, replenish” and to replace the narrative of “domination, depletion and destruction” of nature.

We are committed to a transition from a future of peril to a future of promise, to rally the women around the world to join together in action at all levels until the climate crisis is solved."


An Important Book by my friend Mark Braverman

You can read about it here.
And you can buy it here.
Quotable from the interview:

MPS: At times, and I think you acknowledge yourself in the book, it feels like here is a Jew giving Christians a lecture on how to rediscover their own Christian mission and the role model that Jesus set for them in first century Roman occupied Palestine. That must be an interesting position to have found yourself in?

MB: Well, it’s quite wonderful for me because meeting the Palestinian Christians, in particular the people of Sabeel, and the authors of the Kairos Palestine document, has allowed me to discover Jesus of Nazareth and to embrace him as a Jewish reformer. The parallels of our current situation to the first Century I find very compelling. I think it’s an opportunity for the Church, as it seems to have to do in every generation, to discover the core meaning of the gospels, which is to work for social justice, for compassion for the vulnerable and the oppressed.

MPS: And where do you think that takes the Jewish attitude to Jesus?

MB: I think it’s an opportunity for Jews to discover that same Jesus, who, if he were to turn up in Jerusalem today, would speak truth to the power to the Jewish establishment of our times just as he did to the Jewish monarchy and Temple establishment of long ago.

MPS: I'm not sure most Jews are ready to embrace Jesus as a radical Jewish reformer with a message for Judaism today. It's a viewpoint that must leave you isolated from the mainstream Jewish community?

MB: People ask me if I feel lonely or isolated – making the assumption that I am alienated from the Jewish community. My answer is that it is quite the opposite. I feel a part of a broader, larger community now, and it includes people of all faiths and persuasions. So it’s been quite liberating and gratifying for me. I think Jesus would have approved – his message had to do with stepping out of the tribal and into the universal.


It's not too late -

to sign up for my final "Bible Overview" seminar in Dallas, TX, December 6-7. Learn more here.
We'll cover the New Testament from Romans to Revelation. I'm really looking forward to it ... hope you'll join us.


Back from Thailand

I'm back from Thailand, recovering from jet-lag, catching up on mountains of unanswered email, and enjoying being home. The time in Thailand was amazing, thanks to all the participants in the Mesa gathering who worked hard, communicated honestly and from the heart, and deeply connected with one another. Special thanks to Carolyn and Fuzz Kitto and Ash and Angie Barker, whose planning and hosting were a gift to us all. I'll have more to say about the time there in the coming weeks, but here is a statement we put together that summarizes our time together:

The Mesa Story

Over recent years, many of us have felt something stirring in us ...

a thirst for a more authentic, honest, and sustaining spiritual life
a hunger to do justice, to show compassion, to walk humbly with God
a desire to understand and engage with the critical problems of our world
a need for a space to grapple honestly with our questions of theology and practice
a loneliness for a sense of shared identity and belonging.

As Christians, we were searching for companions on a journey

a journey from many of the forms and assumptions that were no longer working for us
a journey toward something new that we had not yet seen.

The journey was often frightening and difficult. Whenever we found someone who shared our questions, desires, and dreams, we gathered around a table for conversation. Through conversation, we became friends on a journey. And from our friendships, we gained the courage to try new things.

Sometimes we met each other online. Sometimes we traveled great distances to be together. Sometimes we formed networks in a city, nation, region, or continent. We would share books, ideas, and websites. We would share our successes and setbacks. As our numbers grew, so did our confidence and so did our dreams. We found that we became better together than we were alone.

Soon, we realized that all around the world, similar tables and networks were forming:

in Africa and Asia
in North, Central, and South America
from Europe to the Middle East to Australia.

So we eventually decided to invite people to gather face to face in one place for the first time in Thailand, in 2013. About fifty of us traveled from around the world. We chose the name Mesa, the Spanish word for table, because it suggested a space of conversation, companionship, and nourishment for life, work, and action.

Our group included pastors, theologians, activists, authors, NGO leaders, and lay people from a variety of professions. We began by spending a few days in a poor rural village, sharing in the hard work and beautiful culture of our hosts. Later, in an urban center, we walked the streets where the sex trade is a major industry. We knew that whatever God was doing among us, it must be rooted in a concern for our neighbors who live in poverty.

Then we gathered at a retreat center for prayer and worship. We reflected on the Scriptures and we began to talk about what we thought we might be able to be and do together, with God’s help. We brought different gifts, weaknesses, and concerns to the table, but we shared ten deep commitments:

1. We believe in Jesus and the good news of the reign, commonwealth, or ecosystem of God, and we seek for God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven by focusing on love - love for God and neighbor, for outsider and enemy.
2. We seek to know, serve, and join the poor in the struggle for justice and freedom ... through advocacy, relationships, and action.
3. We seek to honor, interpret, and apply the Bible in fresh and healing ways, aware of the damaging ways the Bible has been used in the past.
4. We seek to reconnect with the earth, understand the harm human beings are doing to it, and discover more responsible, regenerative ways of life in it.
5. We seek the common good, locally and globally, through churches of many diverse forms, contexts, and traditions, and we imagine fresh ways for churches to form Christlike people and join God in the healing of the world.
5. We build inclusive partnerships across gaps between the powerful and vulnerable - including disparities based on wealth, gender, race and ethnic identity, education, religion, sexuality, age, politics, and physical ability.
6. We engage conflict at all levels of human society with the creative and nonviolent wisdom of peacemaking.
7. We propose new ways of encountering the other in today’s pluralistic world and we collaborate with other religious and secular groups in alliances for the common good.
8. We host safe space for constructive theological conversation, seeking to root our practice in theological reflection and seeking to express our reflection in practical action.
9. We value the arts for their unique role in nurturing, challenging, and transforming our humanity.
10. We emphasize spiritual and relational practices to strengthen our inner life with God and our relationships with one another.

Having affirmed these ten commitments, we prayed for strength and guidance. We prayed that others would join us. We prayed that goals, plans, and resources would be provided as needed. We decided to gather again in four years to see and celebrate what fruit will be born from our little seeds of faith, and to see what new dreams might take shape.

We have many possibilities ahead of us. We also have many unanswered questions and challenges. But we are beginning, and we invite you to join us. If your heart resonates with our story, we invite you to ...

Invite some people to gather around a table. Get to know each other. Share your stories.
Talk about the twelve commitments and if your heart moves you, make them your commitment too.
Identify as a participant in Mesa.
Invite other individuals and networks to connect to the network too.
Make use of the resources on this website.
Let us know you’ve organized a mesa community so we can link to it.
Stay informed, participate, and contribute in any ways you can.
Let us know if we can help you.
Report what God does in and through you so we can celebrate together.

You can learn more here:
And here:
(There are links to lots of great video and photos on the Facebook page.)
Here are some great photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/72398048@N04/


A reader writes: You aren't logical!

A reader writes:

I’m not being critical but when I hear people equate all religions as the same I have to present some facts whether they are unappealing or not. I do know that Islam has no “golden rule”. If you actually read the Koran you would realize that religion isn’t
generic. If you understand logic, which is as real as physics, you would realize that “either all religions are false or only one is true."
It’s like the law of non-contradiction, X cannot equal 2X. I’m after the truth and no I don’t believe in condemning people but we should be discerning about the truth.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

Thanks for your note. Let me offer four brief responses in hopes that they'll be helpful in some way.

First, I get the feeling you haven't read any of my books based on the assumptions you make in this note. Could I recommend you check out my latest, Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?

If you read it, you'll see that I don't equate all religions as the same. In fact, I strongly affirm their differentness (a good word to describe that differentness is "incommensurability"). I explain how one way in which they are the same - the way they build strong identity - is not a good thing, but is a huge problem. (Sorry - you'll have to read the book to see what I mean by that ...)

Second, I believe you are mistaken to say that Islam has no golden rule. I have read the Quran, and several versions of the Golden Rule appear in the Quran. Not only that, but Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, which means that he spoke the truth when he spoke the Golden Rule and the Great Commandment. (Yes, Christians believe he was more than a prophet - but it is still significant that Muslims honor Jesus as one who spoke truth from God.) I just checked Wikipedia to find some examples of the Golden Rule in the Quran:

The Golden Rule is implicitly expressed in some verses of the Qur'an, but is explicitly declared in the sayings of Muhammad. A common transliteration is: Amal ma'a naas kamaa ta hub an nafsik'.
From the Qur'an: the first verse recommends the positive form of the rule, and the subsequent verses condemn not abiding the negative form of the Golden Rule:
“...and you should forgive And overlook: Do you not like God to forgive you? And Allah is The Merciful Forgiving.”
— Qur’an (Surah 24, "The Light," v. 22)
“Woe to those... who, when they have to receive by measure from men, they demand exact full measure, but when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due”
— Qur’an (Surah 83, "The Dealers in Fraud," vv. 1–4)
“...orphans and the needy, give them something and speak kindly to them. And those who are concerned about the welfare of their own children after their death, should have fear of God [Treat other people's Orphans justly] and guide them properly.”
— Qur’an (Surah 4, "The Women," vv. 8-9)
“O you who believe! Spend [benevolently] of the good things that you have earned... and do not even think of spending [in alms] worthless things that you yourselves would be reluctant to accept.”
— Qur’an (Surah 2, "The Calf," v. 267)
“They assign daughters to Allah, Who is above having a child [whether male or female] and to themselves they assign what they desire [which is a male child]; And when the news of the birth of a female child is brought to one of them His face darkens and he hides his inward Grief and anger... They attribute to Allah what they dislike [For themselves] and their tongues assert the lie that the best reward will be theirs! Undoubtedly, the Hell fire shall be their lot and they will be foremost [in entering it].”
— Qur’an (Surah 16, "The Honey Bees," vv. 57-62)
From the hadith, the collected oral and written accounts of Muhammad and his teachings during his lifetime:
A Bedouin came to the prophet, grabbed the stirrup of his camel and said: O the messenger of God! Teach me something to go to heaven with it. Prophet said: “As you would have people do to you, do to them; and what you dislike to be done to you, don't do to them. Now let the stirrup go! [This maxim is enough for you; go and act in accordance with it!]”
—Kitab al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 146
“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”
—An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith 13 (p. 56)[62]
“Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer.”
—Sukhanan-i-Muhammad (Teheran, 1938)[63]
“That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.”[63]
“The most righteous person is the one who consents for other people what he consents for himself, and who dislikes for them what he dislikes for himself.”[63]

Third, you are right that there are some chilling verses in the Quran. But there are equally chilling verses in the Bible. For example, many Christian churches follow the Revised Common Lectionary. Just last Sunday, Psalm 149 was read. Here are the last few verses:

Let his faithful people rejoice in this honor
and sing for joy on their beds.
6 May the praise of God be in their mouths
and a double-edged sword in their hands,
7 to inflict vengeance on the nations
and punishment on the peoples,
8 to bind their kings with fetters,
their nobles with shackles of iron,
9 to carry out the sentence written against them—
this is the glory of all his faithful people.
Praise the Lord.

I don't recommend condemning a whole religion because of some harsh statements in its ancient texts. Ancient texts reflect ancient culture, and if we want our future to be less violent than our past, we have to focus in the "planks" of violence in our own texts, not just the "splinters" of violence in the texts of others. Again, I address this issue in my latest book. (And will address it again in my upcoming book, coming out next June.)

Finally, I appreciate logic as much as the next person. But I find your statement seems to be missing some pieces:

“either all religions are false or only one is true."

I can imagine four options:
1. All religions are completely true.
2. All religions are completely false.
3. One religion is completely true and others are true wherever they agree with it.
4. All religions are partially true and partially false.

I find #1 impossible since different religions contain many contradictions. I find #2 unlikely and incredible. That leaves #3 and #4. A big problem with #3 is that you have to ask, "Whose version of which religion?" For example, if you want to claim Christianity is completely true, you have to ask, "Pope Urban II's version of Catholicism?" or "Benny Hinn's version of Pentecostalism?" or "C. S. Lewis' version of Protestantism?" or "Leo Tolstoy's version of Russian Orthodoxy?" or ... you get the point.

I would be happy to say that God knows what is completely true ... but I would reject any human's claim that they or their religion knows God's mind with perfect accuracy. That's why, as a committed follower of Christ, I advocate
- humility of heart and mind,
- a childlike desire to learn,
- love for neighbor, stranger, outcast, and enemy,
- and a sincere hunger and thirst for justice,
because, as Paul said, "we know in part."

Again - thanks for sharing your thoughts, and I hope these four responses will be of help in some way.


Experiences in Thailand

Mesa - a new global network of emerging Christian leaders - has had its first in-person gathering in Thailand this week. Our time began with two days in a rural village where we shared life with a family there. We slept as they sleep and ate as they eat. (Although each meal was probably like their best holiday meal ... home-cooked dishes, lovingly prepared with local foods from their own fields and gardens.) We also worked as they worked - some of us joining them planting rice, others harvesting chilis, others harvesting corn.

We have been in a large city for the last few days, and last night a group of us walked the streets and beaches where sex tourism is the primary industry. Our group was guided by a young Christian woman who was formerly in that industry. Her story was unforgettable.

Of course, the rural and the urban are closely related. A young woman who does back-breaking work for eight or ten hours in the fields might earn a dollar or two per day, which means maybe twelve cents an hour, or thirty dollars a month. If she comes to the city, she can make a thousand dollars a month or more. Many of us came away seeing that our typical focus on the degradation and immorality of the sex industry - real and horrible as it is - can easily distract us from the degradation and immorality of the global food industry that underpays workers and makes slum life look so attractive. It's impossible to convey in the impact of this in a blog post. Suffice it to say that many of us have had our understandings of the world and how it operates significantly shaken and reshaped.

Those who pray - please pray for us as we discern our next steps and develop a plan for Mesa over the next four years. That discernment and planning work now underway and will continue until we finish our time together Wednesday night.

You can learn more here:



One of the blessings of my life as a "traveling evangelist" is that I meet fascinating people and make new friends around the world. One of them is Giles Parker, a charismatic house-church leader in the UK. Giles, like a lot of Christian leaders, has been grappling with the church's response to LGBT people. He is able to talk about the issue with both openness and respect for those who differ. He is part of the gathering here in Thailand, and graciously gave me permission to share a paper he recently shared with a group of charismatic pastoral leaders. I think you'll be impressed and may want to pass on his good work.



Beautiful piece by Mohammed Ansar

Blessed are the peacemakers...
Mohammed and I became friends when I was on tour with Greenbelt and Hodder & Stoughton for the release of my most recent book, Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? Even a hostile critic of Mohammed's said to him ... "if every Muslim was like you there would be no problem." May more and more of us - Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Democrat, Republican, whatever - set that kind of example with those who consider themselves our enemies!


I leave today for Mesa in Bangkok, Thailand

A small group of innovative Christian leaders from around the world is gathering in Thailand in the coming days. We will spend time living and working among rural farmers, then in silence and prayer, and then in conversation and planning. We come from differing contexts, but we share a common belief that a new Christian ethos is emerging ... and we seek to discern and participate in what the Spirit is bringing to life. You can follow what's happening ...
on Facebook: www.facebook.com/mesafriends
on Twitter: @MesaFriends
And you can learn more about Mesa (and identify as a friend of Mesa) here:


Q & R: Just some vague hope in the distant mysterious future?

Here's the Q:

i have read several of your books, the most recent one being 'a new kind of christianity.' i love your take on how to view the future, but what do you really think about Jesus' returning again? will it happen? or is just some vague hope in the distant mysterious future?

i suppose i am still nursing my scars from fundamentalism, but the real return of Jesus offers me genuine hope. is it just a mirage? a possibility...perhaps, maybe...some distant foggy guess? in your understanding, will this [excrement] ever come to a real end? or do we just pursue the kingdom of goodness forever and that is our 'return of Christ?' seeing my dead family members is no small hope.

perchance i have not read the right book of yours yet? please respond.

Here's the R: Thanks for your question. It's an important one. Bad thinking about "eschatology" has caused horrible damage in the past, is terribly problematic in the present, and could cause even worse trouble in the future.

First, let me push back a bit on some elements of your question. I don't think it's helpful to create two options - "a vague hope in the distant mysterious future" or "it will happen." There's another possibility - it has happened in one sense; it is happening now in another sense, and it will continue happening in the future too. If you've never thought about the possibility that Jesus was right when he said, "This generation shall not pass" - there's a world of information for you to grapple with. Here are just three (of many more) sites that will challenge your thinking in this regard:

Riley O'Brien is doing important rethinking on the subject of "the second coming" and related matters - here: http://livingthequestion.org/coming-of-god/
So is Andrew Perriman - here: http://www.postost.net
As are the people of Presence Ministries, here: http://www.presence.tv

Second, one of the negative consequences of traditional eschatological thought is that it often reduces a beautiful though sin-scarred world into little more than "excrement." It devalues this world as just a station on the train to heaven. It will soon be destroyed and "left behind" while the souls of people who matter evacuate to heaven. That kind of thinking is terribly self-defeating in a world plagued by the kinds of long-term problems our world is plagued by. (The kid who thinks the world will end at midnight tonight is unlikely to spend the evening studying for his big test tomorrow.)

Third, I think it's a mistake to give us only two options: hope in God or despair in humanity. How about expanding your options to: a) hope in God apart from humanity, b) no hope in God or humanity, c) hope in humanity apart from God, d) hope in God at work in and with humanity. Many traditional Christians choose a, many cynical folk choose b, more humanistic folk choose c, and I would recommend we look more seriously at d.

That's why, if you mean "will human evil and injustice come to an end," I think the best answer is not "yes" or "no," but "what are you and I doing about that question in our lives right now?"

My current writing project (We Make the Road by Walking, which will be published in June 2014) attempts to articulate a better eschatology (without using that word) into a fresh reading of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. I think you'll find it helpful ... but it won't fit into the standard binaries of "traditional eschatology" versus "vague hope for distant future." It will present a dynamic hope in every present moment, along with the confidence that ultimately, God wins, which means (as Rob Bell put it so aptly), love wins - and hope wins, and goodness wins.


In Northern Virginia this weekend ...

Friends in the DC area - I'll be at Immanuel Presbyterian Church this weekend. You'll find information here:
I hope to see you there!



A few years ago, I wrote a song which was recorded in a project with my friend Tracy Howe Wispelwey (available here). It was picked up by Canadian singer Steve Bell, another good friend. I was thrilled to hear that the Mennonite Central Committee of Alberta, Canada, introduced the song in Mexico, where it has been translated by Isabel Garnica into Spanish. Here is a beautiful recording of the song, with words below:

With Kindness – Brian McLaren, Spanish Translation – Isabel Garnica Christ has no body here but ours
 No hands no feet here on earth but ours Ours are the eyes through which he looks
 On this world with kindness

Ours are the hands through which he works

Ours are the feet on which he moves

Ours are the voices through which he speaks

To this world with kindness

Chorus: Through our touch, our smile, our listening ear

Embodied in us, Jesus is living here

Let us go now, inspirited
Into this world with kindness

Jesús tus hijos aquí en la tierra
somos tus brazos, tus pies, tus manos
son nuestros ojos por los que ves
a este mundo con amor

Con nuestras manos trabajas tú
son nuestros pies con los que caminas
con nuestras voces le hablas tú
a este mundo con amor

Y al reír, hablar o sólo escuchar
Cristo en nosotros se hace realidad
Inspirados con tu luz
Al mundo damos de tu amor.

While you're at the site, consider buying the CD and supporting MCC in other ways. They do good and beautiful work around the world.


I wish I could be in Jerusalem

... for the Sabeel conference on the Bible and the Palestine-Israel conflict, November 19-25. I have been deeply enriched by Sabeel's work and especially by the writings of Naim Ateek. If I didn't have previous commitments, this is a conference I would want to attend. I hope I can do so in the near future.

You can find the schedule here and printable flyer here.

You'll get a flavor for Sabeel through this video with Desmond Tutu and Naim Ateek:


Here's my review of '12 Years a Slave'

at Sojo.net -
It's really worth seeing.


"How was worship yesterday?"

That Monday-morning question kind of makes me cringe. It might be innocent enough, but it also might express how we see church gatherings these days - a consumer product that we evaluate as we do any other product: "How was the game?" or "How was the movie?" or "How was your vacation to Disney World?"

On a typical Monday morning, it usually means two things: how was the sermon, and/or how was the music?

Bryan Sirchio has written an important and needed book on the subject of worship music called The 6 Marks of Progressive Christian Worship Music.

A recent controversy about a worship song lyric (about which you can read an account here) has drawn needed attention to a rather unhappy status quo: we have some upbeat music with problematic theology, and some downbeat music with not much better theology.

Bryan Sirchio "gets" the key issues, and he has written a book that doesn't throw gasoline on "worship wars" contentiousness, but that does boldly proclaim six characteristics of the worship music we need:
1. Praise, justice, and the Fullness of Human Experience
2. Inclusive Language
3. Progressive Theology
4. An emphasis on both the individual and the community
5. Emotional authenticity
6. Fresh images, ideas, and language

He adds important chapters on issues like musical style, ego, and performance. And he also provides sources for progressive Christian worship music. All in all, this book is a gem, and way more people should know about it. (Hey Worship Leader Magazine - how about offering a review?)

Worship leaders - you may need to read this in secret, since the word "progressive" might be contraband in your congregation. But read it anyway. And pastors, you too. You couldn't ask for a more helpful book on something that we all cherish - albeit for a wide variety of reasons.


Taking the Bible "literally" - input from Augustine

A helpful article here. Quotable:

Augustine sees only trouble in committing Scripture to interpretations that supposedly provide information about the physical structure of the earth or the cosmos. Consider these two examples:

Let no one think that, because the Psalmist says, He established the earth above the uater, we must use this testimony of Holy Scripture against these people who engage in learned discussions about the weight of the elements. They are not bound by the authority of our Bible; and, ignorant of the sense of these words, they will more readily scorn our sacred books than disavow the knowledge they have acquired by unassailable arguments or proved by the evidence of experience. (pp. 47-48)


But someone may ask: ‘Is not Scripture opposed to those who hold that heaven is spherical, when it says, who stretches out heaven like a skin?’ Let it be opposed indeed if their statement is false…. But if they are able to establish their doctrine with proofs that cannot be denied, we must show that this statement of Scripture about the skin is not opposed to the truth of their conclusions. (p. 59)

Augustine shows respect for scientific activity, and does not want to put Scripture in a situation of conflict with it.

One could wish more "biblical literalists" today would share Augustine's temper of mind on these matters. For all the problems that have been associated with his legacy, he was a man who wasn't afraid to give matters a second thought. Including his own earlier writings!


Carole King gets it right ...



The Square Peg Feel

Consider subscribing to this new project by some friends of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_XSZuDZhE&feature=youtu.be


Q & R: Your books in French?

Here's the Q:

My husband and I have benefitted so much from reading your books and we recommend them to many people who are on similar journey of faith. Recently we have been in conversation with some french friends and i would love them to be able to read about your ideas, but they do not speak english.

Could you tell me if any of your books have been translated and if no where I might get hold of them. (and if not why not!!)

Here's the R: One of my books was translated into French, but I don't believe it is still available. If I'm wrong - or if they're others - I hope folks will let me know. As for the "why not" - I guess no publishers have felt it would be profitable among their constituencies. Maybe that will change due to your enthusiasm! Thanks for writing -


Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Peace (Part 2)

See Part 1 here.

If we want to move beyond the vicious cycles of offense and revenge that dominate the status quo - and result in suffering for Christians in the Middle East, American Christians can come together in six ways:

1. We must join together to condemn human rights violations whenever they occur and upon whomever they are inflicted. We must become vocal advocates for the rights of religious minorities - be they Christians, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, or secularists - from Texas to Timbuktu, from Tennessee to Tehran. There can be no double standards.

Here we must be careful to distinguish hateful extremists from peaceable believers. American Christians would be rightly appalled if Muslims were to quote crazy extremist pastors from Florida and Kansas to characterize all Christians as Quran-burning hate-mongers. Israeli Jews would likewise be appalled to be defined by the infamous "kick out all Arabs or make them our slaves" quote from extremist rabbi Meir Kahane. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are equally mortified when horrific statements about killing “first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people” are used to characterize all Muslims. Hateful extremists must be exposed - but never used to create guilt by association.

2. American Christians must stop supporting foreign policies that purchase American security at the expense of the security of others, including fellow Christians in the Middle East who have already suffered so much. And we must face - and publicly admit - the unintended consequences of past policies, over the last decade, and over longer time spans as well. Instead, we need to articulate a creative, positive, progressive, faith-inspired dream for a better world, undergirded by a coherent, constructive foreign policy.

3. We must seek solutions in Israel/Palestine that are Pro-Israeli, Pro-Palestinian, pro-peace, and pro-justice. That will require us to stand strong for Israel’s right to exist in peace and safety while standing equally strongly against the spread of settlements in Palestinian lands, the ongoing occupation, and other actions that dehumanize and oppress Palestinians. To pray for the peace of Jerusalem will also require us to pray for the peace of Palestine and the whole Middle East - a peace that depends upon justice and reconciliation.

4. We must realize that our continued addiction to dirty energy results in dirty foreign policy. The most profitable industry in the history of humanity has great power, and it has found ways to "externalize costs" upon us all. In response, we must become more aware of the true costs of our current energy policy, and we must become advocates of clean, sustainable energy and clean, sustainable foreign policy as well. There is a relationship between filling our gas tanks and what happens to our Christian brothers - and their neighbors - in the Middle East.

5. We must seek to understand religious violence, which will require us to understand violence in general - others’, and our own too. We need to see the close relationship between hate (for them) and love (for us), and between religious identity and hostility (as I explored in my most recent book).

6. We must build relationships - grass-roots, have-a-neighbor-over-to-dinner relationships, with people of other faiths. We must demand that our national and global religious leaders do the same - not only talk about other religions, but talk with their corresponding leaders - not just to solve problems, but also to build friendships, the kind exemplified, for example, by Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama. Through this kind of pre-emptive peacemaking, we must set in motion healing cycles of faith-inspired human-kindness that provide an alternative to vicious cycles of offense/revenge/counter-offense/counter-revenge.

When we do so, along with decrying the hateful actions of extremists, we can celebrate the heroic acts of kindness and solidarity of more “normative” people of faith - like the Egyptian Christians who protected mosques and the Egyptian Muslims who protected churches on many occasions over the last few years.

A colleague who has invested in these kinds of relationships recently sent me two photographs. The first is of an official sign warning Israelis not to venture into Palestinian territory:
The second is of a home-made sign that Israeli women activists placed over the official sign:

These Jewish women have an important message for Christians, a message that echoes the words of a Jewish man who himself lived in deeply conflicted, violent times in which extremists were all-too-ready to shed blood in the name of their God or their nation. We can refuse to be enemies. We can choose healing cycles of hospitality over vicious cycles of hostility. That doesn't mean being silent denial about wrongs, but it doesn't mean responding to hostility with hostility either.

It is indeed inexcusable for Christians to remain silent about the horrific violence being done against Christians around the world. But it is also inexcusable to respond to that violence in ways that only intensify fear, hatred, mistrust, misunderstanding, and revenge. We must speak out in ways that seek higher ground, a new way of holding religious identity and seeking religious reconciliation. We will often fail and fall short in our attempts, but I would rather fail in this venture than succeed in the alternatives. I hope you feel the same way.

The hate and evil of the Al Shabaab terrorists can not be overcome with corresponding hate and evil. Nor will it be overcome with silence and passivity. There is only one force that can overcome it. That power appears weak, but it is the strongest power in the moral universe, if we dare to believe it and practice it. It simultaneously calls us to speak the truth about evil, and to overcome it - with abounding good. May every new outbreak of evil inspire us to greater counter-action for good, following the way of Christ.


Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Peace (Part 1)

The Al-Shabaab terrorists who slaughtered over 60 fellow human beings in Nairobi’s Westgate Mall tried to spare their fellow Muslims through a kind of religious quiz. If you could answer certain religious questions - who was the prophet’s mother, can you recite a verse from the Quran, can you say the Shahada - you were set free. If not, you were murdered.

They were responding to “advice” from the late Osama bin Ladin in a 2010 letter to Al-Shabaab, when he urged them “to minimize the toll to Muslims.” Al-Shabaab leaders explained to the AP, "The Mujahideen carried out a meticulous vetting process at the mall and have taken every possible precaution to separate the Muslims from the Kuffar before carrying out their attack."

Jews, Hindus, Christians, secular people? Obviously, to the terrorists they were “kuffar,” and fell outside the "meticulous vetting process" that could qualify them as human beings with human rights, including the right to life.

Kristen Powers, in a recent Daily Beast article, observes:

Christians in the Middle East and Africa are being slaughtered, tortured, raped, kidnapped, beheaded, and forced to flee the birthplace of Christianity. One would think this horror might be consuming the pulpits and pews of American churches. Not so. The silence has been nearly deafening.

I’ve noticed the same silence. The fact of widespread persecution of Christians - most often by Muslim extremists - deserves two obvious lines of response. The more difficult and important response is appropriate action. But before wise and effective action can be planned and taken, there must be understanding of the problem, which requires us to ask the question why?

The why question itself takes us in two different, but related, directions:

Why is this kind of anti-Christian persecution happening?
And why is the world, and especially the Christian world, so silent about it?

On that latter question, I am sure there are many more reasons, but let me offer six, speaking as a Christian who cares but has not spoken up often enough or effectively enough about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East:

1. Many Christians are too silent on the issue because they don’t want to add their voices to the growing numbers of Islamophobic voices in the Christian community. When their fellow Christians gin up antagonism towards Muslims in general and Islam as a whole by emphasizing violent acts by extremists, thoughtful, peace-loving Christians - rightly and wisely - don’t want to be part of that. But wrongly and unwisely - many simply remain silent. In so doing, they aid and abet extremism in both Christian and Muslim communities. As Powers stated, quoting Bonhoeffer, “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil.”

2. Some Christians are too silent on the issue because they already know that much anti-Christian violence is retaliation against hawkish American foreign policy. They know that this hawkish policy has brought suffering and death to large numbers of innocent Muslim children, women, and men (and Christians and others as well). They know that invasion and occupation, the use of torture, the ongoing Guantanamo situation, drone strikes, and other elements of US foreign policy have been identified with “the Christian West,” and they know that Christians around the world have suffered as a result. Many American Christians are torn because on the one hand, they support this hawkish foreign policy and don’t want to undermine it, and on the other hand, they sincerely lament the unintended consequences it has set in motion. So, they regret how Christians in Muslim-majority countries have become “collateral damage” of American foreign policy but rather than acknowledge this sad fact, many American Christians remain silent denial about it.

3. Many Christians know that a careless bias against Palestinians - many of whom, by the way, are committed Christians - has become a pre-requisite in some circles for being considered “pro-Israel.” Because of their sincere, unqualified, unlimited, and absolute support for Israel, many don’t want to draw attention to the ongoing occupation of Palestine and its discontents, even though the occupation stirs anti-West/anti-Christian fury which results in suffering for Christians across the Middle East. So, without protest, they let the occupation continue while illegal settlements expand day after day, year after year, even though it means endangering Christians in many Muslim-majority countries - not to mention Palestinians ... and really, Israelis, too. On a subconscious, unspoken level, some may have concluded that the suffering of Christians across the Middle East is a price that must be paid to give Israel the support she deserves and needs.This conclusion is seldom spoken aloud.

4. American Christians - myself included - are part of a global oil-based economy, and as such, we are like addicts who depend on repressive Muslim governments for our carbon fix. We pay for cheap gas with the invisible tax of silence and inaction about repressive Muslim regimes. We thus save money, but at great cost to the moral integrity of our souls.

5. Many of us have accepted superficial cliches (“They are evil” or “Their religion is evil”) and avoided the hard, often unsettling work of understanding how religious identity can be turned to violent ends - in any religion: Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, even atheist. In other words, to avoid facing the plank or splinter in “our” eye, we have stopped talking about the plank or splinter in “their” eye too. By smacking the label "evil" on people and groups, we have exempted ourselves from any further thought, any further need to try to understand a complex situation that defies simplistic "good-guy/bad-guy" categories. We have experienced paralysis as a result of this superficial analysis.

6. We don’t know what can be done practically, so we remain silent.

Each of these reasons for silence, I believe, is indefensible. But they begin to help clarify what must be grappled with if we want to take a step beyond expressing outrage to actually doing something constructive for all who suffer due to religious bigotry. (If people would like to add their constructive and civil suggestions, I hope they'll do so over at my Facebook page.)

What might something constructive look like? (Part 2 will explore possibilities.)


The New Evangelical Partnership

is asking the National Association of Evangelicals to take a stand about climate change. They know that
1. Earth is God's beautiful creation and God has entrusted humans with moral responsibility to care for and conserve its beauty, health, and balance.
2. Human waste, haste, greed, ignorance, and foolishness have put our planet in great danger.
3. 97% of scientists agree that we must take action now to change our ways and become responsible stewards of the planet.
Let your voice be heard, here:


Friends around the world ... a gathering in Asia

I'm honored to be part of Mesa - a global table around which a fascinating group of people is gathering. It may just be that a few readers of my blog will feel a nudge to join us in Bangkok later this month - or that others will want to chip in some money to help with expenses for others to be able to attend. Check it out here: http://mesa-friends.org


The New Game

Read it, here.


The New Jim Crow

My friend Becca Stelle is leading a faith-based engagement with our broken criminal management system (it's really hard to call it "criminal justice" the more you know about it). It's called Why We Can't Wait. Here are some links if you'd like to become more informed:
Webinar entitled "Cooperation and Commerce Within Prison Walls"

And here is a link to a live stream colloquium on The Challenge of Offender Re-Entry: A Cooperative Response on Monday, October 14, 2013 from 12:00 p.m. to 1:30 p.m., Eastern.


For every Sunday school teacher ...

Christian educator, and parent: a great piece by Dave Csinos, here.

What if, instead of passing on the faith, we encouraged our children to play with the faith that God has given to them in order to love it into greater vitality? What if we cultivated in young people a spirit of creativity, love, and responsibility with which they can explore and express their faith in ways that are all their own? What if faith became alive in the same way in which the Skin Horse became real in The Velveteen Rabbit—through hours and hours of creative and loving play. Sure, in the end our children's faith could end up looking nothing like we imagined it would—it may be stained and broken. It may have spots that are worn and places where patches cover over tears in the fabric of faith. And sometimes, as the Skin Horse admits, it will even hurt. A child's faith may not be beautiful to anyone except the child who possesses it. But it will be alive and it will be real.

Want to learn more?


Q & R: how can i make shifts as a pastor

Here's the Q:

As a minister in the Church of Scotland ... I have the privilege of preaching every Sunday and providing pastoral care to an entire rural community - I would go as far as saying I am loved and appreciated by most in the congregation and an entire community outside it believers and those that find it hard to accept. We are an exciting rural church - focused on a lot of the things you major on in your books. We are also blending disparate theologies in a creative way as we work at the intersection of peoples Christian values - I would go as far as saying ecumenical in practice and ethos . All good stuff done with good people you will agree -

The question - How do you address the issue as a pastor of making a major theological shift in real time ministry. Easy enough most of the year - for instance Easter presents its problems - how can I really preach orthodox doctrine - Do I really believe the idea that Jesus died as penalty for sin - or as you unpacked in a New Kind of Christian for being subversive and bringing the challenge of the Kingdom of God.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. This year I've spent a lot of time speaking with rural pastors in the US, and I've come to see more than ever how the work of rural pastors is so important - and far more challenging than many people realize.

Your question deserves a far more lengthy and deep reply than is possible here, but let me offer a few brief responses. First, I think many pastors make a mistake when they glibly or quickly attack or critique a widely-held and long-held belief. In so doing, they destabilize and unsettle people and leave them wondering, "How far will this go? Will anything be left to believe?" They expect "outsiders" to attack their beliefs, and when a pastor does it, they think, "Oh no, she/he's an enemy!" They feel betrayed.

That's why I recommend ... if you're a pastor ... you spend far more time positively proclaiming a positive alternative than attacking the problematic understanding or belief. When it's time for critique, make it gentle, careful, and give people plenty of "outs" - time to grapple with the issue in private. Think of Jesus speaking in parables ... using indirect rather than direct communication, so people can rethink and rediscover on their own.

That's especially important relating to the meaning of Jesus' death. Like many, it's clear you're rethinking some traditional atonement theory. Most people don't have the theological background you do, so atonement theory for them - even though they've never actually heard the term "atonement theory" - is foundational to everything. That's why, rather than critique traditional atonement theory in a sermon, I might instead explain how the word "for" in "Jesus died for our sins" could - positively - mean "to cure" or "as a consequence," as in the sentences "I took an aspirin for my headache" or "I got a ticket for speeding." (I explore this in some detail in my most recent book.) I'd emphasize the positive alternative for a long time before critiquing a traditional view. In fact, critiquing may become unnecessary.

Second, I'd remember that believing is a social act. When people change their beliefs, there are social consequences. Relatives, even parents and children, disown one another because of changed beliefs. So realize that if people change a belief, they will likely pay a high price for doing so in some of their social circles. Another reason to be gentle.

Finally, I'd encourage you to focus on the big story. As I explained in A New Kind of Christianity, unless we deal with the "big story" issues, we won't make much progress on the small stuff. As you know, I think we need to see the big story not as "a totalizing metanarrative," but as a multi-story space framed by stories of creation, liberation, and reconciliation ... a "three-in-one" story that gives shape, depth, and breadth to the whole Bible.

I've made mistakes in all these areas ... so I share them in hopes that you will do better than I've often done.


In Wichita this weekend

I'll be at the Apprentice Institute this weekend. Hope to see many friends there.


Sexual identity ... more complex than many think

As this article makes clear.


A Nest Protecting our Mediocrity

Excellent analysis on Pope Francis shaking things up here ...


A reader writes: I had a fresh encounter with God

Hi Brian, my name is xxx I am an outreach practice nurse/ counselor / chaplain in [the UK] with people who are asylum seekers, homeless, addicted and others hungry for a faith that makes sense.

I wanted to write to let you know that four years ago your books started me on a new journey with God and helped me to reconcile many seemingly conflicting strains of thought. I started by reading "The story we find ourselves in" and then read "The secret message of Jesus" followed by Adventures in missing the point , A new kind of Christian, The church on the other side and A generous Orthodoxy all in a few months. somewhere in this process I had a fresh encounter with God where I felt he just wanted me to go out and call disciples - to go about doing good works and to just take people with me . I was especially challenged by the idea of being Blessed to be a Blessing . I initially bought and old van and called it the Blessing van and then God provided stuff and we went about helping people to set up home and just doing anything our hands found to do looking to be a blessing wherever we could . Blessed to be a blessing is our moto We have not started a new church but try to help people find a church where they feel as though they fit and we try to encourage the churches not to possess people but rather to see themselves as nurturers for part of a persons journey.

People from many different church groups have joined with us at various times whilst continuing in their original church communities and I can honestly say that I can no longer see more than one church in our city /land or even world world We are a faith venture-but an " Ok God what are we doing today!"venture not an organisation and God has lead and provided amazingly we seek to bless anyone and everyone; churches, government agencies, individuals, givers and recipients. I still work part time as a nurse several others have decided to do the same and work part time to share with us too. We very loosely call ourselves "City Saints in Action"

Thank you for your obedience to God in writing these and other of your books which I have read and read them more than once and I find them a constant source of inspiration and encouragement. We are about to start up a discussion group around A generous orthodoxy as several people have said that they are hungry to re examine their beliefs.
Every Blessing be on you and your house,

There's nothing more encouraging than hearing someone has been encouraged through my books to launch out in a venture as you have. Thanks so much. You've made my day - actually, my week!


If you're coming apart ...

this interview might be of real help.


Guerrilla Prayer

This article from the Beatitudes Society reminds me in several ways of another "guerrilla prayer" you can read about in Daniel 6.


Sometimes the South surprises people ...



Cincinnati - see you this weekend!

I'll be speaking with Peter Matthews and others at Eden United Methodist Church this weekend, for their Power of One conference. You can learn more here ... and register here. I'll also be preaching at Eden UMC on Sunday, 10:15 am. Hope to see you this weekend!


Thinking Global

Here's an encouraging report on Christian unity ...


A reader writes: I feel really good about life

I've just come back from a rare meal out with my wife to celebrate our eighth wedding anniversary. I feel really good about life, and that's a good time to think about people who have made life good.

I just wanted to say a big thank you to you for writing Everything Must Change, which along with several of your other books has dramatically shaped my thinking and inspired me to stand up and do something about the way the world is. Sadly, I find that the church in general is pretty reticent to do this. I met you at an event in [the UK] where you spoke alongside Mo Ansar and I thought you were both brilliant.

Last Sunday I got the chance to start a series on Money at our church, and confront people with the realities of the economic system of the world, which as you so powerfully express in your book, constitutes a big part of the Suicide Machine of today's world. Your influence, alongside academics FS Michaels and Andrew Crest, and master theologian Tom Wright, is strongly evident in what I'm trying to convey to our church community in England. Wishing you every blessing,

Thanks, and congratulations on your anniversary. And thanks for using your influence to help people make the connection between Christian faith and "tikkun olam" - healing the world.


Spirituality and Labels

As I've written about elsewhere (especially in Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road), a lot of us are infected with CRIS - conflicted religious identity syndrome. The subtitle of A Generous Orthodoxy demonstrates an advanced case of CRIS.

The syndrome extends beyond Christianity, of course. Even SBNR's (Spiritual But Not Religious) aren't satisfied with that label, as a fascinating article by Frederic and Mary Ann Brussat explains. They are working with Rabbi Rami Shapiro and others to serve "seekers without borders" whom they call "spiritual independents." They explain:

In an attempt to label them, two terms have emerged: "Spiritual But Not Religious" (SBNRs) and "Nones." We don't like either term. They categorize people by what they are not. We are interested in who they are.

That's why we like the term "spiritually independent." It was coined by Rabbi Rami Shapiro in his forthcoming book Perennial Wisdom for the Spiritually Independent. He'll be leading an e-course on "The Way of the Spiritually Independent" for Spirituality & Practice in September. You can read more about it and sign up here:

Shapiro likens the spiritually independent to the politically independent. The politically independent find good ideas and policies in different political parties and choose not to join one in particular. They are less interested in where ideas come from than in how they contribute to creating the world they want to see.

Similarly, the spiritually independent person seeks out wisdom from many sources: the religions, the sciences, the arts, the humanities, the popular culture, the Internet and social media. They are less concerned with where the wisdom comes from than in its capacity to make them more compassionate, just, and awake to the unity of all life.

Carl McColman (who self-identifies as SWAR - Spiritual While Also Religious) responded to the article and suggested the term "Spiritual Creatives."

All these conversations are evidence that religious identity is in flux ... No doubt, that flux could be problematic and many will see it as a danger and threat. But it could also be creative ... if we believe the wind of the Spirit is still "blowing where it will."


School of Love

In several of my books, I've written about the church's potential to be a "school of love." But I've often wondered who is working on the curriculum for such a venture. I'm thrilled to pass on that there's a group of people developing exactly what's needed - with in-person and on-line ways of actually learning - not just that we should love, but how to do so. Learn more here.

It's taught by Mark Yaconelli, Dr. Frank Rogers, and Dr. Andy Dreitcer from the Center for Engaged Compassion. If this looks as intriguing to you as it does to me, please help me spread the word about Triptykos and their certificate program in engaged compassion ...


Why you should read Frank Schaeffer's new novel ... and ...

Here's my review from Red Letter Christians ...
Anyone who asks me for a recommendation for good reading in the fiction category always gets the same response: Have you read Frank Schaeffer’s Portofino trilogy? Now, Frank has a new novel out, and it’s excellent too: And God Said, ‘Billy!’

First, a word about Frank’s earlier trilogy, featuring young Calvin Becker who comes of age in Christian funda-gelicalism. In Portofino, Frank combined a painfully accurate description of a young fundamentalist male coming of age with an acute love for a place. The writing was beautiful, and everyone who reads will want to visit Portofino – or feel that they have already done so. Then in Zermatt, the coming of age continues. Sexuality moves front and center, with Calvin obsessed with sex in a desperately exploratory way and his mom obsessed in an equally desperate inhibitory way. Cringes and laughter flow freely. Then in Saving Grandma, the comic overwhelms the tragic as an elderly skeptic (Grandma) becomes the unwitting savior of the adolescent quasi-fundamentalist.

It’s worth mentioning the Calvin Becker stories because in “And God Said, Billy,” Frank moves on from a coming-of-age story to a kind of full-blown adult story. Billy, the main character, is a passionately committed charis-funda-gelical adult – married, with a daughter. He’s a member in good standing of The Reformed Charismatic Full Gospel Word of Life Church. What he experiences isn’t the disjuncture of entry into adulthood, but the collapse of an adulthood built on a rather shaky foundation (Bible quotes notwithstanding).

Richard Rohr and I have both written of an important transition in adult spirituality – using different language to describe the same experience. Richard speaks of a transition from the first to the second half of life, and I’ve written about the transition from the early stages of simplicity and complexity to the later stages of perplexity and harmony. In And God Said, Billy!, Frank presents exactly such a transition – although “transition” sounds way too tame for the chaotic disintegration the poor fellow experiences.

What is remarkable about Frank’s new book, in addition to its downright hilarity, is the beauty with which he captures Billy’s emergence into second-half-of-life/harmony. Other characters – maybe counterparts to Grandma in Calvin Becker’s life – play a key role in the transition.

There aren’t many writers that repeatedly evoke from me the words beauty and hilarity – but Frank is one of them, and if that sounds intriguing, now you know the next book you need to pick up – And God Said, Billy!

A P.S. to Frank … if you’re thinking about another trilogy, how about 2 books that cover the same basic time period, but from the vantage point of Rebecca, Molly, Ruth, Pastor Bob, or maybe Igumen Tryphon? Just a thought …

This post is a review of Frank Schaeffer’s new book, “And God Said, Billy!,” currently featured on the Red Letter Book Club.

- See more at: http://www.redletterchristians.org/review-god-said-billy/#sthash.6Bku0Yhi.dpuf


Q & R: Finding encouraging relationships?

Here's the Q:

We have never met however I have read many of your books over the recent years and have listened to everything I could find on the Internet from you along with many others along similar journeys to yours. I have found great comfort and encouragement in listening to you as well as other similar thinking believers however I have found myself increasingly feeling isolated, misunderstood and generally just not fitting into the evangelical world i was raised in. No one else in my network of believing friends are interested much in looking deeper into the questions of faith and how they work themselves out in scripture, typically business as usual works just fine for them as it did for me the majority of my life. However several years ago I began asking myself hard questions about the dogma I was holding to and that led to the discovery of many of your writings as well as others that began putting words to the feelings I was having about my own faith experience. While on this search i found myself discovering a much bigger God then i had ever known which brought me much comfort however it also began revealing a thought and understanding divide between myself and the majority of my spiritual network.

...I guess my question to you is how did you go about finding encouraging relationships as you started down this journey of rediscovering your faith and now that you have found yourself in the cross hairs of many evangelical sites how do you keep from getting shot down by the skeptics.

Any help or encouragement would be greatly appreciated on this topic.

Thanks for your willingness to step out and proclaiming such a " generous orthodoxy"

Here's the R:
Thanks for your note and encouraging words.This is one of the most common questions I receive, showing what a need there is to help people find each other ... I'm working with a group of friends to try to facilitate these connections online. Stay tuned for more news about the CANA Initiative. (Cana stands for convene, advocate, network, and act.) I'm also hoping my next book will help people get together ... More on that soon too.


Facebook woes, part deux -

Here's a sample of what the scammer sends ...

Dearly Beloved.
The Word of God says, "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. Send me your prayer request. I and my church to pray for you and you will receive healing God bless. want you to know that the Lord is waiting to hear your prayer request. think of what is wrong in your life or your family and send it to me and I will pray with you and you see the work from the hand of God in your life and the lives of his family.

Requests for money soon follow.


Facebook woes ...

I keep having a "fake me" showing up on Facebook ... he asks people to friend him and soon is offering to pray for them and asking them to send him money in return. Sheesh. Anyway, just for future reference, my real Facebook page is here.


An apology

A reader writes ...

This isn't a question, and barely a comment, instead this is an apology.
I'm sorry to say that in the past I have been ignorant and immature and have slandered you to the people in my world who would listen.

My chief reason being that I was caught up in a furious set of doctrines and followed my heroes that presented them without thought to the inconsistencies that such unloving actions created.

(Now I don't mean to say the doctrines are unloving, because I still believe a bunch of them can be redeemed when practiced with a model of love and humility rather than one of vindictive righteousness.)

I don't think I even have to specify which branch of 'neo-modern' Christianity I am speaking of as I'm certain you could guess. haha

With that being said I am writing this to you now having just read your book "Finding Our Way Again" for one of my theology classes at university. You wouldn't believe the shock and unbelief I experienced as I found each chapter resonating within me loud and clear.

I thoroughly enjoyed your views on Kingdom and the way you summarised the redemptive narrative, as well as the whole of the book - however those parts really grabbed me.

I've learnt a lot from FOWA, and am a better human having read it! I never in a million years thought I would but I have even been recommending it to everyone in my world who will listen!

So please accept my apology and encouragement, and consider this the beginning of my καθαρσις (or, ἡ αρχη μου καθαρσεως).
thanks for your book and your time.

Thanks for these encouraging words. It's interesting to see how few people who are publicly critical of my work have ever actually read it ... Anyway, we're all in this together, and I'm grateful to hear that FOWA was helpful. it's one of my "quieter" books, but one that meant a lot to me in the writing. I hope we'll meet in person someday soon.


Right God? Wrong God?

Over on my facebook page (which you might "like" if you haven't already ...), Michelle DeRusha posted this:

Brian, your Jesus/Moses/Buddha/Mohammed book and a conversation with my 8-year-old son about "right God vs. wrong God" prompted me to write this column for my local newspaper. Thank you for giving me much to think about and for helping me navigate a tough question with my son!

Here's the article...

It seems like the perfect article to ponder on September 11. Michelle writes:

In my mind, the bigger issue isn’t so much “right God” vs. “wrong God,” but the fact that it’s a very small step from there to “I’m right, you’re wrong” or “I’m good, you’re bad.”

And, I would add, it's a very small series of steps from "We're good, you're bad" to "So we will fly planes into your buildings, or drop bombs on your neighborhoods to demonstrate our superiority."
Frankly, drawing a line in the sand and naming myself “right” and the others as “wrong” doesn’t feel like love to me. It also doesn’t feel like the most productive, fruitful way to live out my faith. Dividing people into “right God, wrong God” camps doesn’t seem to leave much room for compassion, generosity, forgiveness, respect and love.

That's not to say, "It doesn't matter what you believe." It's to say beliefs matter a great deal - and not just what you believe, but how you hold those beliefs. Without love, any set of beliefs can sound like falling bombs and crashing buildings.


We Make the Road by Walking

Here's the planned US cover for my next book ...
Here's the planned UK cover ...

We Make the Road by Walking should be available June 2014. I hope you'll sign up for my monthly newsletter to keep informed about this and other news. Just click here...


My conversation with James Alison ...

Thanks to the good people of Homebrewed Christianity for putting this up ... and for the good people of Raven Foundation who made it possible for me to be part of this.


Diverse Whites. Reverse Whites. Gracism

This insightful piece on race by my friend David Anderson deserves wide readership, here. Quotable:

Whites will become a minority within three decades, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. If this happens as predicted, within little more than one generation, whites will be the largest minority group in America.

In the United States we are in for a new age of diversity that all Americans should be aware of with eyes wide open.

For the first time in U.S. history, the majority rule of whites will be threatened, which means the concept of rugged individualism that worked so well for whites in America in centuries past may be threatened. The rules of personal responsibility and relational networking (some call it the "good old boy" network) as an avenue for success will no longer be sufficient in a multicultural and global society.

I predict the new minority whites will break into at least two groups: diverse whites, those who are culturally aware and multiculturally proficient, and reverse whites, those who will fight doggedly to hold on to whatever superior status they can.

Other minorities, especially blacks, have a choice to be what I call "gracists," people who extend favor, kindness, forgiveness and grace to others regardless of, and sometimes because of, color, class or culture.


I was homeless and you invited me in ...

Good news - especially about both the homeless and the effectiveness of the federal government - doesn't come along often enough, but here's some:

Despite a housing crisis, a great recession, rising income inequality, and elevated poverty, there is some good news among the most vulnerable segment of American society. America’s homeless population – an estimated 633,000 people – has declined in the last decade.

This seems incredible – perhaps literally, so. The National Alliance to End Homelessness, a leader in homelessness service and research, estimates a 17 percent decrease in total homelessness from 2005 to 2012. As a refresher: this covers a period when unemployment doubled (2007-2010) and foreclosure proceedings quadrupled (2005-2009).

President Bush is often remembered for the disasters that occurred on his watch - Iraq, Katrina, the economic crash, etc. But President Bush also had some notable successes that deserve to be celebrated - among them, a program that changed the way we help the homeless. And that program has made a huge and lasting difference:

And what about the presidents responsible for this feat? General anti-poverty measures – for example, expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit -- have helped to raise post-tax income for the poorest families. But our last two presidents have made targeted efforts, as well. President George W. Bush’s "housing first" program helped reduce chronic homelessness by around 30 percent from 2005 to 2007. The "housing first" approach put emphasis on permanent housing for individuals before treatment for disability and addiction.

Lest we be complacent ...

As quietly as homelessness has fallen, so too it will go up quietly – unless there is major intervention. The United States Department of Housing and Urban Development estimates that sequestration cuts from homelessness programs are set to expel 100,000 people from a range of housing and shelter programs this year. That’s nearly one sixth of the current total homeless population. Far from gently raising the homeless rate, it would undo a full decade of progress.


A reader writes: I have been called backslidden, a heretic and dodgy

I imagine you get a lot of emails so I will keep this brief. What I read of Mesa is a great comfort to me. Having read some of your own material, I can say with all honesty (and no intention to ingratiate) that you have arrived at many of the same conclusions I have over the last ten years or so. I am happy to know I am not the only Christian out there who thinks outside of the traditional box and does so without diminishing their passion for Christ or the Gospel. I have been called backslidden, a heretic and dodgy, but in reality I lead a devoted life and have an intimate and meaningful relationship with God. I share the Gospel with people at work, read my Bible, pray and worship, but I am still not very welcome in church circles as I ask awkward questions - about hell, about biblical interpretation, about homosexuality (I am not a homosexual but I have friends who are and struggle to fellowship in an environment where they would not be as welcome as I would be), about the wisdom found in other religions, etc.

I've pretty much accepted that this is how life will be for me, and am okay with that in the main (God's company is compensation enough), but having come across people like yourself, and now Mesa, I find myself hopeful that life doesn't have to be as lonely as I thought. I live in Nottingham, and would love to meet some like-minded people. Are you aware of any groups/individuals that I might enjoy meeting with?

Thank you for your books, and for taking the time to read this.

Thanks for your note. I know many readers here will identify with your experience.
If other folks in the Nottingham area would like to make contact with this person, maybe you could put a post over on my facebook page ...


Q & R: Ministry (one way), or Ministry (another way)?

Here's the Q:

Several years back, your book Everything Must Change, along with my own beginning to question and re-examine, started my current chapter. At the time I was a student at a Southern Baptist seminary but beginning to see some things I was taught unraveling. I have made some changes and actually am currently working in a mainline church that is a much better fit for where I am in my thinking and theology; but I want to ask your advice.

As cycles go, I'm back to feeling a bit like Pastor Dan. I want the freedom to be intellectually and spiritually honest as I learn; which one in ministry sadly doesn't always have. I also see the merit in serving the church and using my gifts; but doing something vocationally outside of the church. I wonder if I could actually do MORE with my life that way, not less. (such as teaching in public school and volunteering with the Church). All my life I have worked toward ministry, so its scary to think of change, but at the same time I would still be a minster no matter what my job.

Any wisdom? I know you hear from countless people, but I've considered you truly a mentor, and you have been a HUGE part of my spiritual journey.

Here's the R: First, I think you're so wise to realize that ministry is for everyone - those who are serving the church as a career and those who are serving as the church in the world. Second, having done ministry in both venues, I think you're right to say that there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Third, I think you're wise to realize that there are many vocational chapters in a typical life.

Nobody at a distance like me could know enough about your situation to offer counsel - which is a good reason to create a "clearness committee" with a group of trusted friends and local mentors. But let me suggest a possible "middle path." If you are in paid ministry now, I'm going to guess you're working more than a forty hour week. Let's say you're working fifty. What would happen if you worked an honest and wholehearted forty hours "on the clock" for the church, and then reinvested that additional ten hours in some form of unpaid, external ministry? Or, conversely, you might take a "sabbatical" from paid ministry for a while and get a different kind of job, as you suggest ... but if you do, maybe start an experimental faith community of some sort. (My next book will offer special resources for groups like this.)

Whatever you do, don't burn bridges because later chapters often circle back to earlier territory. Keep learning, keep growing, and keep "in the stream."


Praying for peace on Saturday ...

I'll be joining many others in praying for the situation in Syria on Saturday because I think it's time we realize that Dr. King was right: we can't cure violence with violence.

Mirroring violent behavior sets vicious cycles of offense and revenge in motion. We need a more creative response - not passivity, not inaction, but something more creative and constructive than "punishing" or "retaliating" or trying to cure violence with violence.

What might those more creative and constructive alternatives be? Maybe a day of prayer with fasting will prepare us to imagine them. Here's what others are saying:
Pope Francis
Evangelical leaders

Here's a prayer that expresses what is on my heart (feel free to use or adapt as is helpful):

"Living God, our world is broken-hearted by the atrocity of chemical weapons being used in Syria, killing children, women, and men indiscriminately. And our hearts grieve no less for the many tens of thousands killed and millions displaced by the civil war there.

We pray for peace, God of peace: not just the cessation of conflict, but a new day of reconciliation, civility, and collaboration for the common good ... in the Middle East, and around the world.

We also pray for the United States, whose leaders are contemplating military strikes in retaliation for the atrocity, to punish those who ordered it, and to deter those who might plan similar atrocities in the future. We acknowledge that our leaders are trying to do what is needed and right, based on the understanding they have. But on this day, as millions of us around the world pray, we ask for greater wisdom, greater understanding, greater foresight, so that we can find new, better, and non-violent ways to achieve lasting and profound peace.

We know from bitter experience that "our" violence promises to end "their" violence, but in the end, it only intensifies vicious cycles of offense and revenge. We also know from bitter experience that inaction and passivity also aid and abet evil. So on this day, we seek your wisdom, for a better way forward ... a new way that we do not yet see.

We Americans sense that our nation is on the verge of rethinking its role in the world. In this moment of rethinking, we also pray for guidance. Help us learn from past mistakes, and help us imagine better possibilities for the future. In this time of political tension and turmoil - not only between, but within our political parties - may your Spirit move like the wind and give us a fresh vision of what can be, so that we do not repeat old, tired, and destructive cycles of what has been. May the wisdom and ways of Jesus, upon whom your Spirit descended like a dove, guide us now - to a wise and responsible role as good neighbors in our world. Amen.


This month, in Ohio ...

I don't often get to Ohio, so I'm especially looking forward to being with Rev. Peter Matthews for a free conference September 21-22 in the Cincy area. You'll find more information here:

The church address is 150 Dahlia Ave Cincinnati, Ohio 45233 and you can learn more here: www.iameden.org


In Sea Turtle news ...

An eco-story with a happy ending.


Want to help a friend of mine?

I've known Becca Jackson all her life - her parents have been close friends since before Becca was born. I had the privilege of baptizing Becca and her sister and am a big fan of the whole Jackson clan. I had no idea Becca had entered the Miss Delaware contest - and won! Now she's up for Miss America on September 15. Here's her video:

You can vote for Rebecca Jackson here (under Miss Delaware):


Trust the Stream

A beautiful meditation from Gordon Cosby ... a great start to the fall season. (HT WGM)

The stream flowing through our lives is from eternity to eternity. It is artesian. It is totally adequate. Everything we need is borne by that stream. Its origin is the realm beyond, and it carries infinite resources. In this space-time realm, conditioned as we are, the stream can seem to be a trickle. It seems puny against the drugs we’re battling, against the divisions among us or the power of greed that fuels our economy.

When we’re up against all the world’s needs and lacks–the way we perceive life–the stream seems inadequate. But in fact, it is a powerful, surging, cleansing tide that purifies all it touches. It is a grace torrent. It flows irrespective of merit. It carries everything that a human being has ever needed–and could ever want. Whatever we need will flow by at just the opportune moment. Our problem is that we’re not attuned to the stream. We don’t see it. We’re not even looking in the river’s direction.

But when we wait in expectancy, looking at the stream and then recognizing what we need as it floats by, we simply reach out and take the gift. It’s an effortless way of living. Usually we’re not attuned to effortlessness. We’re too busy striving. We’re holding forth and carrying on and trying to reach our goals. The wisdom of the stream is the opposite of this. What I’m talking about is moving from a conceptual awareness of God’s care–the idea of God’s providence–to trusting the flow of that stream that carries everything we need and will bring it at just the opportune moment.

Jesus found it difficult to understand his disciples’ anxiety. He was so in the river, he was so aware that the stream carried everything that was needed, that he couldn’t understand why others were having so much trouble with the idea. What he says is to set our minds on God’s realm, God’s justice, before everything else. Everything else will be given by the stream. This is different than achievement and different than making things happen. Do not be anxious about tomorrow, Jesus says. You’ll have plenty to think about when tomorrow comes. Now the stream is flowing.

Once we get accustomed to noticing the stream, and we spend more time near the stream, taking from it what is being given, there comes another step: actually getting into the water and resting in its flow. Even when the flow is a torrent, we know we are safe. We trust the flow. We become non-resistant. We become receptive. We trust the power of the divine presence, which longs to take our one little life to its divine destination. Even if we’re in deep water, we trust the flow and are not afraid. We simply wait in expectancy to round the next bend, looking in wonder at the view. Always a new view. Effortlessness, expectancy, and wonder are how we live, rather than striving.

Faith, in the biblical sense, is trusting the flow and reveling in the view and being carried beyond all existing boundaries. Faith is being excited about the final destination, even when the destination is a mystery. When Jesus says, “Believe in God, believe also in me,” he is saying, “Get into the stream with us. It’s a stream of pure grace and mercy. Go into its depths and find us there.”


Neither automatic nor inevitable

“Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.” --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


Faith and Future Generations/Back to School

Here's a conversation I shared recently with sparkling interviewer Deborah Arca:
I reference an excellent group called faith-forward.net ... worth checking out for all who are interested in Christian spiritual formation of children.


Three Good Books this Fall

There are many ... but here are 3 starters:
1. My friend Wes-Granberg Michaelson is uniquely positioned to write a book on World Christianity. From Times Square to Timbuktu: The Post-Christian West Meets the Non-Western Church should become the go-to book to help Christians and others grasp the significance of Christianity shifting from its past as a Western/colonial religion to its future a global/post-colonial religion. Learn more here.

2. I recently read Rebekah Simon-Peter's "The Jew Named Jesus." It is such an enjoyable read, and the content is deeply important. The book helped me identify many mistakes I've made in my work as a preacher and writer over the years. My only complaint - I wish it had been available thirty years ago, so I could have avoided those mistakes! Highly recommended for every pastor ... and everyone who talks about the Old and New Testaments.

3. Anyone who asks me for a recommendation for good reading in the fiction category always gets the same response: Have you read Frank Schaeffer's Portofino trilogy? Now, Frank has a new novel out (September 15), and it's excellent too: And God Said, 'Billy!'

First, a word about Frank's earlier trilogy, featuring young Calvin Becker who comes of age in Christian funda-gelicalism. In Portofino, Frank combined a painfully accurate description of a young fundamentalist male coming of age with an acute love for a place. The writing was beautiful, and everyone who reads will want to visit Portofino - or feel that they have already done so. Then in Zermatt, the coming of age continues. Sexuality moves front and center, with Calvin obsessed with sex in a desperately exploratory way and his mom obsessed in an equally desperate inhibitory way. Cringes and laughter flow freely. Then in Saving Grandma, the comic overwhelms the tragic as an elderly skeptic (Grandma) becomes the unwitting savior of the adolescent quasi-fundamentalist.

It's worth mentioning the Calvin Becker stories because in "And God Said, Billy," Frank moves on from a coming-of-age story to a kind of full-blown adult story. Billy, the main character, is a passionately committed charis-funda-gelical adult - married, with a daughter. He's a member in good standing of The Reformed Charismatic Full Gospel Word of Life Church. What he experiences isn't the disjuncture of entry into adulthood, but the collapse of an adulthood built on a rather shaky foundation (Bible quotes notwithstanding).

Richard Rohr and I have both written of an important transition in adult spirituality - using different language to describe the same experience. Richard speaks of a transition from the first to the second half of life, and I've written about the transition from the early stages of simplicity and complexity to the later stages of perplexity and harmony. In And God Said, Billy!, Frank presents exactly such a transition - although "transition" sounds way too tame for the chaotic disintegration the poor fellow experiences.

What is remarkable about Frank's new book, in addition to its downright hilarity, is the beauty with which he captures Billy's emergence into second-half-of-life/harmony. Other characters - maybe counterparts to Grandma in Calvin Becker's life - play a key role in the transition.

There aren't many writers that repeatedly evoke from me the words beauty and hilarity - but Frank is one of them, and if that sounds intriguing, now you know the next book you need to pick up - And God Said, Billy!

A P.S. to Frank ... if you're thinking about another trilogy, how about 2 books that cover the same basic time period, but from the vantage point of Rebecca, Molly, Ruth, Pastor Bob, or maybe Igumen Tryphon? Just a thought ...

More recommendations coming soon. BTW - Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? releases in softcover this month. If you haven't read it, now's a great time.


What have you been thinking about this weekend?

I know most folks don't give labor day a second thought. It's a long weekend that ends the summer. Hit the beach or pool one last time, and prepare for the fall season ahead. And remember there are only 113 (or so) days until Christmas!

This Labor Day I've be thinking about groceries ... starting with the farmworkers who plant, tend, and harvest crops. Some do so in air-conditioned tractors and combines, but many do so in the hot sun, often exposed to harmful pesticides, abusive foremen, and unsafe conditions ... not to mention low pay, without much if any access to legal protection. You can learn more about farmworkers and their underpaid, under-appreciated labor here:

In my work with CIW, I've become more aware than ever that I am connected by the food I eat to everyone in the chain ... from farmers and farmworkers to truckers to grocers to cooks and dishwashers. Then, I think about who I am connected to by the clothing I wear, the iphones and computers I use, the roads I drive, the car I drive. We're all connected by our labor!

Along similar lines, Joan Warren has been thinking about the problem of food waste lately. Joan is a relatively new blogger whose work I think you'll enjoy.


What I did over Labor Day Weekend

Among other things, I had the privilege of participating in this protest about oil drilling and natural gas fracking in my area ... Can you believe the fossil fuel industry is encroaching on the Everglades and endangered Florida Panther habitat, not to mention people's back yards? Can you believe the Sunshine State hasn't set a goal of being the nation's leader in solar energy? Learn more here and here and here.
Kudos and thanks to Karen and John Dwyer, who are at the center of a whole lot of activism-organizing goodness in my corner of the world. More great pictures from Raymond Ramos here.

Update: This article on Governor Scott's environmental policies deserves a read for all concerned about the environment.


My WaPo Op-Ed ... on Torture in America

I didn’t think I could add another commitment to my portfolio of concern.
Then I saw an interview with Shane Bauer, one of three Americans imprisoned in Iran for months. He explained that he wasn’t allowed contact with anyone outside, that he was given no access to a lawyer, that he wasn’t told what evidence there was for the charges against him, and that he had no idea if he would ever even get a trial or see freedom.
What left the biggest mark on me was when he said that no part of his experience was worse than the four months he spent in solitary confinement. He admitted that the experience was so unbearable that he wished he could have been interrogated — just to have some form of human contact.

Later, I read an article in Mother Jones by Bauer. In it, he described what it was like to discover that many prisoners in California are subjected to even more extreme forms of solitary confinement than he had been in Iran.
I knew I could not be silent. Solitary confinement might not involve beatings, electric shocks, or water boarding, but it looks, smells and sounds like torture. And people like me — who believe that human beings are created in the image of God, and therefore have innate dignity — cannot be silent about torture, whether in Iran or California.
The issue has gained more attention since July 8, when over 30,000 prisoners in California prisons began a peaceful hunger strike. Now, over 40 days after the hunger strike began, hundreds of California prisoners are still refusing food, and many of them are nearing organ failure and death. They are protesting a number of inhumane conditions, but solitary confinement is the one that many of us can’t stop thinking about.


Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us

...Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night
Have found that the calling to speak
Is often a vocation of agony,
But we must speak.

We must speak with all the humility
That is appropriate to our limited vision,
But we must speak.

And we must rejoice as well,
For surely this is the first time in our nation's history
That a significant number of its religious leaders
Have chosen to move beyond
The prophesying of smooth patriotism
To the high grounds of a firm dissent
Based upon the mandates of conscience
And the reading of history.

Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us.
If it is, let us trace its movements
And pray that our own inner being
May be sensitive to its guidance,
For we are deeply in need of a new way
Beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.

-- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


More on Emergento-Islamo-Communism

Here. Quotable:
“When I first saw this, I thought it was a headline from The Onion." -- Tony Jones


The Emergent Church Movement now joins Communism and Islam as a top target of the Religious Right ...

You can learn more here (HT Josh G):

Speaker: Art Ally, Founder and President, The Timothy Plan
Synopsis: This session will equip you to engage in the debate over the war for the soul of America. We will explore the fundamental foundational problems we have in America and three of the channels the adversary is using to bring America down (Communism, Islam and the Emergent Church movement.) The first 200 attendees will receive complimentary copies of Curtis Bowers' award winning DVD Agenda (exposing Communism), Pastor Paul Blair's comprehensive DVD (on the truth behind Islam) and Roger Oakland's outstanding book "Faith Undone" (an expose on the Emergent Church movement.)

Congratulations are in order?


Christians, Muslims, the Middle East

Like you, I have been watching the unfolding situations in Egypt and Syria with heartbreak. I have several friends who live in the region and keep me informed, confidentially, from their on-the-ground vantage point.

In Egypt, many in the Christian community were disturbed that the Morsi administration was drifting to the right in its first year in power, putting Muslim Brotherhood partners in positions of power because of their religious affiliation, not because of their competence in actual governance. As a result, many Christians sided with the demonstrators and were happy to see Morsi ousted, although they had no idea that the protests would result in a military coup with a return to Mubarak-era repression.

The fact that many Christians had protested Morsi, of course, made them targets of revenge by the Muslim Brotherhood, not to mention more extreme groups to their right. Now, like many Egyptians, many Christians feel their democratic hopes have been dashed, or at least betrayed, by both Islamists and militarists. The following articles try to convey the complex realities for Christians and Muslims living side by side in these conflicted times ...

This, on the situation for Christians in the Middle East, where persecution of Christians is on the rise:

This, on Egypt:

This also on Egypt:

And in the midst of the chaos and violence, this note of hope:


A seriously funny novel by my friend Frank Schaeffer

Anyone who asks me for a recommendation for good reading in the fiction category always gets the same response: Have you read Frank Schaeffer's Portofino trilogy? Now, Frank has a new novel out (September 15), and it's excellent too: And God Said, 'Billy!'


It's hard to believe a book that is so raw, raucous, and hilarious in the middle can take you to such a different place at the end ... but I don't want to say more, because I really hope you'll read Frank's latest novel.


A reader writes: Any hope of calling myself a theist

I was very excited to read your book 'Why did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road'. I have read quite a few of your books, as well as those of Rob Bell and David Tomlinson, as I find your approach the only one at the moment that gives me any hope of calling myself, at the very least, a theist. However, I often feel that I am left liking what you say, but lacking a rationale to accept it, except that I like it. It becomes the McLaren or the Bell version. However, although I did feel the same about large chunks of your latest book, I felt excited by a section in Chapter 17 p142, which says:
‘if the Spirit is ubiquitous and all people are encountering the Holy Spirit simply because we live, move and have our being in the Spirit’s domain, we can understand human religions – all human religions, including our own – as imperfect human responses to our encounters with the Spirit who is present in all creation. That is not to deny the presence of unique divine revelation in anyone religion, nor is it to affirm that all religions are the same, nor is it to imply that the Spirit should be credited or blamed for everything going on in our religions. Instead, it is simply to propose that each religion, based on its unique location and history, would have a unique, particular and evolving perspective from which to encounter the Spirit in a unique way. That would mean that differences between religions would not necessarily mean contradictions. They could simply mean additional data, expressed in different systems of local imagery and language, based on differing encounters with the same Spirit of God, present in all creation across all time. Not only that, but in light of the wildly different local conditions in which they encounter the same Spirit, we might interpret some religious differences in a new light: rather than saying different (contradictory) things about the same thing, various religions could sometimes be saying different (complementary) things about different (complementary) experiences entirely
Let me summarise my thinking in bullet points to make it less bulky. I don't want to put you off!! I tried to read the Bible from cover to cover without commentaries to see what I made of it. I was horrified, bored and totally confused that this should be the stuff that almighty God wanted us to know and live by. So, either a) I didn't like this God anymore, b) this was just stories and there was no God, or c) maybe there was a God, but the Bible wasn't his infallible word to us on the matter I decided to try c) but soon discovered I had no rationale for knowing what was true or what was wishful thinking Sort of gave up Went to Bath in England. Hadn't prayed for months. Looked up at statue of roman god Minerva and kind of prayed 'Were they in touch with you, when they worshipped Minera?' The answer came back in an instant - 'of course'. I had a question and an answer in an instant, with no premeditation at all. I felt this was pivotal, but of course, it was very subjective and cannot be verified. Went to Avebury and stood by the ancient stones. Man had been reaching out according his understanding of the divine (probably) So, from then on, I have been trying the theory out. So often, I think, revelation is a flash, and we put human thought with it, embellish it, and mess it up, turn it into a religion, etc etc. I don't want to do that. HERE IS THE THEORY, ANYWAY We have evolved according to God's blueprint. We are here in the 21st century. Maybe we have more evolution to undergo, especially intellectually, so as eventually to know enough to find the currently unknowable God. All religions contain some right stuff and some revelation, but, also a lot of human commentary and prejudice. Some stuff was right for the people at the time, but not for NOW. All religions are historically, geographically and educationally specific. One day we will get there. One day we will have eveolved suffiently to find God, and all religions, and even more excitingly, even science, will converge. Here is a stupid example, but it helps to explain what I mean: If God were a computer, and we were software in some way, this fact would have been inconceivable to Moses. So, we are all in it together. No need to fight about it. No-one is right, no-one is wrong. We are all evolving and will get there in the end. It kind of makes more sense of evolution. There is a programme on UK TV called 'Scrapheap Challenge', where teams have to build a certain machine from the stuff available (it has probably been put there to be found). In the same way, maybe God has given us all the materials we need on this planet. It is incredible what we have made from this rock orbiting the sun. He is watching and waiting for us to find the wherewithall to find him. I hope you can get the gist. I have loads to say, and better words to say it in, but this is my first bash. Please comment if you have time and inclination.

Thanks for your note. I was struck by the similarity of your theory and what Paul had to say in Acts 17. I wonder if I could adjust one paragraph a bit, from this:

So, we are all in it together. No need to fight about it. No-one is right, no-one is wrong. We are all evolving and will get there in the end. It kind of makes more sense of evolution.

To this:
So, we are all in it together. No need to fight about it - but plenty of reason to enter into spirited, respectful, collaborative dialogue. No-one is perfectly right, and we all have a lot to learn from and with one another. We can keep growing, we can get stuck in stagnation, or we can regress ... the choice is ours, as are the consequences. God is always beckoning us forward.

My next book (which I'm finishing up this month) tries to demonstrate how the Bible exemplifies this very reality. A key thinker whose work will help you in this process is Rene Girard, whose work is well explicated by people like Tony Bartlett, MIchael Hardin, James Alison, and James Warren. In their work, the importance of Jesus and his life and message shine through with real beauty. Again, thanks for your note. I think you're on a good track.


A reader writes: the ground is shifting, slow and steady progress

...Keep doing what you do. I am so grateful for your writing, blog, and stance on issues concerning faith. Your view of things came as a voice in the wilderness back before even 2007. Then my husband and I felt like strangers in church, at times, even though we were faithful; because of the language and rhetoric we heard there. I have believed "differently" about matters of faith for a very long time; so affirmation is not something I ever expected at church. I've learned to bite my tongue, pray for people who think God is small and mean, and love them anyway- very humbling. But a new minister and lots of water under the brings me to today when one of our Wednesday night study groups was announced "Everything Must Change" by Brian McLaren. I cried. To see that in a most evangelical of evangelical places, southern and Baptist, was so heartening. I did not have to have this but the evidence is clear- the ground is shifting. Slow steady progress. I appreciate you being brave enough to say the things many of us have been thought for 40 years or more. Blessings to you and your family.
Thanks for these encouraging words. You are right. The ground is shifting. With God, nothing is impossible. Like you, I'm grateful to others before me who showed such bravery. This week, of course, many of us are remembering one of those heroes - Dr. King. May his courage inspire us all.

Q & R: Church history?

Here's the Q:

I am going to focus on church history with our Sat night small group this year. I am looking for a "good" non-denominationally focused introduction to church history to use. I have Kenneth Scott Latourettes multi-volume set, but I need something simple for this group, since some are readers and will want to follow along. Any thoughts?

Here's the R:
I'd highly recommend Diana Butler-Bass's A People's History of Christianity. Diana is a brilliant thinker and sparkling writer, and she not only gives a great overview of Christian history in this book - she also helps people think about the assumptions, biases, perspectives, and agendas of those who write church history. On top of that, the book is accessible for normal people, as the title suggests. I recommend all of Diana's work - but this one sounds like it perfectly fits your needs.

If you wanted something more lengthy and detailed, I'd also recommend David Bosch's "Transforming Mission." It focuses on the history of Christian mission ... which, I think, is a good focus.


Bargain Alert ....

Amazon is selling the hardcover of Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road for just $10. That's cheap! Order here.


A taste of Wild Goose

A delightful hour with Ani Zonneveld and Stuart Davis ...


Wild Goose roundup

Here are three worthwhile posts on the Wild Goose Festival, which concluded just a week ago in Hot Springs, North Carolina:



The event really is hard to put into words ... but these folks did a good job. My one-sentence assessment: Year 1, Wild Goose worked to establish an identity. Year 2, it practiced one possible identity. Year 3, it settled into an identity, from which it can grow in any number of exciting and needed ways.

Gareth Higgins, Rosalee Hardin, the Board, and the amazing team of Wild Goose volunteers deserve special thanks for their tremendous work this year. I'm already looking forward to next ...


A less vitriolic stance ...

An excellent piece by Molly Ball on shifting attitudes among American Christians towards their LGBT neighbors ...


A 77-Year-Old Reader Writes

I just finished reading "Why did Jesus,Moses, the Buddha and Muhammad cross the road." To use a Quaker phrase "It spoke to my condition." I am a retired military chaplain, an Anglican priest, and a sometime mentor of EfM and a reading group. We will be tackling your book in October.

Why did the book speak to me? Because as a chaplain [in two different armies, US and Canadian] I was in the interesting position of being responsible for everyone in my unit except Roman Catholics, who had their own priests. That, by the way does not mean that I would turn them down if they came to me with a problem, but it was a separation that was recognized "officially". I was, at various times, "the Gentile rabbi", as well as working with many non or "a" religious members and families. Your comments about "us" and "thems" and about hospitality instead of hostility really struck home.

I am also a third generation clergy person, both Grandfathers, both mother and father, all of whom had different persuasions. One grandfather worked with E. Stanley Jones in India as the head of the Student Christian Movement for China, Japan and India. I hadn't heard that name for a number of years but it brought back memories. I was strongly influenced by Quakerism although raised in a Congregational [UCC] church and became an Episcopalian during seminary at PSR by going across the street to Evensong at CDSP in Berkeley. Along the way I did advanced work in History and a ThM at the Jesuit faculty of Regis College at the University of Toronto School of Theology. Last year our group also spent several months reading "Paradoxy" by Ken Howard.

I don't really have any questions, I just wanted to let you know that I really appreciated your book, that it rang all the right kinds of bells for me and even though I am 77, it truly spoke to themes that have tracked me for years, across several continents and a lot of countries. I think you have caught an image of the message of Jesus that the early "followers on the Way" would recognize and some of us latecomers are trying to catch in our own lives. Cheers ...

Thanks so much for your note. Your story - crossing all kinds of boundaries in all kinds of ways - is the new reality so many of us experience. I'm really glad you enjoyed the book, and your encouragement means a lot to me.


Q & R: One of the most common questions I receive ...

Here's the Q:

Just finished your book. It REALLY spoke to me. It's where I'm headed in my life's journey.

That said I fear that I may be quite alone the closer I get to this transformation. The church i attend is nowhere close to such a paradigm shift (and they are far from mainstream). Living out this new way of thinking is a bit alienating...thoughts?

I know you are busy, I just hope you can spare me a minute.

I just moved to [California]. In Australia, we had a community and like-minded friends, and navigating our christianity outside of traditional church models was a great adventure.

Now we are in the US and desperate to find a community of open-minded Christians We have visited several churches and every time are shocked by their fundamental stance on doctrine. We've just about given up on finding an open-minded, missional congregation, but we have no community around us either.

Do you know any communities in this area you can recommend to us?
Thank you, and blessings,

Here's the R:
Here's the good news: there are so many people out there who are like you, seeking an "open-minded, missional congregation." If we could help them find each other, we might have a movement on our hands.

Here's the bad news: I know of now site that helps people find each other in this way.

But here's some more good news: this could be one of the goals of an initiative I'm trying to help get started. More information here. (And yes, your help is still greatly needed!)

And here's some more bad news: there are open-minded churches that aren't very missional, and missional churches that aren't very open-minded. But I know there are growing numbers of churches that are both, and I expect that number to grow significantly in the coming years. In the short run, I think it's wisest to seek an open-minded congregation where there will be a missional subset, and to do that, I'd look in your area for a) one of the peace churches (anabaptist, quaker, etc.), b) a mainline church that is active in the community, c) an emergent cohort, or d) a new monastic community.

Here's some final good news. If there's nothing in your area in this regard, you can start something. The book I'm finishing up right now should be an asset in that possibility.


Q & R: Naked on audio?

Here's the Q:

I hope you don't mind me emailing this to your team but I am not sure where to look next! I love in the north of England in a lovely city called xx. I am just coming to the end of reading your excellent book 'Naked Spirituality', which was recommended to me by someone who thought that it might encourage me and give me a different perspective on things that I am finding rather frustrating about a life of faith. Indeed it is and I feel like I'm only scraping the surface.

Anyway, a relative is a lovely lady, who is ordained. She is great to chat to, particularly about matters of faith, and gets frustrated with simplistic answers to life's challenges and likes to ask difficult questions of God, the Church and life. I saw her today and was telling her about your book, which I think she would love (particularly the 'Perplexity' section). However, she is unable to read well so I have been on an Internet mission to find the audio book.

However, so far I have had no success. None from a UK or US company that I can find.

Would you be so kind as to point me in the right direction or could I purchase one from you directly?

Here's the R:
I wish I could explain why some books are converted into audio and others aren't ... but I really don't know. For some reason, Naked Spirituality wasn't. I'm hoping we can do something about that in the future ... but for now, it's only in print. I'm sorry! Your relative might enjoy my newest book, which is available in audio format.


Home from Wild Goose ...

What a weekend. Rain. Sun. Laughter. Tears. Amazing music. The sounds of the French Broad River and a thousand katydids. One amazing conversation after another. The honor and pleasure of being interviewed by Krista Tippett of On Being on NPR. Seeing and spending time with dear lifelong friends from the beautiful church in Maryland that was so formative in my life. Hanging out with once-a-year-friends (a special category) with whom you pick up one year right where you left off the last. Hearing encouraging stories. Hearing heartbreaking stories. Watching a dream become a reality. You really should be there next year.

Three highlights (of so many) -
- Getting to know and work with Ani Zonneveld. If you don't know her, her music, or her inspiring leadership in "emerging islam" ... you should investigate.

- Hearing and hanging out with my roommates, Rich Cizik and John Dear.
I first met Richard Cizik in 2004 at the Sandy Cove conference on the environment, and have met him several times since. But last weekend I got to hear him both in public and private, telling the story of what he has experienced over the last several years in bringing to birth the New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good. Rich and I share all the ups and downs of an Evangelical heritage, and he is an inspiring human being.

I have long been an admirer of John Dear, another inspiring human being. (Not the tractor guy, the Jesuit peace guy ...) I had met John several times, and read his autobiography and some of his books, but I hadn't heard him speak or had time just to take a walk and get acquainted. His talk at Wild Goose on what Christians can learn from Gandhi was spectacular. You can read many of John's articles here ... and you should pick up his books too. His book Jesus the Rebel is on the same wavelength as my book The Secret Message of Jesus. I have the feeling that our paths will cross more often in the future.

That's Wild Goose in a nutshell - having an Evangelical activist and a Jesuit activist as roommates.

- Seeing Krista Tippett in action. I've been a fan of Krista's since the first time I heard her NPR show On Faith, which later morphed into On Being, which I listen to "religiously." In a world where we all so often wince when people speak of faith and religion, Krista creates a space that somehow integrates reverence, humility, humor, and humanity ... to speak of things of which we must speak.

10,001 thanks to Gareth Higgins and Rosalee Hardin and all the staff, Board, and especially the amazing volunteers that made Wild Goose possible.


It's about love.

Each summer I have the pleasure of volunteering as a sea turtle monitor here in SW Florida where I live. There are thousands of us around the world who keep track of where sea turtles nest and who in various ways protect and gather data on sea turtles so they can be saved from human destruction ... through poachers, pollution, "by-catch," habitat destruction, and climate change.

Some of us are organized by government agencies, and others of us live in states where the government doesn't really care much about monitoring or protecting, so we are organized through non-profit/non-governmental groups. Here's a great story about a scientist who is working to protect sea turtles in Mexico (be forewarned - there are some disturbing images along with majestic ones):
Last week here in SW Florida, we excavated a hatched nest of a loggerhead sea turtle that had one little guy stuck at the bottom.
We were able to set him free to join his 98 siblings who successfully hatched the night before. Wherever you live, there are habitats, watersheds, and species that need some human advocates ... I hope you'll find one to love.


Links Roundup

I've been with Network of Biblical Storytellers this week, and will be at Wild Goose Festival this weekend. It's still not too late for you to join us in North Carolina!

You'll find a beautiful Christian reflection on sharing a meal with Muslims during Ramadan here. Some of the comments make clear how much articles like these are needed ... a need I hope my latest book (which comes out in paperback in September) contributes.

If you don't know about the brilliant work of Jason Derr, you should. Here's an introduction.


Mesa, Bangkok, and you ...

For my many friends and co-conspirators in the emergent, missional, and progressive christianity conversations ... i just learned that the "early-bird" registration rate for an important gathering in October in Thailand has been extended. It's not cheap to get there, and it's a long flight, but if you feel called to be part of this ... you'll find more information here.


Scapegoating 101

An interpretation of Russian politics, with lessons for all. (Thx Ted S!)

The second easiest thing has been to demonize the “Other,” creating an internal enemy for everyone to fear. Jews are out – Putin, who values loyalty above all, has had an affinity for Jews since childhood, when he was reportedly saved from being beaten up by street kids by a Jewish neighbor. Migrants are out – Russia needs millions of them in order to carry out the mass infrastructure projects that the country needs to keep its economy afloat; and the nationalist card is simply too dangerous to play with anyway. Who’s left? Gays.

Demonizing gays allows Putin to tell the “heartland”: I will protect you and your ‘traditional’ families, you are the real Russia. It also grows suspicion of the liberal opposition, presented as fundamentally “unRussian” as they stand up increasingly for gay rights amid Putin’s growing crackdown. And finally, it allows Russia to do what it does best these days: present itself as Not The West.

It is no accident that Russia is stripping away gay rights as (popular and legal) support for gay marriage in the US and Europe grows. The West is decadent, permissive, and doomed to orgiastic decline. As Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, recently put it: gay marriage is a “dangerous apocalyptic system” that leads a nation “on a path of self-destruction.”

And then there is Russia – not really standing for anything, but standing against a whole lot: gays, liberals, the West. It’s the strategy that Putin has chosen for his own survival.

“I think the most ridiculous questions come up during the decay of an empire,” said Anton Krasovsky, a prominent Russian journalist recently fired for being gay, when asked why the “gay question” had suddenly emerged in Russia. “It’s like when Judeo-Christians were fed to the lions in 3rd century Rome – it’s just the sunset of the empire.”


Links Roundup

For all my Pentecostal friends, here is a website you should know about.

For my Catholic friends - this on the Conservative Catholic and Religious Right alliance ... and this on the new Pope's less strident rhetoric about gay people ... should be of interest.

For my Orthodox friends - you should be aware of the good work of the Orthodox Peace Fellowship. They'll be gathering in DC this October.

Here's an update on the Dream 9 from Red Letter Christians ... especially for American readers.

Friends in the UK - my friend Michael Hardin plans to be on your side of the pond in October-November this fall. Michael is one of the world's top teachers of Rene Girard's mimetic theory. He's been a big influence on me and I recommend him highly. If you'd like to have him speak when he's in the UK, you can contact him here: http://www.preachingpeace.org/

Environmental friends - this beautiful and touching documentary deserves your attention.

Finally, for everybody - Read the Spirit has brought together several interviews with me - I'm a big fan of their work, and I think you'll enjoy these resources.


Well done, Rick and Kay Warren

Since I first heard him speak (I think it was around 1984?), I've had great respect for Rick Warren. His positive attitude, his practical focus, his amazing consistency - they have been an inspiration to me. Rick played a big part in my decision to leave higher education and become a pastor (arguably an even higher form of education) back in the mid-80's. Whenever we've met, I have experienced Rick as a good and gracious man.

I'm deeply impressed by the way he is turning the tragedy of his son's death into a motivation for service, focusing his unparalleled energies on the mission of removing the stigma from mental illness. As someone with a lot of mental illness in my circle of family and friends, I'm grateful that Rick will be leading the way in this important mission.
Well done, Rick and Kay. Well done. (If I can be of help in any way in your ongoing work, just let me know.)


"...The only way to change is to break"

Some great insights from Tony Lorenzen:


Church leaders certainly need to be able to address dysfunction and conflict. It almost seems, however, that our current focus in leadership training assumes sickness is the normative state of our congregational systems. Perhaps resiliency thinking can shift the focus on this just a bit. Perhaps the emphasis can now be about teaching change, failure, risk, and adventure as an intrinsic part of the journey. Thus the systems management and conflict resolution become a way to navigate the ups and downs of church life, not only a way to fix what is broken. Perhaps we can shift towards teaching these things as a way to enable congregations to adapt and bounce back from conflicts, disruptions and controversy.

Spiritual writer Mark Nepo tells a story about a glass blower that emphasizes the importance of resiliency. “The glassblower knows,” he says, “that while in the heat of beginning, any shape is possible. Once hardened, the only way to change is to break.”


About Egypt

I have great respect for the work of Muslim intellectual Dalia Mogahed, co-author with John Esposito of Who Speaks for Islam, an incredibly important book.

The post below is important for several reasons. Obviously, it sheds important light on the dangerous situation in Egypt, especially the stage-management being planned by the military junta, and the subversion of democracy in the name of democracy. It also gives important background on Egyptian prisons (not Afghan caves) as the conceptual birthplace of Al Queda.
Here's the article:

But it is equally interesting to "eavesdrop" on a wise and moderate Muslim voice interacting with someone for whom violence and extremism are becoming more attractive. This reminds me of many conversations I've observed among my fellow Christians.
Quotable (from a social media exchange between Dalia and an Egyptian):

Ali: "They're pushing us to be extremists, if they kept arresting pres. Morsy & refuse every democratic process”
I responded in four parts:
"1. No one can force us to extremism. We have a choice. We must choose Islamic ethics over self defeating impulse. 1/4"
"2. Nothing would please your enemies more. Perfect pretense for mass repression and political exclusion. Choose wisdom. 2/4"
"3. Turning to extremism dishonors the blood of the martyrs. 3/4"
"4. Remember God said 'don't let a people's hatred of you cause you to be unjust.' God rewards patience. 4/4"

"He also said "And if you punish an enemy, punish proportionally to that which you were harmed”[1]"

"Yes, within what is permitted. Responding in like in this case is wrong and unwise. Results disastrous."

"We are dying anyway, u should advise the one who kill not the victim"

"I have. See my timeline. They wish for nothing more than a pretense for more repression. Don't give it to them."

Dalia Mogahed's voice here reminds me of the fine line Jesus walked in the Gospels, between the Sadducees and priestly allies of the Roman regime on the one hand, and the Zealots and Pharisees on the other. She is not counseling passive compliance with injustice, nor is she counseling violent reaction. She's counseling a path of courageous wisdom ...


A reader writes:evolving

Halfway through "A New Kind of Christianity" and I had to stop and contact you. I know I'm learning to "embrace the mystery" and be okay with questions; however your book is giving me answers to all kinds of questions I had! It's wonderful you're using your God-given mind to show seekers like me that there are answers, or better yet alternatives, to the hard questions we ask. One by one you seem to hit all the objections I've had to the God I've been taught. I thank you so much. I believe I'm evolving, just as the way you talk about Christianity evolving, to a deeper knowledge of how God wants us to live. Thanks for helping me on that journey.
So glad you're finding help in the book. Thanks for writing!

Jewish Nationalism and Christian Theology - a Jewish perspective

My friend Robert Cohen writes an important piece for all who care about peace in the Middle East, here. Quotable:

Jews and Christians enjoy tremendous common ground and can build on their shared understanding of a universal God concerned for all of his creation and who demands of us that we love our neighbour and pursue an agenda of justice. Anything done in the name of Christianity or Judaism that is an affront to that calling must be clearly identified or else both traditions are fatally undermined.

Christian partners in Jewish dialogue must acknowledge the very real connection of Judaism with the Holy Land through Jewish prayer, festivals and sacred mythology. On that basis, Israel should be seen as a 'homeland' of Jewish heritage. But that doesn't mean accepting that Zionism is integral to Judaism or that the Jewish population of Israel has the right to create exclusive rights for itself and deny human rights to others.

The return to Jewish nationalism has led the Jewish people down an ethical cul-de-sac. The history that has taken us to this point needs to be understood and acknowledged but the rightness of its outcome must be challenged. To navigate our way out will require a brave dialogue with the Palestinians that turns Israel from a 'Jewish Democracy' to a 'Human Democracy'. Meanwhile, we need sympathetic Christian partners who will help us to reclaim the very values that their own faith is built upon.


Q & R: Progressive Revelation ... or Regressive?

Here's the Q:

I will try to keep this note as brief as possible, but my comment requires providing you with a brief personal background for context: I was raised in a strong fundamentalist home, where I learned all about biblical inerrancy, sola scriptura, and so forth. I accepted this, and because I attributed such importance to the Bible, I determined that I wanted to understand it as best I could. I began studying it in earnest during my undergraduate years (at [a prominent Evangelical university], where the excellent Bible faculty introduced me to biblical criticism) and then went on to get a master's (at [a prominent Catholic university]) and Ph.D. ([at a top secular university]) in Hebrew Bible. During this time I underwent a major paradigm shift in how I view the Bible, which could be described almost perfectly in your terms: I transitioned from a constitutional to a conversational understanding. (Incidentally, I lead church-based Bible studies when possible, and long before encountering your work I used the terminology of "revelation through conversation." I guess I'm not as innovative as I thought...)

Anyway, although theological questions have always driven me personally, my own serious work as a scholar has always been almost entirely historical. Recently, however, a friend introduced me to your A New Kind of Christianity, which I appreciate immensely. It essentially describes my theological/intellectual journey of the past decade, and it has been a fruitful journey that I hope many others take (though perhaps more rapidly and without having to make a career of it). But, as a biblicist, there's one part of your argument that I cannot accept—even though I very much want to. In your discussion of the God question, you respond to objections to the atrocities in which God partakes in the OT by providing an evolutionary model of the human conception of God. By playing the "progressive understanding" card you essentially subjugate the texts that we don't care for much to the NT picture of Jesus, whom we do like a lot. (I apologize for oversimplifying.) I have tried to interpret the Bible similarly, but in the end I find it unsatisfactory because the biblical authors don't always evolve in the right direction. In other words, sometimes they seem to devolve.

Perhaps the best example comes from your following chapters, on Jesus: It seems like some of the latest texts in all Scripture are the apocalyptic bits of the New Testament, for example, Matt 24-25 and Revelation. Here we see a Jesus who is completely out of character with the Jesus of the bulk of the gospels—and, I expect, the historical Jesus—one who is up for smiting the unjust and sending people to eternal punishment. I am not at all persuaded by those who read Revelation non-violently. It comes from a persecuted people who want their oppressors overthrown and punished.

But since I think we disagree on how Revelation should be interpreted, and since I am a far cry from an expert on the New Testament, let me provide an example from within my bailiwick: the law and the prophets. One of the major "discoveries" of biblical scholarship in the last century or so has been the recognition that the law as a historical phenomenon in Israel postdates the prophets. It seems that cries for social justice of Amos, Isaiah, and others were not in response to rampant legalism, as is often thought. If anything, it seems like the legal reforms of Ezra and friends were an attempt to squelch the more tolerant views that prevailed before. This is seriously problematic to a biblical interpretation based on progressive understanding. To cite one example: In the Hebrew Bible we have various texts that welcome foreigners and treat "Israel" as a community of faith, not an ethnic community. One thinks of Elisha with Naaman and Gehazi, Elijah and the widow of Zarephath, Rahab juxtaposed with Achan, etc. On the other hand, we have horrific xenophobic texts, such as the narrative of Phinehas in Num 25 or God's stipulations in Deut 7. It would be great to explain this through your model, except that the xenophobic texts were created in a response to the more palatable, accepting texts. The Israelites' views on this matter, for a while anyway, got significantly worse.

There are several other examples of this throughout the Bible, but this note is already long enough. I'm not sure I actually have a question, except perhaps—how would you respond to this? By the way, I do not have a good answer myself. Dealing with the awful texts of the Bible in a satisfactory way is something that I have struggled to do ever since I began to investigate the Bible carefully, but I fear I have made little progress. I have tried the evolutionary model that you espouse, but I don't think it works.

I hope this doesn't come off as too critical. I'm on board with most of your points. I think you are doing terrific work, and I wish you all the best. I would love any feedback you might have, though I'm certain you are a busy man.

Here's the R: Thanks so much for your note. You raise a number of important specific issues (such as how we deal with Matthew 24-25 and Revelation), but let me first focus on the big question: that the so-called progressive revelation model doesn't fit the best critical scholarship.

In short, I think you're right. That's one reason I try to avoid the term "progressive revelation." The idea of a linear or quasi-linear evolutionary process needs to be replaced with a more dialectic process, where there are two main lines of thought from near the beginning:

A: God created the world as good, and all people (and creatures) are beloved by the Creator. Evil arises from human beings - individuals and groups - failing to rightly honor the goodness of their fellow creatures.
B. The world is divided into the good - us - and the evil - them. We have been granted blessings and life, and they deserve condemnation and death.

If that's the case, then the people sometimes "vote" A and sometimes B. Jesus comes along and votes A. For us to be Christians would mean (among other things) we believe Jesus was right in that assessment.

I think two examples from contemporary culture illustrate how the process works.

First, The US has had an argument similar to the one I propose we find in the Bible:

A. God has created all people equal and endowed all with certain inalienable rights.
B. God has created all white, heterosexual men equal, and everyone else - not so much.

In the 1960's, A made major advances. With Barack Obama's election, even more so. But in the intervening years, especially as white male hegemony has lost ground, we see a resurgence of B - evidenced by attempts at voter suppression, incarceration as "the new Jim Crow," etc. (BTW - just this morning I received a racist email from a white South African, saying that the only mistake of the Afrikaners was that they didn't commit genocide when they had the chance. And last week, some Italians threw bananas at an elected official of African descent, imitating the racist behavior of some Italian soccer fans in recent years.)

Second, the Catholic Church boldly surged ahead through Vatican II. But recent decades evidenced an accelerating retrenchment and regression. Perhaps the new pope will help regain lost ground. Time will tell.

So - even if a group chooses "A," its descendants may opt for "B." The old temptation to racial, religious, caste, class, or national supremacy is always an option ... which is one reason (of many) why Jesus' life and teaching are always needed. Let me know how that works for you. I'll have to come back to Matt 24-25 and Revelation another time.

One more thing. I'm just finishing the first draft of my next book, which will be called We Make the Road By Walking: A Quest for Spiritual Formation, Reorientation, and Activation. It is written in the form of 52+ sermons that attempt to give a coherent overview from Genesis to Revelation. Working on this challenging project has reinforced to me even more powerfully how important the question you're raising is. We need to articulate a better way of reading the Bible; otherwise, it will be used in the future as it has been in the past as a divine justification for "B."


War and peace ...

Fascinating new finding on war in human history ...

The findings, Soderberg said, challenge "the idea that war was ever-present in our ancestral past."

The study, "paints another picture where the quarrels and aggression were primarily about interpersonal motives instead of groups fighting against each other," said Soderberg.


More on Trayvon Martin

When I posted on the Trayvon Martin case a few weeks back, I expected I would receive a lot of push-back. I was a little surprised about how few people seemed to be responding to what I actually said. I suppose whenever our preferred narrative is challenged, we human beings tend to react somewhat ... reactively.

Anyway, Andrea Smith, a scholar and activist I met through NAITTS, shared the following in an email. I thought it was so helpful that I asked permission to share it. I hope you'll help disseminate her important insights:

Florida’s standard [for jury instructions] is the same as the majority of states. The standard is most states is that no one has a duty to retreat if they reasonably believe their life is in danger.... Except for in the state of Ohio, once the defense introduces any evidence of possible self-defense, the prosecution must disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt (Ohio, situates self-defense as an affirmative defense to be proven by the defendant). So ... Florida’s position is the majority and not the minority position in the United States. Thus, the actual thing that is usually attacked in self-defense is not whether someone retreated, but whether one had a “reasonable” belief. Here, it should have been an “unreasonable belief” in which case, this would have been imperfect self-defense which is voluntary manslaughter. The problem is, what gets constituted as “reasonable belief” is very much based on race, gender and class.
The problem with the legal reform strategy that as the case of Marissa Alexander demonstrates, one cannot presume that laws are uniformly applied. The fiction of legal equality presumes that all peoples are equally situated within this country. Gender, Racial and class distinctions are presumed to be in the realm of “personal” an “private” bias that is supposed to beyond the reach of the law. As the long as the law claims to be neutral, it is not concerned if individuals or systems inequitably apply the law. In fact, as seen in a multitude of Supreme Court cases on discrimination, the law is expressly prohibited from taking systemic inequality into consideration.
Thus, while self-defense laws are interpreted generously when applied to white men who feel threatened by Black men or men of color, it is applied very narrowly to women, particularly women of color who are trying to protected themselves in domestic violence cases. Compare the case of Anthony Simon with Peggy Stewart. Anthony Simon shot and killed his neighbor, Steffen Wong in an unprovoked attack in 1982. His claim of self-defense rested on the ground that because Wong was Asian, Simon was afraid he must know martial arts. Simon was acquitted.

Peggy Stewart, meanwhile was systematically tortured and beaten by her husband. Her husband sexually abused her daughters and put a shotgun to Peggy’s head when she tried to protect her daughters. When she killed her husband, the State Supreme Court of Kansas found she did not have adequate grounds to claim self-defense.

A simple change in self-defense standards will not change the systemic inequity. Thus in terms of short-term legal strategies, it might be more useful to call for an overhaul of U.S. discrimination law. Now, it only addresses cases of discriminatory intent. Instead, we can call on the U.S. to at the very least be consistent with international human rights standards and address discriminatory impact. In addition, currently, the state only has a negative duty to avoid engaging in acts of discrimination. We could call on the U.S to recognize international legal standards that mandate that states take proactive measures to end discrimination.


links roundup

A sage article about Egypt by John Esposito. Quotable:

The Arab uprisings signaled a desire for a new way forward, an overthrow of the established order in many Arab countries of authoritarian governments, and a struggle to establish a new kind of democracy. A military-backed coup is clearly a return to the past. Egypt’s first democratically elected president was bound to make mistakes, due to the "democratic deficit" in both systems and culture as a result of decades of authoritarian rule.

And here's an excellent interview with John on Christianity and Islam.

Here's another positive review of the book Men Pray to which I wrote the introduction.

Here's a live-stream interview I did with Living Stream recently.


An International Conversation

For several years, I've had a front-row seat watching parallel networks developing in Africa, Latin America, Asia, Europe, and North America. Although these networks are different in many ways, they also have much in common, in that they bring together a new generation of Christian leaders who are pioneering new paths of Christian formation, identity, theology, and mission. The name "mesa" - meaning "table" in Spanish - was chosen as the name for a central hub connecting these networks. After several years of growing connection through the internet, phone calls, skype, and in-person visits, representatives from these networks are coming together later this year. Catholic and Protestant, Evangelical/Pentecostal and Mainline, descendants of the colonized and the colonizers, those coming together share a commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ, centered in his good news of the reign or commonwealth of God, expressed as good news to the poor and vulnerable.

As an expression of that shared commitment, our time will begin with a shared experience with local farmers, working with them in the rice fields. Then we will spend a day in silence and prayer, and then we will move into conversation together.

Grace and I will be there, and there is space for a limited number of others who feel called to support and encourage this global collaborative. If you feel a pull in your heart to be part of this, you can learn more here and here.

October 24-30 in Bangkok, Thailand

Tickets A, B, C and D commences 24 October, 2013 - Limited to 40 people.
In the spirit of Mesa we will work together alongside the local people in their rice fields during the day as a basis for our prayer and conversation. Please plan to arrive to Bangkok airport no later than 12 noon on Thursday 24 October to allow time to clear customs and join our 2pm bus to Lopburi. Here we will be hosted by the local community for two nights. If you arrive the night before we will suggest local hotels where you can make your own arrangements to stay. Bangkok airport is easily located with train access to the city.
We will then travel to Pattaya for a day of prayer followed by conversation and friendship. The agenda will be shaped by participants and the survey undertaken by those who have expressed interest in these gatherings.
We will conclude at dinner on the 30th of November. Breakfast will be provided on the 31st for those who require it. The conference bus will depart Pattaya for the airport 8:30am on Thursday 31 November and you will be able to catch planes from Bangkok airport departing from 12 noon onwards.
We will be staying in Pattaya in twin share rooms. There are a limited number of single rooms available for an additional cost.
Tickets E, F and G
Commences 26 October, 2013
Join the group following our time in Lopburi for a day of prayer followed by conversation and friendship. Please plan to arrive to Bangkok airport no later than 8:30 am on 26 October to allow time to clear customs and join our10:30am bus to Pattaya. If you arrive the night before we will suggest local hotels where you can make your own arrangements to stay. Bangkok airport is easily located with train access to the city.
The agenda will be shaped by participants and the survey undertaken by those who have expressed interest in these gatherings.
We will conclude at dinner on the 30th of November. Breakfast will be provided on the 31st for those who require it. The conference bus will depart Pattaya for the airport 8:30am on Thursday 31 November and you will be able to catch planes from Bangkok airport departing from 12 noon onwards. Anyone wishing to depart earlier will need to make their own arrangements.
We will be staying in Pattaya in twin share rooms.
The cost includes all meals, transfers and accomodation.
Prices are in $US

There is no easy way to price an event such as this. We have no external funding sources for this event. We are seeking to subsidise those from the majority world. At the same time we realise that many people who may wish to attend, choose to live simply or are from the minority world but live the majority world and some countries have 'dual' economies with some living in majority world circumstances and some minority. We basically trust you! Please contact us if you have any questions.You can find the link to the World Factbook which list per person purchasing power at https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
If you are able to make a donation to assist others to participate you can do so at https://www.egivingsystems.org/19113 and choosing Mesa Network as the purpose of the gift.
For more information please see our website http://www.mesa-friends.org/
Optional Add-on - Limited to 10 people
Join Rachel Gobel from The SOLD Project www.thesoldproject.org. and travel to northern Thailand to see their work and the work of other agencies to prevent child prostitution through culturally relevant programs for vulnerable children and to share their stories to empower creative, compassionate people to act.


In sea turtle news ...

God loves all creatures ... and all of us get to join God in loving at least some of them. Some of us specialize in dogs or cats ... others specialize in birds or elephants or even the lowly turtle. Where I live in SW Florida, we have loggerhead and kemp's ridley sea turtles nesting on our beaches. Another reason to love NPR - they cover turtle news.


Humbled and honored

I was humbled and honored to receive the Hero of Hope award from Cathedral of Hope in Dallas, TX. Here's the video they showed (just over 3 minutes) ...

Hero of Hope 2013 - Brian McLaren from CoHTV on Vimeo.

And here's my sermon (about 16 minutes):

What Does Salvation Mean? - Rev. Brian D. McLaren, 2013 Hero of Hope from CoHTV on Vimeo.


Big Consequences. Big Opportunities. Big Choices.

I don't often engage in prediction, but here's one I can venture to make, not as prognostication, but as warning and call to action. American Christians of all denominations and races are going to choose between four widely diverging paths in the decade ahead.

The first road - wide and well-paved - invites its travelers to double down on the subtly morphing agenda of the Religious Right. Under a so-called pro-life, pro-family, pro-security, anti-debt, anti-immigrant flag, people on this road will be enlisted to return the US to the glorious old America they or their grandparents knew and loved: the rural or small-town America of the Old South in the pre-Civil Rights era.

Camouflaged beneath the heart-warming rhetoric of a seemingly moral, patriotic, and traditional agenda, many will be tricked into supporting a covert agenda reflecting a very different morality:

- maintaining privilege for a shrinking White majority at the expense of everyone else
- plundering the environment and thus stealing health and well-being from future generations
- weakening public education
- continuing a historic transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor people to the super-elite at the top of the economic pyramid
- weakening democracy through gerrymandering and voter suppression
- and more

The second road is even broader and smoother than the first. On this highway, moderates will want to distance themselves - at least slightly - from what their brethren to the right are doing to their Catholic and Protestant Christian identities - driving away younger generations, making outreach nearly impossible, attracting only aggressive and fearful people who want a religious justification for their reactive ideologies. As moderates become increasingly uncomfortable with this drift, they will take a road that they claim is "spiritual" and a-political. But contrary to their intention, their silence will mean tacit approval for the momentum built by their brethren to the right. But silence or very tepid critique will be the best they can muster, because they can't afford to criticize or break from their brethren to the right for fear of splitting churches and losing members and donations.

The third road will be taken by those who decide that religious engagement with public policy is a lost cause, spoiled by the Religious Right. They will take the exit ramp to another highway - that of the secular left. This is an old road in need of much repair, but more and more are taking it, and new lanes are under construction now.

There's a fourth road ... and it's being pioneered by Christians in many places - from Immokalee, Florida, to North Carolina to a bus full of nuns that traveled around the country, where leaders like Rev. Dr. William Barber are stepping out to chart a new course. Only people with courage and determination can choose this option because it is an uphill and difficult path. Here's the kind of vision (from Rev. Dr. William Barber) that attracts people to this road ...

Love and justice have never lost. Been crucified and beat up, but we’re on the right side of history. When you push people down, they’re going to spread out and come up. It would seem that these folk would learn that, but when you’re blinded by extremism and power and greed, you can’t see the callousness of your actions.

The worst kind of abuse is the abuse of power. But if the Biblical story is about anything, it’s that Goliath only has a day. The Pharaoh only has a limited time. The non-violent and the people of deep faith always transform history. And we’ll do it again, right here in North Carolina.

Big consequences. Big opportunities. Big choices.


I'll be in Dallas this weekend ...

Speaking at Life in the Trinity Saturday (You're invited) -

And at Cathedral of Hope Sunday. (You're invited there too!)


Wise Advice for Western Theologians

From a Middle Eastern theologian. Quotable:

The first [example] is the sloppy phrase of 'contextual theology' used for the writings of non-Western Christians. Works of African, Asian, Latin American and Middle Eastern theologians are designated as ‘contextual’ whereas works of British or American theologians are marked as ‘theology’, as if they were not also products of their context, as if they do theology outside of parameters of a language, culture and preferred methodologies of interpretation and application. This grants Western theology a supra-contextual status and relegates non-Western theology to an inferior, semi-theology status. Obviously, such a classification is not empirical, but merely a sad reflection of how Western Christians see themselves in relation to the rest of the world.


Q & R: Responding Charitably

Here's the Q:

Thanks for posting this on your blog. If you ever have the chance, I could use some direction on learning to respond charitably to fellow Christians who write/say hurtful things that seem to be damaging to the cause of Christ. I was very humbled by the non-defensive posture you take in conversation as evinced in WDJMBMCTR. I'm about 50/50 voice to voice or person to person, but have a much poorer track record in the blogosphere (i.e., commenting/interacting online).

Any light you can shed on the subject matter would be great. Thanks for all you do.

Here's the R:
This question deserves a lot more than a short blog post. But here are five quick thoughts.
1. Sometimes, no response is needed. People are expressing their opinion, which they are free to do. Sadly, sometimes they disguise that opinion as fact. That is especially hurtful when they declare your motives. (I think of one high-profile author who disagreed with my interpretation of Scripture, so his proclamation? "Brian hates the Bible." Sheesh.) To me, this is primarily a private, spiritual matter - something we process with God when we pray, "Forgive us our wrongs as we forgive those who wrong us." It's not something that needs to be dealt with in public discourse.

Often, especially online, people react in your post to things you never actually said. I felt that about my recent post on the Trayvon Martin verdict that got picked up a sojo.net and a few other places. We all could be kept busy 24/7 doing nothing more than correcting others' non-sequiters, inartful reading, and unwarranted conclusions (and others could do the same for us). When this occurs, if we respond at all, it's wise, I think, to agree with them where you can rather than pointing out where they mistakenly disagreed with you, since the latter often engenders defensiveness. But again, I usually choose not to respond at all.
2. It is important to choose wisely in who will be your conversation partners. Some people are paid to represent a cause or view, and for them to engage in honest, constructive dialogue would in a sense violate their contract. Their paid job is to advocate, not communicate. Often, off-line private communication is best with people in this category. When they're doing their job, they provide a lot of material for you to work with - to say, "Some people say ... but here's how I see it.... and here's why."
3. When responding to criticism, I think it's important to treat your critic as you wish your critic had treated you. In other words - far more important than you defending yourself (a dangerous enterprise) is you modeling a better way of communication. Sometimes a clarifying comment helps - offered non-defensively. Instead of, 'You misrepresented me,' something like, "I want to clarify my actual perspective on this...."
4. Often, I find the most realistic goal in an interchange to achieve disagreement agreeably. In other words, for you to be able to express your counterpart's view in words your counterpart can say, "Yes, that's what I believe," and vice versa. This, to me, is an expression of loving your neighbor as yourself.
5. So often, our communication efforts are compromised by our fear of losing. I think we would be wise to cultivate another fear - a fear of winning at our counterpart's expense. Even though I think many ideas are destructive and need to be confronted directly, I never want to hurt the person who holds those ideas. I would like to be able to feel a sincere smile on my face when I see a conversation partner in person ... because I have reached a place in my heart where I truly love and like the person with whom I disagree.

So - those are some starters. I must quickly say that I have only reached these suggestions because I have failed at fulfilling them too often. In other words, I arrived at these conclusions through trial and error, and continue to try and err every day. But that's life!


Trayvon and George: A Tale of Two Americas

The recent “not guilty” verdict out of Sanford, FL, reflects the principle of the American legal system that if there is reasonable doubt, courts will err on the side of innocence. I dispute neither the principle nor the decision by the jury. But that doesn't leave me satisfied about the outcome.

Jesus said that true justice exceeds that of “the scribes and Pharisees” - and the same could be said of the prosecution and defense. Legal justice seeks only to assign guilt or innocence. Holistic justice works for the life, liberty, and well-being of all. And it especially works for reconciliation between the two Americas that can be identified by their reaction to the case.

One America now has more reason to believe that their sons can be presumed guilty until proven innocent without a reasonable doubt when they’re walking down the street armed only with Skittles and an iced tea.

The other America now has more reason to believe that they can get away with murder, or something close to it, as long as the victim is young and black and wearing a hoodie.

One America now has less reason to believe that their sons will have equal protection under the law.

The other America is more secure in its right to “stand its ground” and will be even more determined to carry concealed weapons - and use them.

One America is threatened by the "reasonable doubt" that protects the other.

One America watches as the other America expands their gun rights while reducing protections for its own voting rights.

The other America sincerely believes their own gun rights are more threatened than their counterparts’ voting rights.

One America feels its story is always told beginning with point two - in this case, with an unarmed teenager in an altercation, not with point one, an armed adult pursuing an unarmed teenager.

The other America considers point one irrelevant to the case, and therefore not worth talking about.

One America is scandalized that an armed adult would assess as a threat an innocent, unarmed teenager walking down the street.

The other America is scandalized that anyone would consider the armed adult as anything other than innocent and justified in that assessment.

Members of both Americas are coming together to form an emerging America that wants something better for all Americans. That emerging America wants us to deal deeply and honestly with our largely untreated, unacknowledged American original sin: a cocktail of white privilege, manifest destiny, and racism - in both its personal and institutional forms.

That emerging America believes that the best world is one where people multiply plowshares and pruning hooks, not swords and spears. Or in contemporary terms - one where people multiply community playgrounds and parks, not guns and drones.

That emerging America wants to bring people of all races, religions, regions, parties, and classes together in a common pursuit: a nation and world where there is equal liberty and justice for all.

Emerging America is disgusted by political parties that win by dividing America through wedge issues, and then can blame the other side when they have rendered the nation so polarized as to be ungovernable.

Emerging America is equally disgusted by cable channels and religious organizations that collude with those political parties at every turn - because fear and wedge-ry not only win elections, they rake in profits.

Emerging America doesn’t love Trayvon and hate George, or love George and hate Trayvon. Emerging America owns both Trayvon and George as their beloved sons, their Cain and Abel, their Jacob and Esau, their older and younger sons in Jesus’ most famous (but often worst-interpreted) parable. That’s why Emerging America is heartbroken about the recent verdict.

But we will not let our hearts break apart in sharp and dangerous shards of resentment and shrapnel of fear. With God's help, we will let the pain of love break our hearts open in renewed hunger and thirst for true justice and peace ... for all people, equal and indivisible.


links roundup

My friend and musical collaborator Tracy Howe just put together a gorgeous and meaningful collection of songs to support the 1000 Days movement. David Wilcox's version of a song Aaron Strumpel and I wrote is included. Cool!


Live stream later today

If you'd like to watch a live-stream of the panel I'll be part of later today with Fr. James Alison, you can log on here:
We'll start at about 5 pm Eastern/4 Central/etc. You can log on 30 minutes earlier.


Q & R: Reincarnation

Here's the Q:

Hello I am a avid follower of yours and am very grateful for all the work you do. My place of spirituality would not exist without the help of your books. They have inspired me to re-think the things I had always been scared to think about and ask questions to get to deeper meanings of things. Thank you.

So speaking of line pushing questions that inspires a lot of fear in most, is the question of re-incarnation. I understand that this question is as controversial as they come, so other than just straight debate that goes no where with either my christian, new-age, or buddhist friends, I thought I'd bring this question to you. Of all the authors I've read, of all the scholars I've spoken with, I believe you would be the only one I could really respect for a thoughtful response.

So here we are, the question is of re-incarnation. From my understanding in the prophecy of both the coming of the Christ and the Return of Christ both involve another character. Elijah. It was said in both prophesies that the Messiah would be proceeded by the return of Elijah. What do you think that means? When the disciples asked Jesus what was meant by this, I believe His answer said something like, "I say to you Elijah has come already." I believe He also said Something like, "For all the prophets and the law have promised until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come."

By several statements made by Jesus himself regarding this matter it seems there is some belief by the early church that re-incarnation was an accepted reality. I do also understand that this may be limited to the story of Christ and the prophecies and all. However, the question can't stop coming to mind... If it is a possibility, if it has been done and accepted before, then why is it so out of the question now? Why now if I even consider the possibility and start asking questions about it am I considered a New-age radical Heretic. Like I said, You are one of the only outside influences that I can really respect. My own inside voice keeps telling me something but I really need another opinion.

I understand that you have countless questions to answer on a constant but I do believe this question is an important one. Even if you don't answer on your blog if you could even send me some resources where I can use the practice of Lectio Divina to truly find out for myself it would be most appreciated. Thank you so much for your time.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. Your question points out that in biblical times, as today, there were thousands of interpretations and theories and superstitions and amalgamations of the previous three. Which raises this question: just because a belief existed in a biblical writer's mind, does that make it legit and orthodox? Of course the answer must be no. I imagine that in many biblical writers' minds was the belief that the universe is three tiered - the underworld, the world, and the heavens. I'm glad we aren't pressured to think that way now.

Having said that, I think we often "mis-underestimate" the ancient mind. We assume our ancestors were as literalistic as our readings of them. My suspicion is that many of our distant ancestors were far wiser than we, in the sense that they knew how little they knew, and they knew that their language and imagery were "fingers pointing to the moon" and not the moon itself. I think they were more poets and mystics, and less technicians of language than modern technicians of interpretation are able to discern.

I also suspect that the difference between more literalist thinkers and more symbolic or metaphorical thinkers was as real in the past as in the present. So I wouldn't assume that all Jews thought the same about something in biblical times any more than any of us do today. But they did have certain shared parameters - a paradigm, if you will - and I think theirs was quite different than what we might have found in the Indian subcontinent (or in some passages of Plato).

I doubt that many if any Jews believed Elijah would be reincarnated - i.e. that the substance of his soul would transmigrate into a baby's body in which to live another lifespan before transmigrating elsewhere. It's more likely, from what I understand, that they may have believed Elijah - who, according to the text, never died but was taken to heaven in a fiery chariot - had returned in the same body he left with.

Others may have believed that what the times needed was someone who came "in the spirit and power of Elijah." Not a literal reincarnation or return, but someone who did in their time what Elijah had done in his own. This would be like those who speak of us needing a new Harry Truman or Martin Luther or St. Benedict today. They don't mean a reincarnated soul of these departed leaders - they just mean someone who is like them.

Your question especially interests me because the book I'm writing right now - btw, the title will be We Make the Road by Walking - offers a reading of the Elijah and fiery chariot text that is quite different - more poetic, I guess you'd say. That's all I'll say for now ...

BTW - I recently read an article by a contemporary Buddhist who is arguing that Buddhists need to leave behind the old paradigm of reincarnation because it makes dualistic assumptions about body and soul that are no longer tenable. Interesting times, eh?


Atlanta, Iowa

I'm with college ministers in Atlanta today and will be on a panel with my friend James Alison at the Colloquium on Violence and Religion in Cedar Falls, Iowa, on Saturday. Faith formation for young adults and the intersection between faith, violence, and ecology - these are issues of highest importance for me, so this is a week I've been looking forward to for a long time.


Q & R: Commentaries

Here's the Q:

Hi Brian, I wonder if you can recommend any good commentaries on the Hebrew Scriptures? I have tended to avoid reading these apart from the well known stories and poetic sections as I find them too hard to understand. My bible study group wants to look at Esther...This is making me panicky! Do you have any suggestions? many thanks

Here's the R:
I'd start with three resources:
1. Walter Brueggemann.
2. Paul Nuechterlein's Girardian Lectionary. (You have to find where a passage is used in the Revised Common Lectionary ... then look it up in the site index.)
3. You can also find Jewish Bible commentaries online. I think it's a good idea for Christians to take more seriously the ways Jewish scholars read the text.
Hope that helps!


Q & R: Slides?

Here's the Q;

I didn’t take notes during your sermon on Friday of the Festival because I knew you almost always post your slides after the fact.

But I can’t find your slides related to the Beatitudes – and would really like to review them again! Can you help?

Here's the R:
Sorry for the delay - it's up now on my Slideshare page, under the title Getting Blessed.


For all who work with children and youth -

Readers of this blog know that I've been an enthusiastic supporter of fresh and creative efforts to design curriculum for children and youth. I was an enthusiastic participant in the May 2012 Children, Youth, and a New Kind of Christianity conference. For all who share this desire for fresh approaches to ministry with kids and youth ... I have good news to report:

After the huge turnout at their conference last year, “Children, Youth, and a New Kind of Christianity” has rebranded itself as Faith Forward. My friend, Dave Csinos, and his team are busy planning a 2014 Faith Forward gathering, which will continue the movement that began at the 2012 CYNKC conference. It’s going to be May 19-22, 2014 in Nashville, TN. I’ll be there – along with Phyllis Tickle, Rabbi Sandy Sasso, Andrew Root, and many others. And I hope you’ll join us too. To learn more, like the Faith Forward facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/faithfwd), follow them on twitter (https://twitter.com/FaithForwardNet), or check out their new website – http://www.faith-forward.net/. Spread the word and let others know about this important gathering.
I was also glad to contribute to two resources that came out of last year’s CYNKC conference.
The first is a podcast series available at www.woodlakebooks.com/podcasts.
The second is a book that’s going to be released in August – Faith Forward: A Dialogue on Children, Youth, and a New Kind of Christianity. Dave Csinos and Melvin Bray pulled together 21 of the best presentations from the 2012 CYNKC conference into a book that has already received rave reviews from leaders around the world and across theological traditions. More info is at http://faith-forward.net/media/book/

I hope you’ll be able to join us in Nashville for the 2014 Faith Forward gathering. If it was anything like last year’s CYNKC conference, then you won’t want to miss it.

Would you forward this to anyone and everyone you know who is committed to ministry among kids and youth?

Here's the press release from Faith Forward:

New Name, New Gathering, New, Podcasts, New Book
Faith Forward (formerly Children, Youth, and a New Kind of Christianity) is excited to announce that the 2014 Faith Forward gathering will be in Nashville, TN, May 19-22, 2014. Save the date and join us for four days of creativity, innovation, and collaboration toward new approaches for nurturing faith in children and youth. Speakers include Phyllis Tickle, Rabbi Sandy Eisenberg Sasso, Melvin Bray, Brian McLaren, Andrew Root, and many others.

In the meantime, take a look at the new Faith Forward website at www.faith-forward.net, listen to newly-released podcasts from last year’s CYNKC conference at www.woodlakebooks.com/podcasts, and check out the book from the 2012 CYNKC conference at http://faith-forward.net/media/book/.


BTW - here's a beautiful video from Brandy Walker who is grappling with these issues as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWTIYTSq_6g&feature=youtu.be


Q & R:Interfaith Marriages

Here's the Q:

I am White British and am married to a British Nigerian. We are both Christians but faced a lot of hostility from one of our families when we got married. The relationships damaged at that time have still not healed although some of the opposition to our decision to marry has reduced. Due to this experience, I have always been very welcoming and accepting to others who are facing similar situations. A friend of ours is engaged to somebody from another racial and religious community. My husband and I have accepted this without any questions. For us, although we can't find scripture to back up our stance, feel in our hearts that to do anything but support them and love them wholeheartedly would be wrong. We would be really interested to find out what you think about interfaith relationships. I have only ever heard totally condemning biblical approaches to these sorts of relationships. I was wondering if you felt there was another way of looking at it? Thanks for taking the time to read my email.

Here's the R:
First, thanks for raising this important issue. Whenever an interfaith marriage happens, the widespread inter-religious hostilities that I wrote about in my most recent book become localized in one couple and two extended families. The same goes whenever an inter-racial marriage happens. In your case, the fact that both of your families were Christian didn't overcome the racial issues in the minds of some family members.

The fact that religion and race are often overlapping "identity tents" (an image I use in the book) reminds us how our identities are complex and multi-layered - and conflicted. That makes for drama, tension, and pain, as you well know, but it also makes possible a concrete expression of healing and love. Every time previously prejudiced parents learn to love a son-in-law or daughter-in-law of another race or religion, and every time they become passionate lovers and defenders of their grandchildren, I believe we take a step forward as humanity ... into a greater recognition that we are all, in fact, related - whatever our race, nationality, religion, class, etc. And every time a couple whose parents don't fully accept them manage to continue to show love and patience to their parents - trusting in time that they will come around - that's a step forward too.

When it comes to marriage - surely one of life's most monumental decisions - there are risks, costs, benefits, and surprises implicit in every proposal and acceptance. My many friends in interfaith marriages - including several friends who are pastors - can speak about all the risks and costs as well as the benefits and surprises. I just read the manuscript of an excellent book written by a Christian author and a rabbi who are married to one another - it's called Mixed-Up Love and will be available in October. Here's a quote about the book:

Dating, commitment, kids, and family-it's all hard work, and it's not made any easier when you come from different religious backgrounds. Jon M. Sweeney, a Catholic spiritual writer, and Michal Woll, a Reconstructionist rabbi, live out the challenges of an interfaith relationship everyday as husband and wife and parents to their daughter, Sima, who is being raised Jewish. In MIXED-UP LOVE, the couple explores how interfaith relationships can affect dating, family functions, proposals, weddings, raising children, and rituals of birth, life, and death.

To me, when you and your husband show love and support to another couple who is being rejected by their families, you are living out your Christian commitment to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Perhaps God will enable you to be peacemakers in a conflicted situation. At the very least, you will be friends to a couple who needs some friends now more than ever.

One more thought. At the end of the day, it's essential to remember that acceptance doesn't depend on approval. Whether or not you approve of someone's decisions, you can still accept them as a person. I think we will become more Christ-like people when we learn to extend full and deep acceptance of others regardless of our approval of their behavior.


A reader writes: putting books to work in creative ways

A reader writes ...

Am always amazed at how one thing can make a difference in other areas. So wanted to share with you how one of your book chapters was the starting place for 2 presentations given in the last 6 months. I know you are a busy person, so will be brief. Our Presbyterian church in NC has a book study group. We read Adventures in Missing the Point in 2011. We had a great time discussing the different chapters. Then I was cochair for the program committee for our annual Women's Retreat in Sept 2012. I kept remembering the Dorothy leadership chapter. So our committee developed a two part presentation on One Body of Christ and how you as an individual can be a leader in your own world. We used the concepts of "us" and the "other" to discuss One Body and then used your chapter on Dorothy as the basis for the skills you need to be a leader. And since the chapter is online, we were able to use it as a handout as well. We had a very cool powerpoint presentation and used clips from the actual movie to bring the info to life. I mentioned it to a coworker and she wanted to have the presentation for her church women's group at a Baptist Church in the area. Our committee took the program on the road. We had about 50 women at each presentation. We were so in awe at how reading a book together would influence the program for our retreat (a different group of people) and then would be shared and well received with another church (another completely different group). Thanks so much Brian - we had a great time being inspired by your work and then sharing it with others. Keep writing. You just never know where it will make a difference. PS. Hoping to have a group work on Animate Faith too.

It's so encouraging to hear ways that people use books to promote learning in a variety of ways and settings. Thanks for sharing -


comic relief


A reader writes: labels, methodology, and one package

A reader writes:

Thank you for taking the time to talk to us in London via Skype last weekend. I’ve just read today’s blog post, “Q & R: How Would You Define You, Part 2”, and wanted to offer a couple of thoughts to put in the melting pot.

The first is on terminology. Several weeks ago the phrase “open conversational Christianity” dropped into my head while I was shaving; it has been going around there ever since. The term seems to offer a useful summary the new kind of Christianity.

- Open: open to all without us judging who’s in and out.
- Conversational: approaching the Bible as a conversation, continued in an open, welcoming, non-aggressive conversation today.
- Christianity: Jesus at the centre and (among much else) our reference point.

None of the descriptions we have at present is ideal, and I humbly offer this one for consideration.

My second thought is related. I wonder if there is a need for a clearer distinction between methodology (perhaps summarized in the three points above) and conclusions (gender, sexuality, environment, war/peace, new expressions of church, etc.). At the moment, all of this is presented as one package—take it or leave it. Many people will find aspects of the package that they are not yet ready to accept and will then retreat into the safety of what they know.

I wonder if giving a little more distinction to the methodology gives the possibility of taking more people with us. Particularly the conversational view of the Bible (when presented clearly as an honest and “high” view of scripture) can appeal both to grass-roots conservatives who know something isn’t quite right in their beliefs and to liberals who seek some firmer basis for their beliefs. Beyond that we are in unknown territory, where everything is on the table for discussion. With these new ways of thinking and interacting, attitudes will gradually change, even if they take a generation or two to do so.

My view on this is influenced by my own 20-year quest, which started as a search for the intellectual integrity of a consistent approach to the Bible, and it may not apply to everyone. Right now, I am just glad to find that I am not alone and that so many other people have been on similar quests. It seems that separate strands are now being bound together into a stronger rope.

Thanks for your feedback and comments. The problem of labels is tough. And it should probably be that way for reasons your suggest later in your note. People are at many different places, in motion, in terms of what we might call theological methodology and in terms of a whole range of conclusions, just as you point out. For that reason, I think it's going to be really hard to label what's happening for the foreseeable future. But I would be glad to be wrong on this.


A reader writes: My favorite book!

A reader writes:

Your book " The Secret Message of Jesus is my favorite book! It has helped me refocus my whole life's perspective toward seeing, sharing and bringing in the Kingdom. I reread it at least once a year.

I'm so glad to hear that. I think Secret Message of Jesus is one of the best introductions to my work for people who have never read anything by me before. Thanks for the encouragement!


Q & R: DOMA and the word "marriage"

Here's the Q:

Recently read your book another kind of Christianity and it made me think a lot. Also challenged some of my traditional conservative beliefs.

One thing it did was show me that there were classes of people I just did not like. But Jesus loved everyone !

Another thing was love for gay people that I did not have before. It amazes me how God can Change or hearts.

I was wondering with all the DOMA court rulings that a compromise would be to let same sex couples get together calling it something besides marriage BUT with the same rights as opposite sex marriage.

To me there is some validity that for thousands of yrs marriage was opposite sex and changing that to me is like changing the meaning of the color red to blue.

I truly want to know your thoughts and if I am way off on this (still prejudging)

Here's the R:
Thanks for your note. On the use of the word marriage, I think both sides have a point. Conservatives realize that if a word other than marriage were used, their fellow conservatives could more easily accept something that a few decades ago they never would have accepted. Progressives realize that if the word is withheld, it keeps gay couples in a second-class status.

While you're right that "for thousands of years marriage was opposite sex," the truth is for thousands of years polygamy was considered normative and acceptable. In fact, it was mandated in the Bible under certain circumstances. And it's also true that many cultures had a respected place for gay and lesbian people.

The argument from tradition certainly has some value and lots of appeal. But it has been discredited pretty often in the past. For example ...

For thousands of years, slavery was the bedrock of all "successful" large economies.
For thousands of years, women were considered inferior and were not granted equal rights to men - in family, community, church, business, or state.
For thousands of years in many cultures, domestic violence was considered acceptable and normative.
For thousands of years, mentally ill people were stigmatized, as were "the racially other."
For hundreds (really, well over 1000) years, the Christian religion was strongly anti-Semitic.

Gregory of Nyssa said that sin is essentially a refusal to grow, and I think, in many ways, he is right. One narrative looks around and says that every day, in every way, the world is getting worse. Another narrative looks around and says that every day, in every way, the world is getting better. A wiser narrative might be - every day, and in every way, we are always negotiating between regression, stagnation, stability, and growth.

That's why I would rather say that our strongest and best tradition is a willingness to learn, change, and grow. To be carefully and wisely progressive is - traditional in the best sense.


The Supreme Court Last Week

There was a lot of attention, deservedly so, about the Court's decisions last week in relation to marriage equality. There was less attention about a disturbing decision made by the court regarding the Voting Rights Act. This NYT graphic shows why the voting rights act matters and why the Court's decision last week opens the way for a resurgence of racism. All of us who believe that all people, regardless of race, are God's beloved children need to prepare ourselves to speak up, speak out, stand up, and get out on the streets when necessary, as many are already doing.

My friend Joshua DuBois' article on black men in America could not be more timely. Quotable (the whole article is incredibly important):

THE EARLIEST chapter in that story is a tough one. I’d rather skip it. You’d rather that I skip it. But as Ralph Ellison once remarked, channeling Faulkner, our complicated racial past is “a part of the living present”; it’s a past that “speaks even when no one wills to listen.”

The facts are a bit overwhelming, but not in much dispute. Africans were imported to the United States as purchased goods beginning around 1620. By 1770, when Crispus Attucks, a free black man, spilled the first drop of blood in the cause of the American Revolution, nearly 18 percent of the American population—almost 700,000 people—were slaves. By the time of the Emancipation Proclamation, that number had exploded to over 4 million.
Beneath these sterile facts lay a grisly reality. Blacks were systemically dehumanized for hundreds of years, a practice that had unique social and psychological effects on men. They were worked and whipped in fields like cattle. Any semblance of pride, any cry for justice, any measure of genuine manhood was tortured, beaten, or sold out of them. Marriage was strictly prohibited. Most were forbidden from learning to read and write. The wealth derived from their labor—the massive wealth derived from cotton, our chief export throughout much of the 19th and early 20th centuries—was channeled elsewhere.
But, because slavery ended 150 years ago, we often assume that this dehumanization is ancient history. It is not. As Douglas Blackmon of The Wall Street Journal meticulously documents in his Pulitzer Prize–winning book, Slavery by Another Name, blacks were kept in virtual bondage through Jim Crow laws, sharecropping, and, quite often, a form of quasi-slavery called peonage, which endured well into the middle of the 20th century.

Here’s how it worked: black men (it was usually men) were arrested for petty crimes or no crimes at all; “selling cotton after sunset” was a favorite charge. They were then assessed a steep fine. If they could not pay, they were imprisoned for long sentences and forced to work for free. This allowed savvy industrialists to replace thousands of slaves with thousands of convicts.


A reader reflects ...

A reader writes ...

I was very excited to read your book 'Why did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road'.

I have read quite a few of your books, as well as those of Rob Bell and David Tomlinson, as I find your approach the only one at the moment that gives me any hope of calling myself, at the very least, a theist. However, I often feel that I am left liking what you say, but lacking a rationale to accept it, except that I like it. It becomes the McLaren or the Bell version.

However, although I did feel the same about large chunks of your latest book, I felt excited by a section in Chapter 17 p142, which says:

‘if the Spirit is ubiquitous and all people are encountering the Holy Spirit simply because we live, move and have our being in the Spirit’s domain, we can understand human religions – all human religions, including our own – as imperfect human responses to our encounters with the Spirit who is present in all creation. That is not to deny the presence of unique divine revelation in anyone religion, nor is it to affirm that all religions are the same, nor is it to imply that the Spirit should be credited or blamed for everything going on in our religions. Instead, it is simply to propose that each religion, based on its unique location and history, would have a unique, particular and evolving perspective from which to encounter the Spirit in a unique way. That would mean that differences between religions would not necessarily mean contradictions. They could simply mean additional data, expressed in different systems of local imagery and language, based on differing encounters with the same Spirit of God, present in all creation across all time. Not only that, but in light of the wildly different local conditions in which they encounter the same Spirit, we might interpret some religious differences in a new light: rather than saying different (contradictory) things about the same thing, various religions could sometimes be saying different (complementary) things about different (complementary) experiences entirely

Let me summarise my thinking in bullet points to make it less bulky. I don't want to put you off!!

I tried to read the Bible from cover to cover without commentaries to see what I made of it. I was horrified, bored and totally confused that this should be the stuff that almighty God wanted us to know and live by.
So, either a) I didn't like this God anymore, b) this was just stories and there was no God, or c) maybe there was a God, but the Bible wasn't his infallible word to us on the matter
I decided to try c) but soon discovered I had no rationale for knowing what was true or what was wishful thinking
Sort of gave up
Went to Bath in England. Hadn't prayed for months. Looked up at statue of roman god Minerva and kind of prayed 'Were they in touch with you, when they worshipped Minera?'
The answer came back in an instant - 'of course'.
I had a question and an answer in an instant, with no premeditation at all. I felt this was pivotal, but of course, it was very subjective and cannot be verified.
Went to Avebury and stood by the ancient stones. Man had been reaching out according his understanding of the divine (probably)
So, from then on, I have been trying the theory out. So often, I think, revelation is a flash, and we put human thought with it, embellish it, and mess it up, turn it into a religion, etc etc. I don't want to do that.


We have evolved according to God's blueprint. We are here in the 21st century. Maybe we have more evolution to undergo, especially intellectually, so as eventually to know enough to find the currently unknowable God.

All religions contain some right stuff and some revelation, but, also a lot of human commentary and prejudice. Some stuff was right for the people at the time, but not for NOW. All religions are historically, geographically and educationally specific. One day we will get there. One day we will have eveolved suffiently to find God, and all religions, and even more excitingly, even science, will converge.

Here is a stupid example, but it helps to explain what I mean: If God were a computer, and we were software in some way, this fact would have been inconceivable to Moses.

So, we are all in it together. No need to fight about it. No-one is right, no-one is wrong. We are all evolving and will get there in the end. It kind of makes more sense of evolution.

There is a programme on UK TV called 'Scrapheap Challenge', where teams have to build a certain machine from the stuff available (it has probably been put there to be found). In the same way, maybe God has given us all the materials we need on this planet. It is incredible what we have made from this rock orbiting the sun. He is watching and waiting for us to find the wherewithall to find him.

I hope you can get the gist. I have loads to say, and better words to say it in, but this is my first bash. Please comment if you have time and inclination.

Thanks for your note. I'm glad other people will get a chance to read the thoughts of a "normal" person honestly and passionately grappling with important theological questions. Let me finesse a couple of your points like this:

People today might use computer imagery to describe God. That kind of imagery would have been inconceivable to Moses. Similarly, when ancient people used the imagery of kings and rock fortresses to describe God, it's very hard if not impossible to fully grasp the full depth of what those images meant to them.

So, we are all in it together. We can differ and debate, but there's no need to get hostile about our differences. No one is perfectly right, and we're all wrong in various ways. We are ca keep involving and if we are humble and open to the Spirit and to one another, we will continue to learn and grow.


This has to be one of the most creative projects I've ever heard of ...

Launched by my friend - poet David Shook. Check it out!
You'll find more from David here.


John Esposito on Egypt's Challenge (Again)

A sober analysis by a sagely observer. Quotable:

But what do we know of the successful opposition and its platform and agenda?

Beyond their unity of purpose, to bring down the Morsi government, the opposition has had no clear leader, no agreed upon platform of specific reforms. Its diverse and ideologically contradictory makeup offers no sense of the future direction of Egypt. Leaders and participants include Mubarak holdovers from the military and judiciary to police, security, bureaucracy (who are the real survivors and winners), as well as former major presidential candidates like Amr Musa; an array of Egypt's illiberal (non-democratic) secularists; disaffected April Spring youth, that cut across the political and religious spectrum, who felt that they and their concerns were excluded from the government; religious leaders, Ahmed al-Tayyeb, Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar and himself a former member of the Mubarak-led National Democratic Party as well the heads of the Salafist Nour Party and the Coptic church are curious bedfellows or allies.


Happy July 4th!

I'm thankful for my country. Although we have many weaknesses and many unacknowledged failures, we also have strengths and virtues with which to face our challenges. I very much like President Obama's repeated use of the phrase "more perfect union," because it reminds us that every nation is in process, growing, developing, moving from one level of imperfection to another, maturing (over the long run) toward greater goodness. We are bound to one another - within nations and among nations. And not only that: we are bound to past and future generations, having received a multi-faceted heritage from our ancestors that we can enhance (or squander) for our descendants. Today, as fireworks explode and patriotic songs play, I hope we all can ponder our connectedness and rededicate ourselves to the ongoing work of perfecting and maturing our union.


Suzanne Ross gets it right ... on Paula Deen

Here. It will be interesting to reflect on how the recent Jodi Arias trial, together with the current Trayvon Martin trial, added to the Edward Snowdon story, together with the Paula Deen story all exemplify our need to find scapegoats to relieve internal tensions in various areas of our lives. Suzanne's insights about outrage are especially valuable.


Egypt, Democracy, and a Mirror for us All

This NYT piece on Egypt strikes me as being fair, honest, and insightful. Quotable:

Mr. Mubarak ruled through fraudulent elections, with the support of Egypt’s security forces, crony capitalists and the United States and other powers. Mr. Morsi is something else entirely: Egypt’s democratically elected president.

Still, he has been a disastrous leader: divisive, incompetent, heavy-handed and deaf to wide segments of Egyptian society who do not share his Islamist vision. He and his Brotherhood backers have focused on consolidating power rather than delivering on his promises — to represent all Egyptians; to fix the economy; to make the streets safer, cleaner, less traffic-choked; to treat all Egyptians equally. None have been kept.

Those are arguments against him. But using nondemocratic means to remove an elected leader, however inept, subverts the very essence of democracy by departing from its first principle: the dependable transfer of power peacefully through elections.

The situation in Egypt reminds me of something a political figure in the US said to me recently: "Both parties use wedge issues to win elections, and in so doing, we render the nation ungovernable." I suppose this is a rhetorical expression of "those who live by the sword die by the sword."

Those who succeed by wedge issues will fail by wedge issues, and those who succeed by coup will fail by coup. As Ben Franklin said, a Republic is good "if you can keep it." Keeping it is not as easy as it seems, and requires basic virtues of citizenship and civility from us all.


Skye Jethani gets it right on Evangelical Political Involvement, and ...

I think Skye's anecdotal observations about Evangelicals and politics will match those of many - especially those who live in highly educated areas of the northern half of the country. Where I live in Florida, it's quite a different story. My anecdotal information comes from TV-broadcast services of local Evangelical congregations (mostly Southern Baptist and Assemblies of God): I hear them address abortion, homosexuality, and Obamacare frequently.

I think that many Evangelical leaders, along with Mainline Protestant and Catholic leaders, forget that a lot of Christian formation (for better or worse) doesn't happen in congregations any more. It happens in cars and kitchens as people listen to the radio. Where a church member may hear his own pastor preach for 30 to sixty minutes, he or she will often hear several hours of radio sermons during drive time. And again, my anecdotal information, in a region with several Protestant radio stations and two Catholic stations, suggests that this is where the data mounts for wedge-issue obsession. This is especially true during talk-radio formats. I imagine that fear of "the homosexual agenda" - or whatever the fear of the day might be - holds more listeners and raises more donations for radio-TV than many other less inflammatory subjects. It might have the opposite effect in a local church over the long term.

But I agree with Skye that there is also a huge perception problem that comes from mainstream TV news going to the same short list of religious right spokespeople (usually spokesmen). We need to do more than complain about this; we need to put forward some better alternatives. Those voices will have to have the courage to differ graciously but clearly with the religious right. Doing so will cost them - money if they're broadcasters or writers, parishioners if they're pastors. But it needs to be done.


Q & R: Authors who nourish you?

Here's the Q:

I finished your book A Generous Orthodoxy, and am in the process of reading Naked Spirituality. Thank you for your heart-felt, yet challenging words! Your books have got me thinking a lot about the diversity of Christian traditions and experiences, especially within the realm of spirituality. Your post on May 16 about St. Teresa helped stimulate my thoughts as well.

Coming from an Evangelical background, I sometimes feel a lack of depth in how many around me look at spiritual growth. It is often advertised as the natural result of predetermined spiritual actions: regular reading of Scripture, daily times of prayer, consistent church attendance, integration with a small group, involvement with various church ministries, etc. Growth is often quantified and calculated, and we lose the wonder and mystery of God working in and through us, transforming us one small piece at a time. I’m often embarrassed to admit it to others around me, but I am drawn to the Catholic contemplative tradition that puts much of the emphasis on God’s activity within us, rather than our own feeble attempts to transform ourselves. I devour books by Thomas Merton, Henri Nouwen, Jean Vanier, Brennan Manning, Mother Teresa, and St. John of the Cross.

I’m sure I am missing something… but are there authors within the Evangelical tradition that reflect that same contemplative direction? Writers who have found a “simple” faith of dependence and obedience, yet are full of wisdom, maturity, and depth? I’m especially interested in spiritual writers who see the vital connection between an inner walk of contemplation and a life lived in community with others. (Thomas Merton wrote extensively on civil rights issues and peacemaking. Henri Nouwen discovered his own desperate need for God within a community of individuals with intellectual disabilities.) I would love to hear from you about writers that have aided you personally on your own spiritual journey, perhaps ones that you keep coming back to for refreshment and rejuvenation. Your ministry has been a great blessing to me and many others.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your comments. Like you, I've gained so much from the Catholic contemplative tradition (Merton, Nouwen, Rohr, Chittister) - and from other Catholic writers as well. For example, Romano Guardini's "The Lord" is a book I return to again and again.

Thankfully, there are Evangelicals who teach contemplative spirituality. Richard Foster and Dallas Willard (recently deceased) introduced many of us, as did A. W. Tozer of a generation earlier. Keith Matthews was a protege of Dallas Willard, and he is a gifted teacher on the subject, as are Ruth Haley Barton and Mary Darling - their books are excellent.

One author whose work I keep coming back to is Paul Tournier. Unfortunately, many of his books went out of print. I hope a publisher will reprint them, or make them available digitally. His "Adventure of Living" is a special book in my life.


Movement Thinking

I'm a big fan of Yes! Magazine. You'll see why when you read these two short articles about building bridges and love and power.

They're of special interest to me because of a movement-building collaborative I am contributing to. If you'd like to help (and I hope you will), you'll find more information here.


David Gushee gets it right on Christian response to DOMA

He strikes a sane and balanced note here.Quotable:

Many are already arguing about the great damage that will be done to marriage with today’s decisions. I would suggest that a more important damage to Christian witness in American culture has already been done, not by the Supreme Court but by the Christian activists; and not just today but for a generation or more. And that damage will intensify in proportion to the Christian outcry in days to come.

What has that damage been?

• Christians (understood to mean here heterosexual activist traditionalists) have become identified with actively pursuing the denial of rights and benefits to others that they themselves enjoy. In other words, the “Gospel” has been identified with the cause of self-benefiting social discrimination against a minority group, a losing hand if ever there was one.

• Christians, claiming to follow Jesus, have become identified as the chief enemies of gay and lesbian human beings (some of whom are also Christians), and of the moral and legal rights of lesbians and gays, whereas Jesus’ enemies tended to be people who performed exactly this kind of marginalization on the despised ones of their era.

• Christians have become known for a deeply distorted moral agenda by elevating the anti-gay cause to the top of their public ethics, and this in a world afflicted by war, hunger, ecological disaster and all manner of social injustice.

• Christians have alienated gays and lesbians and their families, friends, and sympathetic allies, driving many away from the love of Jesus Christ and contributing to the secularization of American culture. They have done a great deal to create hostility to the church and closed ears to the Gospel. The saddest cases are the church’s own rejected gay and lesbian adolescents and twentysomethings. They are legion.

• Christians have contributed to the fear in society that millions of Americans are unable to tell the difference between the church and the state, or between the demands of their faith on themselves vs. the demands of their faith on those who do not share it. This contributes to secularization and weakens respect for legitimate concerns about protecting a zone of religious liberty for religious dissenters.


Lisa Sharon Harper gets it right on Affirmative Action

Folks in the US should check out this brilliant piece by Lisa Sharon Harper. Quotable:

Now consider this: We have made only two generations of progress after 17 generations of comprehensive, structural, systematized, and racialized oppression. And the effects of that oppression still haunt us today.

According to a February 2013 Brandeis University Institute on Assets and Social Policy study, the wealth gap between white and black Americans in the United States grew from $85,070 in 1984 to $236,500 in 2009....

More than 330 years of racialized oppression has created just such a need among people of color in our larger society. We must not miss this opportunity to realize and learn from the impacts of our racialized past on the plight and outlook of current generations of Americans. Rather, garnered by the faith that Jesus cares for all and is committed to all and can raise from the dead, we must join Jesus in the work of restoration and call on our nation to do likewise.

(See this excellent piece by Lisa also.) Thanks, Lisa.


Great music

My friend and creative colleague Tracy Howe Wispelwey has a new CD out ...
Songs for 1000 Days. Here's the write-up:

Fourteen artists have joined Bread for the World Institute and Women of Faith for the 1,000 Days Movement to educate communities and advocate for policy change in the United States to end hunger at home and abroad and give every child the chance to thrive.
Featuring four original songs by La Muna, Tracy Howe, Heatherlyn, and Santiago Benavides, as well as a previously unreleased track from David Wilcox, this compilation contains songs about faith, hunger justice, and the call to action to support mothers and children in their first 1,000 days.
The 1,000 Days movement includes 40 different countries and promotes targeted action to improve nutrition for mothers and children in the 1,000 days between a woman’s pregnancy and her child’s second birthday—a time when better nutrition for mothers and children can have a life-changing impact on a child’s future and help break the cycle of poverty.

I've been listening to it for a few weeks and love it.

A similar and equally excellent project comes from another friend, Barclay Martin, Zamboanga: Poverty, War, and Music. Highly recommended.

I'm on Washington Island, Wisconsin, part of a forum on theology and spirituality here, enjoying wonderful musical leadership from another friend, Susan Phillips. She's been using lots of worship resources from Dakota Road, a group I'm glad to know about, and I think you will be too.


Q & R: The right question!

Here's the Q:

I loved your presentations [in my city recently]. Life changing.
I have several of your books and I picked up a couple of others you recommended--eg, Eboo Patel, and Jonathan Haidt.

Here's my question, what resources (blog, organization, etc....) do you know of that is focussed on developing specific skills for becoming Peacemakers.

Yes, "Blessed are the Peacemakers..." However, I now more than ever see that word as a verb.....

I'm a Principal of a middle school and I regularly deal with conflict, anger, power struggles, etc....with children, their parents, teachers, other admin, school board members, etc.....

So, as I was listening to you discuss global issues and community.....I was thinking of starting where I am....not to neglect the global or national concerns at all.

In terms of becoming a Peacemaker....and developing those skills.....in a school, in a home, church, etc..... What skills are we developing? Who can help us?

Active listening, of course. Paraphrasing. Communicating non-violently.

Because our myth stories are so strong, insidious, and invasive.....and the skills of Peacemaking are so fuzzy.....this is a huge challenge for many.

So, insights? Suggestions? Resources?
I know there are many peace sites out there....and many counselors out there with peace curricula. However, I was hoping you might have some insight in to this.

Thanks again for your time at my church...!
I'm a huge fan and will continue to follow you.

Many blessings to you and your family!

Here's the R:
Thanks for this great question, and for the encouraging words. I'm on a little island in Lake Michigan at the moment without much internet access, so this will be too brief.
First, Eastern Mennonite University has been a leader in conflict transformation and peace studies. I'd go to their website and find as much as you can about resources they offer and recommend.

Second, Parker Palmer has been doing a lot of work on civility. Also check out the Institute for Civility.

But I know there are many more resources that would be especially helpful in your work with middle schoolers and their families. I'm hoping that folks will post some ideas over at my facebook page.


Q & R: Religion and Marriage

Here's the Q:

I'm a fan of your works. I'm a student pastor and assistant youth pastor (part timer) from [Asia]. I'm under thirty years old. I read some of your books, and as a young man who grows and educates in evangelical tradition, your works are very intriguing to me. It has made me question many times about what I believe and honestly as I join with your works and emergent church movement, the way I think about Church, community, other faith, live in diversity and culture have shifted.
I serve in the one of evangelical church in [a major Asian city], and I know sometimes it's hard to me share with people here about what I'm studying and believing right now.
I choose to be calm and share just a little thing about it to the young people whom I serve, until I meet a girl whom I love and plan to get married soon, I can't be just calm, I told to them what I believe that It is possible for an evangelical get married and live with a girl who comes from catholic tradition.
My future wife comes from Catholic church, and I don't mind about it, cause I really like to live in diversity. I don't see Catholic as a different religion, but Christian church here think that they are different. I don't like "the category" anymore as my fellow christian do in here. My future wife and I commit to learn together about faith and actually I never ask her to change from her believe. I want to make a good conversation with her in our diversities. I'm okay with this. Even I encourage her to be sure about what she believe an ask many question like I do.
But it's not easy for me when I want to explain to my fellow christians, and we don't have a non-denominational church in Indonesia.
I plan to move from the church that I serve right now, and try to find the new community with my future wife.
Because it's impossible to do my wedding ceremony here.
I know you had some experience, that your wife comes from catholic tradition, and I know you know better about how to live in diversity.

I need your help in this confused situation. I want to ask you some questions:
1) What is your opinion about my situation? Should I quit from my ministry here or what?
2) How should I live in diversity in my marriage to come?
Maybe there is some chapters from your books that can help me.

I don't know you will answer me or no. But I really need your advice.
Thanks Mr. Brian for read my email.

Here's the R:
Thanks so much for writing. I'm so glad to know you found my books helpful. My newest book is especially focused on the issues of religious identity and diversity. It would be especially interesting, I think, for someone living in a religiously diverse country like yours, where Christians of any sort are a minority. I think you would find it helpful - but I don't know if it's hard to get in your country.

Really, I'm sure you know better than I how to live in diversity!

As I read your email, two things come to mind. I really don't have any "moral" guidance to offer you (in terms of right and wrong), but do have some pastoral guidance.

First, all of life is full of trade-offs. If we say yes to one opportunity, it closes the door for other opportunities. So - marrying your Catholic fiancee will close doors to some jobs in some churches. But it will obviously bring other joys and experiences that are so important to you that you will gladly close the door on your current job.

Second, I think the biggest difference among Christians of the future won't be the difference between Catholic and Protestant or charismatic and non-charismatic or liberal or conservative. I think the biggest difference will be between those who have a strong/hostile identity, those who have a weak/tolerant identity, and those who seek a strong/benevolent identity. That's one of the core ideas of the new book - and I can tell that you are seeking the third kind of identity. Please know I'm praying for you today!


The good people at Center for Progressive Renewal ...

invite you to this year's gathering August 6-9 in Atlanta for the National Church Leaders Institute. Good things happening there!


A great review ...

If you haven't read my newest book yet, I really hope you will.


Over at my Facebook page ...

I'm putting up some daily quotes from Parker Palmer. If you aren't a regular follower of the page, I hope you will "like" it (in both ways). And I'd be honored to have you in my twitter-gang too.


Are you familiar with the Aprentis Institute?

September 26-28 I'll be in Kansas with a wonderful group of speakers focused on spiritual formation in relation to the biblical story. Learn more here:
and here:


Links Roundup

Some friends in Santa Fe are working on solar energy and energy democracy ... by watching the accompanying video, you help them get a grant - and you learn something valuable. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s4a-9V-6eWI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ds4a-9V-6eWI

Everyone in North America needs to understand our Native American/First Nations brothers and sisters better. Here's a tremendously helpful article by a Metis friend named Joe Desjarlais:

My friend Romal Tune has a beautiful new book out. You'll get a taste of it in this blog post called It's Not Your Fault.

I'll be in Dallas with Life in the Trinity Ministries on July 20th examining the book of Acts from a fresh perspective. Here's the series overview.

Some of us have lots of practice reading the Bible in fundamentalist, pre-critical ways - and others have ample practice reading the Bible in critical or skeptical ways. What we need today is a new, fresh approach to the Bible - reading it in post-critical ways, literary rather than literalist, sensitive to history, and sensitive to an over-arching narrative that focuses on Jesus and his good news. In this 2013 series, in four stand-alone but integrated sessions, we'll get an overview of the whole Bible from this fresh perspective.

Led by: Brian McLaren
Workshop Time: Sat 9:00 AM - 4:00 PM
Cost: 75.00 per session
Workshop Dates:
July 20 Reading Acts Afresh
December 6-7 Reading the New Testament Afresh

Click here to Register

The ONE Campaign has put together some of the greatest protest songs of the era, here:

If I were starting a new church, I'd want to be at the church planters academy this summer, August 15-17. Info here.

We all know that our political and religious lives would benefit from a good dose of civility. Some friends of mine are organizing the second national Citizens’ Civility Symposium. They're taking the message of civility directly to Capitol Hill. The Symposium will include keynote presentations and panel discussions featuring civility experts and practitioners, as well as current and former members of Congress. Registration is available on line at www.instituteforcivility.org. Doors will open for the Symposium at 2:30 pm on Monday, July 22. A continental breakfast will be provided on Tuesday morning before we begin again at 9:00 am. The event comes to a close at 1:00 pm, but participants are encouraged to spend the afternoon visiting the offices of their representatives and senators, taking the message of civility with them as they go. For more information, contact info@instituteforcivility.org, or call 713-444-1254 or 281-782-4454.

I predict that prison reform, race, and the prison-industrial complex will become one of the key moral issues of the coming decade. You'll see one reason why in this video about Duane Buck:


Where will you be August 8-11 this summer?

Hundreds if not thousands of great events happen in the Christian community across North America every year. But nobody brings together a wider and wilder spectrum of people to engage with spirituality, art, and justice than Wild Goose. Amazing people contribute their music, curiosity, intelligence, energy, stories, talent, good cheer, passion for justice, and creative genius to produce four days that will easily become a highlight of your year. The outdoor setting, the fantastic food trucks, tents, campfires, impromptu jam sessions, and the presence of the holy make the Wild Goose Festival a delight, a joy, and a growing catalyst for goodness in the world. People who read my blog can use this code - WILDGOOSE13 - to get a 20% discount if you go here:http://wildgoosefestival.org/tickets


About race ...

It's time, folks, for North Americans - and especially North American Christians - to have long-resisted conversations about race. My friend Bruce Reyes-Chow has written a needed book on the subject.

And several friends from the Native American/First Nations communities contributed to this superb and important book, Buffalo Shout, Salmon Cry. I was honored to be a contributor as well.

It's time. These books are good on-ramps into this conversation.


Need a Father's Day Gift?

Here's a good one: a book called Men Pray to which I contributed.


Q & R: Was this original to you?

Here's the Q:

I thought of "The Story We Find Ourselves in" when I read this from Gregory of Nyssa Reminded me strongly of your description of Resurrected body as composite of every moment of the human's life, all remembered by God into existence . Did his work inspire yours, or were they just similar thoughts ?

Gregory wrote:

“But still the question remains: Is the state which we are to expect to be like the present state of the body? Because if so, then, as I was saying, men had better avoid hoping for any Resurrection at all. For if our bodies are to be restored to life again in the same sort of condition as they are in when they cease to breathe, then all that man can look forward to in the Resurrection is an unending calamity....”

“If, then, a particular man is not the same even as he was yesterday, but is made different by this transmutation, when so be that the Resurrection shall restore our body to life again, that single man will become a crowd of human beings, so that with his rising again there will be found the babe, the child, the boy, the youth, the man, the father, the old man, and all the intermediate persons that he once was.”

Here's the R: I hadn't heard of anyone talking about this ... but it's pretty encouraging to find that one has stumbled on one's own (so to speak) into an insight articulated by a great theologian centuries ago. Thanks for sharing this!


Links Roundup

A reader asks us to help with a worthy cause ...

Did you know three of your books are in an audio format specialized for the learning disabled, at LearningAlly.org? I have a learning disability and utilize the resources that LearningAlly provides. I hope you'll excuse my direct email to you, but I wanted to make a quick (and urgent) appeal. You have a widespread network ... and I know you care about social justice. This is a petition for LearningAlly, the nonprofit that provides books in audio format to those who learn differently, such as the blind and dyslexic ... Since I personally utilize the services this organization provides, I'm personally invested in it. But regardless of that, I still think LearningAlly is a vital resource for some of those on the margins of our society. ... Much love, Mr. McLaren. Keep it up. I pray and wish peace and blessings upon you.

I'll be with the Network of Biblical Storytellers in August. What a fantastic group! Learn more here.

If you're a church leader looking for a good conference this summer, and other excellent resources too, the Center for Progressive Renewal has a lot to offer.

And Wild Goose - you should come in August. It's Wild:


I wish I could have been there ...

The Theology and Peace conference grappled with racism this year. Learn more here. Quotable from Tony Bartlett:

Black theology allied to Girardian theory shows us that the God of Jesus has always been with the black body suspended lynched and crucified on a tree. That’s the point, and it always was the point, and now the whole post-platonic community of Jesus is beginning to understand this, white and black. White because Jesus reveals the victim and undoes all the violence fastened upon him or her, and now the meaning of Christianity is not to get to an ethereal otherworld, but to transform the violent material existence of this one. Black because as James Cone wrote “’Calvary’…was (always) redemption from the terror of the lynching tree.” “Oh see my Jesus hanging high” Black Christians sang, and they knew that Jesus’ death already transformed their body terrors, and by extension those of all other human victims.
Lynchings are now faith, in the strange paradoxical, subversive language of the gospel, and they are faith for black and white alike. They are a faith which leaps beyond the dangling monster on the tree into a radical future of life. Because Jesus was the first monster: for the temple authorities—“He has blasphemed”; for the emperor—“There is no king but Caesar”; for the ungovernable crowd—“Crucify him!” But for the God who raised him from the dead he was the beloved Servant and Lord of creation, of a new creation without violence, without victims.
The Black body knew this truth, despite Anselm, despite Calvin, and before Girard. This for me was the great discovery of our conference. From now on Theology & Peace cannot go forward without the active participation and leadership of people of color. (This was already evident in the splendid election of Julia Robinson to our board!) The black body experience has become an icon and pathway for the transformative post-platonic Christian faith that we long to build.

Here's another excellent article at T&P. Quotable from Lindsey Lopez:
Being made in God's image need not mean being made perfect before falling and being redeemed. Virtually Christian, which explains how humanity is continuing to evolve in heart and mind from our violent natures into the peace of Christ, and also The Joy of Being Wrong by James Alison, which explains how we cannot understand original sin except retrospectively from the vantage point of seeing the mess we are coming out of in the light of Jesus, helped me reach this understanding. There was no pristine humanity before Jesus from which we “fell”; rather, we are created to “rise” to Jesus. We are created with the potential to form and understand meaning and to be transformed by the meaning of Jesus. In fact, if Girard says that human consciousness was formed by an act of violence, but the absolutely nonviolent Jesus is the truly human one, then we're not done evolving... we're not fully human yet... we're still in the process of becoming, being transformed. We're evolving because of Christ into his body. This is how God is forming us in God's own image, and God's not finished with us yet... In the light of Christ we look back at all the violence we were and are still involved in and see that we are sinners, but we can only see this because we're on the way out.


Q & R: Mission agencies

Here's the Q:

Here is a question I have been wondering about and am personally interested in:
Which mission organizations today are theologically and missiologically compatible and supportive of your teachings and viewpoints?

Here's the R:
I'd LOVE to answer this question, but I am hesitant. Let me explain why.
I have close relationships with the leaders of several mission organizations. I know they are personally "compatible and supportive" (which doesn't mean 100% agreement on every issue, obviously). But I also know they have a wide constituency that includes people who do not consider themselves compatible and supportive (often, based on misunderstanding and misinformation). There are people who monitor this site and if I were to mention the names of some mission agencies that I consider supportive, they would use my "endorsement" to harm those organizations. So ... I think I'll defer, and hope you understand why.


Going to Carolina ...

I'll be in Hendersonville this weekend. If you're in the area, c'mon over. Details here.


Will Campbell

I didn't know him, but I started reading him when I was in college. And I liked him.

He represented a different kind of Baptist. An old kind, but in today's world of "neo-Baptists" (see below), a new new kind. You'll get a feel for him here:

Oh, when I was a boy in Mississippi we claimed that we weren’t [creedal]. But we were. We said the Bible was our creed and made a fetish, an idol of the Bible. Which part of the Bible? Certainly not those parts where Ezekiel said, “She lusted after lovers whose genitals were like a mule’s genitals and whose ejaculations were like that of horses.” (That’s from Chapter 23 of Ezekiel, verse 20. I’m sure some of you want to grab that Gideon Bible when you get back to your room and check the text.)

I cite it here for more than comedic or melodramatic effect. The significance of that text for this gathering is that the prophet was addressing a group not too dissimilar to the neo-Baptists of our day. (And neo-Baptist would be a more accurate designation than Fundamentalist.) “Your genitals are like mule’s genitals.” If you grew up in the country as I did you know what God was saying through the prophet Ezekiel. A mule is a hybrid. Sterile. God was saying to that right-wing bunch, “Ha, you can’t even get it …” Well, never mind.

I was speaking to the state annual meeting of the ACLU in Mississippi not long ago. It was not a large gathering, which struck me as being odd for Baptist is the state church in Mississippi and the First Amendment was the idea of a couple of Baptist preachers. Anyway, some Baptists were protesting the gathering because the ACLU defends pornographers. It does, but it also defends Baptists, if it can find any, which isn’t easy to do these days. Anyway, I cited that passage and challenged the censors to burn that book because it contains hundreds of passages equally tempting to the aggressive scissors of censorship.


Q & R: Using New Kind of Christianity for a group study

Here's the Q:

I am currently leading a small group discussion on A New Kind of Christianity. I'm using the downloadable discussion guide as a resource, and I find that it's been very thought-provoking for our group.

he question has come up as to whether its necessary to study the whole book, in sequence. Some of the 10 questions are going to end up being more important (to us) than some of the others. It looks like we could take the first five questions in series, and then pick and choose from the final five as standalone issues for discussion.

What are your thoughts? I'm sure your initial reaction will be to 'read the whole book', but is it truly that inter-linked?

Thanks, and thanks for writing these inspiring books.

Here's the R:
I think you have a good plan. It's a good ideato work on the first five questions together - but then, for the second five, you can pick and choose in whatever order makes sense for you.


A reader writes: Sanest answers

I divorced the institutional church when I gradually came to believe its message as it is currently being preached was superior/exclusionary/hostile to those who do not self- identify as Christians. I have spent many years in the wilderness bereft of an understanding that resonates with what I have prayed the church could be, while still loving the church. I am currently reading Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammad Cross the Road? I believe it offers the sanest answer yet to how the church can begin a return to the spirit of Christ. God bless you for your understanding, your love, your compassion, your scholarship and your effort in this.
Thanks for these encouraging words.

A generous impulse?

You can indulge a generous impulse today by helping Little LIghts, founded by my friend Steve Park in Washington, DC. Little Lights helps kids in one of DC's toughest neighborhoods. Learn more here.


links roundup

Here's something I wrote about my indebtedness to Walter Brueggemann. I've been thinking about that debt as I'm working on my upcoming book that should be published about a year from today. The title will be A Table, a Bible, Some Food, Some Friends: 52 Experiments in Spiritual (Re)Formation. It's an overview of the Bible and an introduction (or catechesis) to the Christian faith. It reflects Brueggemann's influence on many levels.

Like a lot of people, I've been pretty disappointed with the US Congress for quite a while now. It's unlikely they'll get much done of value this year ... but it's possible they'll do something positive on Immigration Reform if enough of us speak up in a variety of ways. The Evangelical Immigration Table is mobilizing people in needed directions - learn more here: http://pray4reform.org

Christine Sine posts thoughtfully and helpfully (as always) about yoga and Christian practice here. People interested in this intersection should check out a project I completed recently with my friend Suzanne Jackson.
http://wordlessprayer.com/store.html#simplewords More information here: http://brianmclaren.net/archives/get-involved/a-new-video-resource-integrating.html

Some friends in Santa Fe are working on solar energy and energy democracy ... by watching the accompanying video, you help them get a grant - and you learn something valuable. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s4a-9V-6eWI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ds4a-9V-6eWI

There's some important new work being done on the Christian teaching of the Trinity. Check out this book on worship and the Trinity (to which I contributed) ... and this new resource from Cynthia Bourgeault (which I endorsed).

Some cool musical developments from South Africa (HT GC):

Also from Africa - an excellent article by a friend of mine from Ethiopia:

And in gratuitous turtle news (HT GS) ...


Q & R: Bible as constitution or library?

Here's the Q:

I have searched your site for two days trying to find additional resources where I can learn more about what you wrote about in New Kind of Christianity regarding how to read the bible (library or Constitution?). I couldn't find any resources to read further on this. I even checked the notes section in the book. Can you offer any suggestions or send a link to a post on your blog?

I'd recommend you read books and blogs by Peter Enns, Derek Flood, Sylvia Keesmaat and Brian Walsh for starters, and of course, Walter Brueggemann. My next book will try to exemplify this ... I'm deep in the writing process now.


A reader writes ...

Hi, Brian - I greatly enjoyed your provocative presentation at the Festival of Homiletics today. I was put in mind of a song by Peter Mayer, a singer-songwriter in my Unitarian Universalist tradition, that I thought you would enjoy. It's called "the Birthday Party," and it concerns the aforementioned holy ones getting together to attend a birthday party for Jesus.

It's here . Another of Peter's songs that would speak, or sing to you, I think, is called "Everything is Holy Now." It's here

You are a great encouragement to those of us who are trying to build bridges among and between religious communities where they have been blown out, mostly a lack of imagination and commitment Never stop.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm a big Peter Mayer fan, but I hadn't heard "Birthday Party." It's a treat when songs and books strike a synergy. Here's one you might like from Phil Madeira.


Achieving Respectful Disagreement: two good examples

A lot of us try to achieve agreement before we've reached disagreement.

Sometimes, we try to convince our counterparts who see things differently before we accurately understand the nature of our disagreement. In so doing, we often misjudge their line of thought, or deeper still, their motives.

Sometimes, we try to convince people who aren't yet thinking about an issue to take sides - with us - by caricaturing or mocking our opponents so their viewpoint doesn't even receive a fair hearing.

Both patterns are terribly common in religion and politics. It's always nice to see people bucking the trend. Here are two examples.

Jim Fletcher and I have been corresponding for a while both in private and in public. He and I see a lot of things quite differently. He wrote an article recently about the future of traditional Evangelical/fundamentalist approaches to biblical prophecy in which, I thought, he handled disagreement very well.

Erik Freiburger posted a response to a chapter from my book Naked Spirituality. In my chapter on gratitude, I talked about being grateful for capacities like sight, hearing, mobility, etc., and Erik responded as a person who was injured in a car accident 18 years ago.

It was a few nights ago though that after starting Brian McLaren’s new book ‘Naked Spirituality‘ that I came across a conversation he expressed having about gratitude that deeply disturbed me. I usually am greatly inspired by his writing which is why it took me back so much when reading it. Try as I might, the discontent would not leave so I thought it best to put pen to paper and express my thoughts in an open letter here.

Then he explains "In open truth, here I am, in a wheelchair, paralyzed as a quadriplegic after a car accident 18 years ago, reading this story, and what I’m hearing is you would rather do anything, including go as far into debt as possible, then become like me!"

At that point, if Erik's goal was to find and defeat an opponent, he could cast me as an uncaring, unempathetic, unenlightened clod and stir up one of the online skirmishes for which the world-wide internet webs have become so famous. Instead, he uses his response as an opportunity to instruct: "Will McLaren ever read it? I do not know but, I hope by verbalizing it we might all grow to find a deeper, more unconditional spirit of gratitude."

That spirit and motive for disagreement - not to mention its tone - is, to me, downright inspiring. In the referenced anecdote in my chapter on gratitude, I was indeed trying to help people find gratitude. I wasn't aware that my anecdote encouraged gratitude of a conditional nature. That may not be a bad place to start, but it has unintended consequences that I didn't think of when I was writing - but Erik did. So he didn't attack my motives or my intelligence. He simply added a new perspective that is truly important and worthwhile.

I have been helped by people disagreeing in this constructive and respectful way so many times in my life. I hope we can all go and do likewise.


links roundup

David Marks has a new blog ... www.GodisNotaGuy.com. The purpose is to promote the use of God-language that doesn't reinforce the idea that ... God is a guy.

Hellbound is now available for download. A great documentary that I was part of ...

You should know about the Global Immersion Project - They train people for the gritty, subversive, everyday work of peacemaking. Learn more here:

Ahhhh ... this will bring a smile to your face:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-22689552?SThisFB Even more so if you've read my most recent book.


Q & R: a question about justice

Here''s the Q:

Dear Brian, you have written "Any definition of justice and holiness that involves being unsatisfied unless the imperfect are suffering seems to many of us as unworthy of a human being and if so, how much more unworthy of God whose justice must be better than our own." Should Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson ( Matthew Shepard's murderers) be set free and welcomed back into society?

Here's the R:
I'm not sure how to interpret the tone - or the purpose - of your question. If you're asking whether it's possible for a wrongdoer to be incarcerated to protect others from harm, without intending malice or revenge toward the wrongdoer, I would say yes, it's possible, but terribly difficult and rare. That's why we have created court systems and juries ... so that the community seeks to carry out justice in relation to law and the common good, not as an act of malice or revenge.The primary goals of incarceration, in an ideal world, I think, would be a) to keep a habitually destructive person from wreaking more havoc, b) to rehabilitate the destructive person whenever possible, and c) to provide clear and predictable consequences for unacceptable behavior. Some crimes impress us as being so serious and heinous that we think b) is impossible, so we default to a) with a sentence of life in prison without parole.

I'm sorry, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about the McKinney and Henderson cases to render an opinion.

I wonder, though, if your question is aimed more at the context from which that statement came, which, if I recall correctly, was about God not being able to rest unless any and all imperfections that God has chosen not to forgive are being punished with eternal conscious torment. Fortunately, no human has that capacity for infinite punishment, and fortunately, God is more gracious than human beings. At least, that's how I understand God. And that's why I trust God ... I hope that helps!


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I'm really looking forward to being interviewed for On Being with Krista Tippett at Wild Goose Festival this summer. I hope you'll come!


A reader writes: an (un)sinner's prayer

I just finished a chapter in your book and I couldn't help but think that in the evangelical tradition we need an (un) sinners prayer. Perhaps it would sound something like this:
I have become aware that the path I am on is not at all what you had in mind. It turns out that this path has led to decisions and consequences that have negatively affected my life, those who are close to me, those I hardly know and has even contributed to the problems in the culture at large. I have decided to pursue a new path, one that is more in line with what I am learning God had in mind. But, I can not do this alone, I will need the help of others who can give me perspective and help me in my journey.
Thanks. This might help someone today!

A reader writes: changing on homosexuality

A reader writes ...

i am, more or less, an all-the-things-you-wrote-about Christian in "a generous orthodoxy" and more, or less ... desirous of being more like Christ.

i loved that book, which i read 6 or 7 years ago. since "life-changing" is an over-used phrase which makes me cringe... i will say your book was transforming ... as it renewed my mind and refreshed my spirit so tremendously. thank you.

today, one of my sweet daughters is a beautiful adult woman, and in a same-sex relationship. like you, the Lord had been working on my heart regarding this subject years before she was and years before i knew of it. yet, when it hit home, i was hurt, grieved, ashamed, fearful, confronted, behaved religiously. since then i have repented, and am now "in transition" ... for lack of a better description.

... i have asked God to teach me about the subject of sex and fornication many times over many years for many reasons. i do not believe homosexuality to be the abomination that the Christian church, at large, condemns; nor do i see some very loving, committed to Christ and loyal to each other heterosexual, unmarried relationships as sinful as most preachers preach. in the Christian community in which i live, my family and friends, i am alone on this issue. if and when i state my views, people think i have "softened" (compromised) due to my daughter's involvement and that i am deceived. as i stated above, the holy spirit convicted me regarding this subject long before that, yet i reacted hypocritically at first, to my own dismay. i do not condemn myself for that as i believe God is in me and with me, even in that ... to bring me to where i am today and to where He is preparing to take me.

lovingly yours, in Christ,

Thanks for sharing your story. As I initially read it, I imagined two scenarios.

The first unfolds back in the 1960's or early 1970's in an American Evangelical church:

... today, one of my sweet daughters is a beautiful adult woman, and she recently married a previously divorced man. like you, the Lord had been working on my heart regarding this subject years before she was in this relationship. yet, when it hit home, i was hurt, grieved, ashamed, fearful, confronted, behaved religiously. since then i have repented, and am now "in transition" ... for lack of a better description.

... i have asked God to teach me about the subject of divorce and remarriage many times over many years for many reasons. i do not believe divorce to be the abomination that the Christian church, at large, condemns; nor do i see some very loving, committed to Christ and loyal to each other second-marriages as sinful as most preachers preach. in the Christian community in which i live, my family and friends, i am alone on this issue. if and when i state my views, people think i have "softened" (compromised) due to my daughter's involvement and that i am deceived. as i stated above, the holy spirit convicted me regarding this subject long before that, yet i reacted hypocritically at first, to my own dismay. i do not condemn myself for that as i believe God is in me and with me, even in that ... to bring me to where i am today and to where He is preparing to take me.

The second unfolds back in the 1950's in a Southern state in the US, with you as a Caucasian Christian parent:

... today, one of my sweet daughters is a beautiful adult woman, and in an inter-racial marriage. like you, the Lord had been working on my heart regarding this subject years before she was in this relationship. yet, when it hit home, i was hurt, grieved, ashamed, fearful, confronted, behaved religiously. since then i have repented, and am now "in transition" ... for lack of a better description.

... i have asked God to teach me about the subject of race and discrimination many times over many years for many reasons. i do not believe inter-racial dating to be the abomination that the Christian church, at large, condemns; nor do i see some very loving, committed to Christ and loyal to each other inter-racial marriages as sinful as most preachers preach. in the Christian community in which i live, my family and friends, i am alone on this issue. if and when i state my views, people think i have "softened" (compromised) due to my daughter's involvement and that i am deceived. as i stated above, the holy spirit convicted me regarding this subject long before that, yet i reacted hypocritically at first, to my own dismay. i do not condemn myself for that as i believe God is in me and with me, even in that ... to bring me to where i am today and to where He is preparing to take me.

No two situations are perfectly analogous, of course. This kind of argument-by-anology doesn't prove anything decisively, and good people still see this issue differently and will for quite a while. But the parallels are provocative.


A new resource integrating moves from Yoga, Tai Chi, and Chi Gong with Christian Spirituality

"My God, I pray better to you by breathing. I pray better to you by walking than by talking." -Thomas Merton (Dialogues with Silence)

A few years ago I wrote a book called Naked Spirituality. I tried to write a book on the spiritual life that I wish someone could have given me thirty or forty years ago.

In it, I tried to strip away superficial layers to get to twelve essential practices or postures of the heart. The book has been warmly received, and I continue to hear about churches, classes, retreat centers, spiritual directors, and others who are finding it a helpful resource. (Readers have been sharing their own creative resources in response to the book here.)

Shortly after the book came out, I had a conversation with my friends Bob and Suzanne Jackson. Suzanne is a widely-respected opera singer and yoga instructor. She has worked with notables like Placido Domingo, helping them use yoga and related disciplines to improve their art.

Suzanne and I started talking about Naked Spirituality and how the twelve simple words in the book could be fused with movement to help people move from "wordy prayer" towards simple prayer ... body prayer ... and wordless prayer.


We started dreaming up a series of videos that would help people integrate body movement and deepening heart-postures of prayer. We found a gorgeous location and started working on a script that help both people who had read the book and people who hadn't. We set aside several days to video me introducing the postures of the heart while Suzanne presents the bodily movement.

We called the videos Twelve Simple Words.

Those downloadable videos are now available for your use through the Wordless Prayer website.

You could ...
1. Use the videos to accompany the Naked Spirituality book in your book club or study group
2. Begin your home group with ten minutes of movement each week
3. Explore them with your youth group
4. Introduce children to movement as a way of prayer and inner composure
5. Make these movements a part of your daily practice each morning or evening.
6. Introduce simple body prayer on a retreat or even in a worship service
7. Use as a short family devotional time
8. Introduce them at your local yoga studio as a way of integrating movement and prayer

Christians have always used their bodies in prayer - sitting quietly, standing, kneeling, raising hands, even lying prostrate. It's exciting now to see a greater integration of more thoughtful bodily movement with contemplative Christian spirituality, especially creating an atmosphere that is hospitable to people from a wide variety of religious or nonreligious backgrounds. We hope you'll find Twelve Simple Words to be meaningful in your own life - and a resource to share with others.


Open Letter to Worship Leaders (Revised)

Several years ago, I wrote an open letter for worship songwriters and leaders. It appeared in Worship Leader magazine and was widely distributed. It seemed like time for an update (especially in light of the "Liturgical Challenge" section of my most recent book) ... Feel free to pass it on to a worship leader or songwriter you know and love:

An Open Letter to Worship Songwriters (2013) (by Brian D. McLaren, www.brianmclaren.net)

Greetings, fellow songwriters, fellow worshippers, fellow leaders in worship, fellow musician/artists, and fellow Christians who are working for deep renewal in Christian faith, identity, life and mission:

For about seven years now, I have been writing and speaking “on the road” full time, speaking to Christian leaders from across the denominational spectrum, from Africa to Asia to Europe to Latin America to the North America. For twenty-four years before that, I served as a church planter and pastor serving a church that committed itself to grapple with the rapidly changing culture we often refer to as "emerging" - postmodern, post-colonial, post-industrial, post-nationalist, post-communist, and so on.

There are no maps to guide us in this adventure – nobody can offer a $39.95 package that will get you through the postmodern transition if five easy steps. We only know we’re on a quest to honor God and follow Jesus, in the power of the Holy Spirit, rooted in the Scriptures and educated by our rich (and checkered) Christian tradition. We find ourselves in a story very much like the children of Israel did when they left Egypt and crossed the Sea into the unknown wilderness. We’re trusting that a God-sent cloud-pillar and fire-cloud will guide us by day and night.

In my travels, I have the opportunity to be with hundreds of worship teams, bands, and leaders, and have spent hundreds of hours being led in worship - from high liturgical to store-front Pentecostal, from "under a tree" indigenous to rock-concert-megachurch, from house church with a lone guitar to cathedral with a massive pipe organ and a mass choir. There are many observations and affirmations I could imagine sharing with you who are worship leaders based on my experience. But one request stands out: a request for the songwriters among us to explore and then lead us into some new lyrical/spiritual territory.

One still hears a lot of complaints about lame music, trite and repetitive lyrics, theological shallowness, etc., etc., in the world of contemporary Christian music. Some of these complaints come from people who secretly wish we would go back to singing hymns like they did back in the -50’s (18- or 19-, your pick). I am not interested in complaining, and I have more interest in what will be in the 2050's than in what was in the 1950's (the decade of my birth). My concern has to do with substance, because for all the musical changes (pipe organs to rock bands) and lyrical changes (traditional hymns to worship choruses), what we're singing - the content - hasn't changed much, except, perhaps, to be condensed or reduced.

Whether we're vocalizing in traditional four-part harmony or singing and swaying to a solid rock and roll beat, we're still generally celebrating the same basic theology that emerged in American frontier revivalism, or in British revivalism before that, or in the Reformation and Puritan eras still earlier. That theology served well (some irony is intended in that word "well") during the time of European colonialism and industrial-era exploitation of the planet. By and large it didn't disturb slavery or segregation or apartheid. It left public this-wordly life largely undisturbed while concentrating our private life on the afterlife, and on issues of guilt and forgiveness, hell and heaven, damnation and redemption.

Many of us have been going back to the Scriptures and allowing them to critique our theology. We have become convinced that there is more going on from Genesis to Revelation than the revelation of "the sinner's prayer" and "the Roman Road," or TULIP or this or that set of denominational distinctives. We have gotten a fresh vision of Jesus and his gospel of the kingdom (or reign, commonwealth, community, or ecosystem) of God.

That understanding of the gospel teaches us not to fear death. It infuses the afterlife with both hope. But it also gives us a sense of heightened accountability for how we live this life - in relation to the poor and marginalized, our enemies, future generations, and our fellow creatures in God's world. It proclaims good news of great joy, not just for "people like us," but for all people and all creation. Yes, it celebrates the holiness and joy of "one day in God's courts," but it also celebrates the holiness and joy of all of life, all work, all creation. Yes, it holds out a great future when "I'll fly away" and "the circle will be unbroken" in heaven. But it also celebrates a meaningful present when "I'll get involved" in the work of healing our broken circle on earth.

In short, it is a gospel of transformation and incarnation, not evacuation and abdication. We need songs and other liturgical elements that celebrate this powerful, holistic, integral, missional gospel.

Songwriters and worship leaders who only want to respond to market demands will be kept busy helping people rejoice within existing theological paradigms. That is good and needed work, I suppose. But we need more songwriters and worship leaders who will play a key spiritual role in the articulation and celebration of this more holistic theology in and among a new generation of worshipers.

Sadly, as I have sat in scores of venues listening (and usually participating in) extended times of worship around the world, I have sensed that our song lyrics are usually keeping us happy in the sanctuary of the status quo. They give us a kind of sugary theological chewing gum - keeping us busy without adding much in the way of nourishment. They are in some ways holding us back - repackaging some highly problematic theology in hipper camouflage.

Let me make this specific: Too many of our lyrics are embarrassingly personalistic, as if the whole gospel revolved around "Jesus and me." Personal intimacy with God is a priceless gift indeed, and such a wonderful step above a cold, abstract, wooden recitation of dogma. But it isn’t the whole story. In fact – this might shock some – it isn’t necessarily the main point of the story. A popular worship song I've heard in many venues says that worship is “all about You, Jesus.” But apart from that line, it really feels like worship and Christianity in general have become “all about me, me, me,” or maybe "us, us, us" (where us = privileged spiritual consumers in the Western religious industrial complex).

If you doubt what I’m saying, listen next time you’re singing in worship. It’s about how Jesus forgives me/us, embraces me/us, makes me/us feel his presence, strengthens me, forgives me, holds me close, touches me, revives me, etc., etc. Now this is all fine. But if an extraterrestrial outsider from Mars were to observe us, I think he would say either a) that these people are all mildly dysfunctional and need a lot of hug therapy (which is ironic, because they are among the most affluent in the world, having been materially blessed in every way more than any group in history), or b) that they don’t give a rip about the rest of the world, that their religion/spirituality makes them as selfish as anyone else, but just in spiritual things rather than material ones.

I don’t think either of these indictments are as true as they would sound to a Martian observer; rather, I think that we songwriters keep writing songs like these because we think that’s what people want and need. The scary thing is that even though I don’t think these indictments are completely true … they could become more true unless we take some corrective action and look for a better balance.

It’s embarrassing to admit, but some of us are thinking right now, “If spiritual songwriting is not about deep, personal intimacy with God, what else is there?” Let me offer a list of Biblical themes I think we would do well to explore in our lyrics:

1. You’ll be surprised to hear me say “eschatology” first – and let me assure you that I don’t mean putting the latest apocalyptic novel to music. By eschatology (which means study of the end or goal towards which the universe moves), I mean the Biblical vision of God’s future which is pulling us toward itself. For many of you, raised like me in late-modern eschatologies, you’ll be surprised to hear that there is a whole new approach to eschatology emerging. This approach doesn’t indulge in future-telling charts or shaky predictions. Rather, it bathes itself in the Biblical poetry of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Revelation … poetry which, when it enters us, plants in us a vision of a world very much different from and better than ours. And when this hope grows and takes root in us, we become agents of it.

What joy I can imagine being expressed in songs that capture the spirit of Isaiah 9:2-7, 25:6-9, 35:1-10, 58:5-14! Who will write those songs?

They need to be written, because people need hope. They need a vision of a good future on earth as in heaven. They need their imaginations set afire with hopeful images of the celebration, peace, justice, and wholeness towards which our dismal, conflicted, polluted, and fragmented world must move. This is much, much bigger than songs about me being evacuated to heaven with Jesus, leaving the earth to be destroyed.

Dig into those passages, songwriters … and let your heart be inspired to write songs of hope, songs of vision, songs that lodge in our hearts a dream of the future that has been too long forgotten … the dream of God’s kingdom coming, and God’s will being done on earth as it is in heaven. Write songs about polluted rivers running clear again, about smokestacks giving way to wind generators, about drones, assault weapons, and bullets being melted down and recast as playgrounds, plows, and trumpets. Write songs about people waging peace, about land thieves returning lands, about the seas being full of fish again, about farmland being cherished rather than plundered, about the rich using their wealth to create opportunity for others rather than hoarding it for themselves. Write songs about slums becoming joyful communities, about polar bears and sea turtles making a comeback (for they too, are beloved by their Creator), about forests and valleys and coral reefs being cherished as God's original temples.

2. You may be equally surprised to hear me suggest that we need songs of mission. Many of us believe that a new, larger sense of mission is the key element needed as we move into the future. We're not just talking about missions, and not just evangelism, but mission – participating in the mission of God, the kingdom of God, which is so much bigger and grander than our little schemes of organizational self-aggrandizement.

Jesus came not to be served, but to serve … and as he was sent, so he sent us into the world. The very heart of our identity as followers of Christ must not be that we are the people who have been chosen to be blessed, saved, rescued, and blessed some more. This is a half-truth heresy that our songs currently root more and more deeply in our people. No, the heart of our identity is that we are the people who have been blessed (as was Abraham) to be a blessing, blessed so that we may convey blessing to the world, blessed not to the exclusion of others but for the blessing and benefit of all.

For many of us, the world exists for the church. It is like a strip mine, and people are mined out of it to build the church, which is the only thing that really matters. It's time for us to acknowledge that this kind of image is disgusting. It mirrors the raping and plundering of the environment by our modern industrial enterprises. In it, the church is another industry, another mega-corporation, taking and exploiting for its own profit.

How different is the image of the church as the apostolic (or missional) community, sent into the world as Christ’s hands, feet, eyes, smile, heart. We need songs that celebrate this missional dimension – good songs, and many!

For inspiration, we have to again go back to Scripture, and read the prophets, and the gospels, and engage their heart for the poor, the needy, the broken. Shouldn’t these themes be expressed in song? Don’t they deserve that dignity? Remember Colossians 3,where Paul talks about singing the teachings of Christ to one another in songs of the spirit?

3. You may be equally surprised to hear me recommend that we re-discover historic Christian spirituality and express it in our lyrics. There is a wealth of historic spiritual writings, including many beautiful prayers from the pre-modern era, that are crying for translation into contemporary song. Every era in history has rich resources to offer, from the Patristic period to the Celtic period to the Puritan period. On every page of Thomas a Kempis, in every prayer of the great medieval saints, right up to the work of Walter Rauschenbusch, Karl Barth, and Dr. King, there is inspiration waiting for us. When we look at the repetitive and formulaic lyrics that millions of Christians are singing these days (because that’s what we’re writing, folks), the missed opportunity is heartbreaking. These “alien voices” will stretch our hearts and enrich them immeasurably … and eventually, these voices will become the voices of friends, of brothers and sisters, because that is what they are – if we invite them into our worship through songs.

4. You will likely be less surprised to hear me say that we need songs that are simply about God … songs giving God the spotlight, so to speak, for God as God, God’s character, God’s glory, God's beauty, God's wonder and mystery, not just congratulating God for the great job God is doing at making me feel good. And similarly, we need songs that celebrate what God does for the world – the whole world – not just for me, or us. If you have no idea what I’m talking about, read the Psalms, because they love to celebrate what the Lord does for the whole earth, not just the people of Israel.

Many of the songs we need will also celebrate God as Creator … an important theme in Scripture, but not for most of our churches. We have lacked a good creation theology in the modern era, and we need songwriters/artists and theologians to join together in the emerging culture to celebrate God as God of creation, not only 14.7 billion years ago (or whenever) but today, now … "Lord of the starfields" (as one of my favorite songwriters put it), the God who knows the sparrows that fall, whose glory still flashes in the lightning bolt, whose kindness still falls like the morning dew, whose mysteries are still imaged in the depths of the ocean and the vast expanse of the night sky.

While we're at it, how about we find ways to stop reducing God to maleness? The God of Scripture is imaged by male and female alike, but sadly, many of our hymns and contemporary songs reinforce God as a male-only deity. We can start by acknowledging - as Scripture does - that both a mother's and father's love image God's love. And we can continue by learning to avoid male pronouns in referring to our majestic Creator. You don't have to make a big deal about it. You can just do it.

5. I should also mention songs of lament. The Bible is full of songs that wail, the blues but even bluer, songs that feel the agonizing distance between what we hope for and what we have, what we could be and what we are, what we believe and what we see and feel. The honesty is disturbing, and the songs of lament don’t always end with a happy Hallmark-Card-Precious-Moments cliché to try to fix the pain. Sometimes I think we’re already a little too happy, excessively happy on a superficial level: the only way to become more truly and deeply happy is to become sadder, by feeling the pain of the chronically ill, the desperately poor, the mentally ill, the lonely, the aged and forgotten, the oppressed minority, the widow and orphan. (In a recent book, Naked Spirituality, I explain this lack of lament in terms of stunted spiritual development, and I try to center a constructive understanding of spiritual pain in the simple words when?, no!, and why?)

This pain must find its way into song, and these songs must find their way into our churches. The bitter will make the sweet all the sweeter. Without the bitter, the sweet can become cloying, which is why too many of our churches feel, I think, like Candyland. Is it too much to ask that we be more honest? Since doubt is part of our lives, since pain and waiting and as-yet unresolved disappointment are part of our lives, can’t these things be reflected in the songs of our communities? Doesn’t endless singing about celebration lose its vitality (and even its credibility) if we don’t also sing about the struggle?

6. We need to explore fresh and deeper understandings of the gospel - Jesus' gospel. Many of us were raised in contexts that reduced Jesus' gospel to a theory of atonement. We were largely unaware that Jesus' gospel was the good news of the kingdom of God available now, to all, starting with the least, the last, and the lost. Our gospel was a sinners'-prayer gospel, a sin-management quick/easy/convenient free-ticket-to-heaven gospel, a gospel that (to quote the inimitable Dallas Willard) wanted Jesus for his blood and little else. We marginalized Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and selected instead a string of convenient out-of-context texts from Romans, with maybe a verse or two from John (also taken out of context) thrown in. The result was a formulaic gospel that focused on forgiveness and stopped there.

That's like getting a bunch of runners at the starting line. The starting gun goes off and they step across the line and start dancing and celebrating for starting the race.

We have thousands of songs - Puritan and Victorian to "contemporary" - that celebrate this reduced gospel. They do so with great passion and finesse, because that was the best or only understanding of the gospel available to them. But now, as we go back to the Scriptures and grapple with deeper, wider, and more integral understandings of the gospel, we need songwriters to dare to celebrate new understandings in song. How can we sing about the cross in its full range of earth-shaking New Testament meaning? How can we sing about Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and ascension outside the confines of a reduced gospel? How can we rediscover the gospel - not as a new way to appease a hostile God, but as a new understanding of God as gracious, not needing appeasement, who calls us into a new way of life characterized by reconciliation, inclusion, service, and peacemaking? The best critique of the old is a better celebration of the new, and we need talented songwriters to do the hard work of pioneering that celebration.

7. Finally, we need songs that are occasional - for important occasions in community life. We need more great eucharistic songs (keeping #6 in mind), more great gathering and departing songs, more songs that support "entering God's gates with thanksgiving" and more songs that support intercessory prayer. We need great songs for baptisms, great songs for benedictions, great songs for funerals, great songs for births.

In this process, we need to preserve everything good in our tradition. Sometimes, that might mean keeping a familiar and beloved tune and providing new lyrics. Sometimes that might mean substituting a single word or a single verse. Sometimes it will mean dropping a verse that is problematic, preferably with a footnote and explanation. (Take, for example, this frightful lyric from the otherwise-beautiful hymn "All Things Bright and Beautiful": "The rich man in his castle,/The poor man at his gate,/He made them high or lowly/and ordered their estate." Sounds like it's right out of a Charles Dickens novel, the kind of verse Scrooge would sing with gusto. It was removed from most hymnals decades ago.)

In closing, I'd like to offer a few stylistic observations and requests.

First, is it not time to fully and finally get over King James English in our new lyrics, even if we choose to retain it in our old? Enough said.

Second, may I suggest that we be careful about using gratuitous Biblical language – Zion, Israel, go forth, on high, etc., etc.? If there is a good reason to use such language – in other words, if we are using it intentionally, not just for a “spiritual feel,” then fine. Otherwise, if we can find contemporary language and imagery that would communicate more crisply, poignantly, immediately, and deeply to people who don’t already have a lot of pew time … then let’s use it, in the spirit of I Corinthians 14, where intelligibility to the spiritual seeker is a gospel virtue.

Third, in an era of Quran-burnings, terrorism, and counter-terrorism, is it wise to perpetuate in our songs the language of warfare and hostility? I know such language is common in both the Bible and our tradition. No doubt there is a time and place to talk about that imagery (properly transformed within the gospel). But remember: warfare imagery sounded very different on the lips of a tiny Middle Eastern Bronze-Age minority than it does on the lips of the most heavily-armed and nuclear-capable nation in the history of history. These days I consider it irresponsible to use warfare language that can easily be co-opted by political forces that don't distinguish between spiritual warfare and flesh-and-blood, bullet-and-bomb warfare. We all need a strong dose of Sermon-on-the-Mount peaceableness right about now, don't you agree?

The same goes for language that dehumanizes the other - terms like "the lost," "the nations," "the unsaved," and so on. If we're not careful, these words turn us into smug insiders and render others depersonalized outsiders, which is all the more tragic and ironic when we claim to follow a leader who identified with the outsiders.

Fourth, musically, am I the only one wishing for more rhythmic variety? Why is it that I am being blessed so much by creative drummers and percussionists wherever I go?

Fifth, can our worship leaders enrich the musical experience by reading Scripture, great prayers of the historic church, creeds, confessions, and poems over musical backgrounds? Whether or not you appreciate rap music, it’s trying to tell us something about the abiding power of the spoken word, the well-chosen spoken word that is. (I think you'll agree that we have far too many less-than-well-chosen spoken words already.

And speaking of confessions and creeds ... is it time to confess in contemporary terms what we most poignantly regret and what we most sincerely believe?

And finally, can our lyricists start reading more good poetry, good prose, so they can be sensitized to the powers of language, the grace of a well-turned phrase, the delight of a freshly discovered image, the prick or punch or caress or jolt that is possible if we wrestle a little harder and stretch a little farther for the word that really wants to be said from deep within us? Sadly, while many of our songs have better and better music, but the lyrics still feel like “cliché train” – one linked to another, with a monotonous recycling of plastic language and paper triteness.

When I wrote a version of this letter several years ago, things were much worse than they are now. Many creative songwriters have been making important breakthroughs in recent years (thanks be to God!). But we still have a long way to go, which opens up lots of opportunities for creative leaders ... like you.

Thanks for considering these things. I hope this letter will contribute to an important and ongoing conversation, and I hope it will stimulate creativity too.

Your fellow worshipper,
Brian McLaren


Q & R: How Would You Define You, Part 2

(For Part 1, go here:)

Someone recently asked me to "define me" in response to the following quote about some friends of mine and me.

“But their answers have often lacked the substance on which we can live, and what goes by the name of ‘emerging church’ now appears to have settled into another version of mainline Christianity.”

I thought I'd add two comments. First, on Mainline Christianity.

In my most recent book on Christian identity in a multi-faith world, I explore how groups typically build identity among "us" through hostility to "them." In my experience, many Evangelicals and Mainliners know who they are largely through hostility to one another: "We are not-them," or even "We are anti-them." (Maybe as Protestants, they needed each other in this way after the Protestant feud with Catholicism ran its course.)

On both sides, I sense some hardening of those us-them categories - and on both sides, more and more people are seeking to re-engage with generous voices "on the other side." For example, you would be hard-pressed to find among younger Evangelical pastors a bookshelf (at home, if not at the office) that doesn't include books by Walter Brueggemann, Barbara Brown Taylor, Fred Buechner, Diana Butler Bass, etc., if not also Marcus Borg, Dom Crossan, Jack Spong, or Sally McFague. And there wouldn't be too many Mainline bookshelves that didn't include something by Don Miller, Rob Bell, Bill Hybels, N. T. Wright, Scot McKnight, or Rachel Held Evans.

If I could get one message through to so called "conservative" Christians about so-called "liberal" mainliners, I would ask them to look at this list:

Opposing enslavement of Native Peoples during the colonial era
Opposing colonialism in general
Abolition of slavery
Ending racial segregation
Promoting affirmative action regarding racial equality
Equal rights for women
Opposing elective wars
Defending free scientific inquiry about the "shape" of the universe
Defending free scientific inquiry about the age of the earth
Defending free scientific inquiry about biological evolution
Promoting environmental responsibility
Defending a safety net for poor
Promoting interfaith understanding
Seeking equality for LGBTQ people

On every one of these issues, the conservative Christian majority of their era - Catholic, Protestant, etc. - took the wrong side. On every one. On every one of these issues, a progressive Christian minority took the right side. Every one. Sometimes I think we should define a conservative as someone who agrees with progressives 50 years late. I think we're somewhere into that 50-year process on LGBTQ issues at the moment.

So I would say that if you're Evangelical, rather than looking with disdain on your Mainline brothers and sisters, try some humility. It changes your perspective. (And when I speak to Mainliners about Evangelicals, I say the same thing, because I could create another list - perhaps I will - about issues/practices/values where Evangelicals have led the way or held moral high ground - a balance Rachel Held Evans struck perfectly in a recent blog, I think. BTW - I'm aware that many mainliners aren't progressive, and some evangelicals are progressive. Again, as has been said, labels have a purpose, but they also carry lots of imprecision.)

I was recently in a conversation where all of the participants were bona-fide Evangelicals (with the possible exception of me, depending on whom you ask), and all of the participants were African American, Latin American, Asian American, and Native American, except me. Several of them said something like this, in several ways, at several points in the conversation: "The center of resistance to our well-being and full inclusion as minorities in America, along with the well-being of the planet's ecology, lies in American Evangelicalism." I was stunned by their candor.

I never set out to leave Evangelicalism. I simply wanted to ask the questions I couldn't help but ask and tell the truth as I saw it about some of these things. I'm glad that I was welcomed by Mainliners. And wherever Evangelicals want me around, I'm glad and honored to be there. And the same goes for Catholics and others too.

So I'm not bothered if people want to say I've "gone Mainline." Some would say Mainliners have low enough standards to accept me, and others would say they have more space, grace, and welcome ...

Second, on "the emerging church." This is a term I have generally avoided, depending on who's using it and why. As I explain in my most recent book, many of us are trying to figure out which adjectives to add in front of the problematized noun "Christian." For some, it's born again, for others it's Spirit-filled, and for others, it's born-again-Spirit-filled-Bible-believing. For others it's progressive, or Anabaptist, or missional, or Vatican II Catholic, or whatever. The subtitle of A Generous Orthodoxy pretty much proves that I don't have an easy solution to the problem. I think the term "Emergence Christianity" steers in a good direction, as does "Convergence Christianity," but sometimes I think the problem is with the noun, not the adjectives. Lately, I try to speak of "Christian faith" instead of "Christianity" for reasons that might be obvious or might not. Anyway, I can work with a lot of adjectives and am interested in building bridges to common ground, not erecting walls and fences to keep others at bay.

I never liked the way "emerging church" felt like yet another market sector, and I suspected that in that word "church" there still were a lot of unexamined assumptions hiding like stowaways. My hope is that from the conversations of recent decades, something bigger and more beautiful and dynamic is emerging than we have yet seen ... or labeled.

The only other thing I'd add ... what concerned me most in the quote wasn't what it infers about "mainline" or "emerging", but this: "... their answers have often lacked substance on which we can live." I suppose we all have differing criteria for substance ... but I know, for me, my life as a pastor and now as a writer has been about a quest for "substance on which to live." So if somebody feels I haven't arrived there yet to the degree they have, they can at least take comfort that my quest continues.


Q & R: Hades, hell, etc.

Here's the Q:

I've read quite a few of your books... I'd like to espouse your cause
but have honest questions. Jesus in Luke 16:19-31 speaks of "hades"
or hell. He speaks of Abraham as saying (verses 29 & 31) that people
have Moses and the prophets relating to this. So how can you say that
the concept of hell in Christendom is a result of it being high jacked
by the Greco/Roman philosophy?

Here's the R:
I've written about this in most detail in my book The Last Word and the Word After That.

One brief comment. Whatever that passage teaches, it does not teach that the only way to go to heaven is by believing in a Christian atonement theory. It does not teach that the only way to avoid hell is through adherence to a certain religion or creed. It does not teach that the sinner's prayer will lead to heaven. If it teaches anything (in a literalistic sense), it is that rich people go to hell and poor people go to heaven, or that people who are lacking in compassion for the poor go to hell and the poor they are careless toward go to heaven. So ... if people want to take the passage literally, they should teach what it plainly teaches.

I don't believe Jesus is teaching us about the geography or ontology of hades/hell in this passage, any more than I believe he is teaching about being able to communicate across the "chasm" between heaven and hell. I believe he is teaching us that the living God is deeply concerned about the way we treat the poorest and most vulnerable among us. Any way of interpreting the text that takes us away from that central moral summons is, I think, a colossal adventure in missing the point.

Caring for the poor is what Moses and the prophets emphasized - as, for example, Deuteronomy 15 and Isaiah 58 make clear.

I know that differs from what many have been taught, but I think it's pretty hard to reach any other conclusion when you approach the texts reverently and without preconceived conclusions in mind.


Q & R: Jihad?

Here's the Q:

What, in your understanding, is jihad?

Here's the R:
My Muslim friends tell me that in Arabic, the word means "struggle." It can mean a private internal struggle - or it can mean an external social, physical, or military struggle. In that way, the word is a lot like "crusade" in English. You can have a crusade against violence - or a violent crusade against an enemy. When Billy Graham used the word, he had something very different in mind from Pope Urban II.

I think conservative Christians who use the term "spiritual warfare" will have a sense of what many Muslims mean by "jihad." In both religions, sadly, warfare language that is metaphorical can easily be "literalized" and "weaponized" by violent leaders.

That's why in all my most recent books, I've written a lot about violence in religion. I think it's time for us to firmly and decisively repudiate religious violence. The differences between this religion and that are important and meaningful, but the differences between violent and peaceable varieties within each religion demand focused attention by us all.


Thanks to all who responded yesterday ...

... to my request for help.If you can't help at this time, you might know someone who can ... it would be great if you could forward the request to them. Over the weekend I'll be responding to all who reply. Again, thanks. Response has been truly gratifying.



There's a new Walter Brueggemann site up. A great resource!

Back in February, Adam Hamilton wrote one of the shortest yet most helpful pieces on the church's struggle over human sexuality ... here:

An important update on our global climate - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/opinion/sunday/climate-warnings-growing-louder.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fopinion%2Findex.jsonp
If you haven't read my book Everything Must Change, this wouldn't be a bad time to do so.

A great piece from Southern Baptist Ed Stetzer. May more and more people share the generous spirit he articulates here. Quotable:

Don't be so lazy to assume that the worst of a group represents the entire group. They hardly ever do. Perhaps a better idea is to meet them, learn about them and treat them as your neighbor.

Want to visit the Middle East from your own home? Here's an excellent chance, through an interview with Alick Isaacs. http://www.middleeastexperience.com/meet-alick-isaacs-on-may-22nd/#.UZpi1ZW--K9

And here's an important new book on Israel and Palestine by Michael McRay who lived there as an agent of peace: https://wipfandstock.com/store/Letters_from_Apartheid_Street_A_Christian_Peacemaker_in_Occupied_Palestine

A few months ago, I spoke in Memphis and met the good people of Church Health Center. If you're looking for a fascinating embodiment of the oft-used but seldom-defined term missional, I'd say these folks are a great place to start. On staff there is Stacy Smith - a gifted leader and the co-author of a book I really enjoyed, suitable for clergy of any gender: Bless Her Heart: Life as a Young Clergy Woman.

My friend Shane Claiborne wrote a powerful piece about the death penalty recently. It makes an obvious connection between that issue and a well-known Bible story - one I had never recognized. Read it here. Shane introduced me to Heather Beaudoin and the work of EJUSA, a group drawing attention to one of the most under-acknowledged justice issues in America. You can learn more and sign a related petition here.

Sheldon Good contributes to a thoughtful and challenging article on terrorism and US foreign policy, here. Quotable:

This nation has always struggled to align its ideals with its historical reality, climaxing in movements to abolish slavery and uphold citizenship and voting rights for women and minorities. That struggle continues as the nation deals with its new position as a global empire, the clear aggressor in its conflicts abroad. But it will come down to our collective efforts if we are to reverse the momentum that brings that war home, with all of its violence and evil. It is not just our liberty or our security that is at stake, but our humanity.

A great article and a great conference on peace-making ... which should be an essential part of Christian formation.

Finally, here's an article and interview about one of my recent trips.


A Request for Help

Readers of my books and blog know that I am a movement person.

On this blog, in my speaking, and in my books I get behind a wide array of organizations, causes, and projects that I sense are moving in the same general direction. My great sense of calling has been, and continues to be, to contribute to a broad-based movement that embodies a Christ-like ethos and leads to Christ-like action for the good of the world.

Grace and I recently decided to make a significant financial investment in building some behind-the-scenes support structures for this movement to take its next steps.
I think the time is ripe.

I’m looking for some people to join in this initiative.

Let me be clear: I’m not asking for money for myself. Grace and I both work hard and we cover our own expenses. Our desire is to give and seek others to join us in giving.

What I’m looking for is a team of partners to join me in a generous and strategic impulse.

If you believe in the kinds of things I write, say, and do, and would like to join me in making a significant financial investment over the next three years - to help a broad-based, diverse, and deep Christian movement rise to the next level, I am hoping we can come together in a joint project.

You might be able to give in the four, five, six, or seven figures. Or you might know a person, foundation, or other donor who can. Or you might be willing to start giving a smaller amount on a regular basis for the long term.

At a later date, I’ll be asking for people who can help with skills ... but first, we need some people who can put together some funds.

If you are open to explore this further (no pressure or obligation, of course), I hope you’ll contact me at this email address:

I’ll be back in touch with more information within a few days. (Of course, I’ll keep your contact information confidential and it won’t be sold or given to anybody else.)

Thanks for considering this request for help and passing/forwarding/tweeting it on to others who you believe might be able and happy to help.

Warmly and gratefully,


Q & R: Christ and His Death

Here's the Q:

Hi Brian. Great work you doing, Bro. Hang in there.
A question about your Christology. Have read several of your books but can't really get a handle on your idea of the need for Christ and His death. If you don't believe in original sin, what do you think was the purpose of the cross then?
Thanks and will keep following yr blog.

Here's the R: This is an important question. The places I deal with this most pointedly in my writings are
A New Kind of Christianity: You're very perceptive to realize that Christ is valuable and essential in what I call the "six lined narrative" because his death solves the problem of "original sin." If you're working in that narrative, if you take away original sin, the whole thing collapses. What never made sense to me, though, is that Christ was truly important to the early Christians before the doctrine of original sin had ever been articulated (which happened in part through Irenaeus in the 2nd century and mostly through Augustine in the 5th century). I propose a different narrative or "framing story" - one more based on the Hebrew narratives of creation, liberation, and reconciliation - and in that story, all dimensions of Christ - his birth, life, teaching, deeds, death, resurrection, ascension, sending of the Spirit, etc. - are truly important, meaningful, and needed.

Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? You're right that I question the popular conception of original sin, but it's not true that I don't believe in original sin. In my most recent book, I follow the work of James Alison and others in reading the key biblical texts behind the doctrine - exposing "the desire to acquire," the tendency to rivalry (including rivalry with God), and our proclivity to achieve peace through violence as our original sin. In that light, Jesus' death is more important than ever before ... but in a radically different way. I deal with this throughout the "Doctrinal Challenge" section, but it comes to a climax in my "Liturgical Challenge" chapter on Eucharist as table of fellowship and reconciliation, not altar of sacrifice.


Naked Spirituality

More and more churches are using Naked Spirituality as a basis for sermon series and small groups. Pastor DavidlTinney of Vancouver First United Methodist Church prepared a set of daily devotions based on the book and graciously agreed to share them.

You'll find the first ten weeks of devotions below, covering the words Here, Thanks, O, and Sorry. Again, thanks to David!

The Beginning of our Journey Theme for the week: Our response to God’s call

Day 1
Scripture: Genesis 17: 1-17
Reflection: It is good to know that the Bible is real and not written to hide emotions. I cannot imagine a document with such brutal honesty being written in today’s world of spin doctors and PR departments. We have all decided to take a journey together for the next year. We will also write and sign a covenant about how we treat each other and hold to the promises we agreed we wanted to share. Today’s reading is about a covenant and also about Abraham’s frank response to God’s promise. As you read this story today, put yourself in Abraham’s sandals and imagine that you are the one talking with God. Read it through completely and then go back again and find one word or phrase that captures your attention and spend a few moments repeating it slowly and heart-fully.

Questions to ponder:
What promise would you like to receive from God as you embark on this year-long journey?
If God spoke to your heart right now and said, “I am going to make you a mighty disciple and you will do great things,” would you fall down and laugh?

Prayer for the day: Lord this is all new to so many of us. This is the first time for many of us to take our spiritual journeys seriously. So we ask for your guidance and help.
As we enter into this journey we pause right now to pray for what we need for a covenant between us to be strong enough to bind and grow us.

You'll find the rest after the jump ...

Continue reading Naked Spirituality...


Festival of Homiletics

It was an honor and pleasure once again to be at Festival of Homiletics. What a warm and positive spirit ... My slides (including the Lord's Prayer Chant) are available, as always, here:


Q & R: Old album of music ...

Here's the Q:

HI! I met you years ago (around1984?) at a summer camp I went to with my friend. Anyway, at that camp I bought a cassette of your music and I love it and played it so much it s kind of worn out and doesn't play well anymore. The title escapes me at the moment but it had "Martha Martha slow down" on it. I would like to buy another one if you have anymore. Please let me know.

Here's the R:
It's free and downloadable, right here:


More on Dallas Willard

My UK editor, Katherine Venn, recently shared these reflections on Dallas Willard, who died last week from cancer:

I hope you’re well. I really loved your tribute to Dallas Willard on your blog; wasn’t he such an amazing man? I can honestly say that, of people who aren’t directly ‘in my life’ as it were, he has had the most profound impact on me spiritually. The Divine Conspiracy was an absolute game-changer for me. When I picked it up I didn’t know if I was a Christian, or even wanted to be; by the time I put it down I was overwhelmed by the beautiful vision of the kingdom he’d given me – and more than that, he shared the tools to put being a disciple into practice. I only met him a couple of times, but as a person, wasn’t he even more beautiful than his words? You can’t fake that kind of love, or humility, or graciousness. I consider him a spiritual grandfather and have wept more than a few tears since his death on Wednesday (I’m welling up as I write this…). We’ve lost a treasure, though I know that his influence will continue to shape the kingdom and the world it’s invading…

Editors of religious books meet a lot of people, and few of them elicit this kind of response. Thanks for allowing me to share your reflections, Katherine. I know they will resonate with many.


I'll be in Nashville at Festival of Homiletics tomorrow (Friday)

Hope to see many of you there!


Q & R: St. Teresa, a song, and a theological issue

Here's the Q:

At Cedar Ridge, our Sunday morning book group has been reading The Fire of the Word by Chris Webb (written when he was President of Renovaré). I don't know if you've read it. What prompts me to write is a section in Chapter 14, From Reading to Contemplation (pp. 177-181).

Webb references here the words attributed to Teresa of Ávila which start with "Christ has no body now but yours." Since you set these words to music (which we still sing from time to time at Cedar Ridge), this made me think of you. Webb insists that "Teresa never wrote anything of the sort and would almost certainly have found the sentiment shocking. The poem appears nowhere in her collected works or letters."

Webb believes the sentiments in this piece attributed to Teresa reflect a basic misunderstanding of the contemporary Western church that God needs us to achieve His purposes. Webb maintains "that the exact opposite is true," and this (opposite) understanding is the very basis of the contemplative life, and that contemplation would make no sense if the contemporary Western activist assumptions were correct.

My first question is a factual one. Do you have a source for the quote which would indicate it really was written by Teresa of Ávila?

In the second place, I would like to hear your comments on Webb's thesis that the activist approach, as exemplified in the poem, is a corruption of the true message of Christianity, and is at basic odds with the contemplative approach. I know that you and others (I think especially of Richard Rohr) see activism and contemplation as complementary rather than conflicting. I have tended to take that approach, which is why I found what Webb had to say somewhat startling. I would love to hear your comments on this.

We are doing well at Cedar Ridge, but we do miss you. Wish you could visit us more often.

And here's a follow-up:

I was interested in Chris Webb's contention (Fire of the Word, p. 178) that the poem "Christ has no body" usually attributed to Teresa of Ávila (and so attributed on the screen at Cedar Ridge when we sing the version set to music by Brian McLaren) was in fact not written by her, so I did a little exploration.

I found that several people who have studied Teresa in some depth agree that it is not her work. I found an interesting piece which suggests it is a combination of the work of Methodist minister Mark Guy Pearse and Quaker medical missionary Sarah Elizabeth Rowntree. That is a blog entry at http://mimuspolyglottos.blogspot.com/2011/11/whose-hands-another-possible-case-of.html

I found further support in another blog through a quote from a British Quaker periodical:

Sarah Eliza Rowntree gave an interesting account of the recent establishment of the “Home” in Pearl Street, and the progress of the Mission there. She appealed for more workers to assist its further usefulness, concluding with some words of Mark Guy Pearse, “Remember Christ has no human body now upon the earth but yours; no hands but yours; no feet but yours. Yours, my brothers and sisters, are the eyes through which Christ’s compassion has to look upon the world, and yours are the lips with which His love has to speak. Yours are the hands with which He is to bless men now, and yours the feet with which He is to go about doing good through His Church which is His body.” –The British Friend, volume 1, number 1, 1892, p. 15

(See http://livinginthemonasterywithoutwallsdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/christ-has-no-body-but-yours-teresa-of-avila/ ) This entry suggests that Rowntree added the first half of the poem to what Pearse had earlier written.

Here's the R:
First, thanks for doing all this research. It sounds like all the evidence is against these words being St. Teresa's. As you probably know, the same seems to be the case with a famous prayer "attributed to St. Francis." It reminds me that many things that we "know" based on "common knowledge" turn out to be questionable or false in the long run. The technical term for keeping this in mind is "epistemological humility." Thanks for adding to mine!

Thanks also for bringing up the polarity between a certain kind of contemplation and a certain kind of activism. Either extreme can be defended by quoting certain Bible verses - God does everything, so we can rest in God's sovereignty, and God does nothing except through us, so we must be busy and engaged.

After several decades of learning to follow Christ, I am firmly with Richard Rohr on this. He talks about how in the name of the organization he founded - Center for Action and Contemplation - the most important word is "and." As I contemplate God's character - for example, being deeply mindful of God's creativity and compassion - how can I not be inspired to let my own creativity and compassion grow? (I think of Paul's words about beholding as in a mirror God's glory, and being transformed into that glory.) And if I am compassionate and creative, I will find creative ways to move in compassion toward others.

Similarly, if I am active in working for worthy goals, I will continually face roadblocks - inner roadblocks in my own strength and know-how, outer roadblocks in intransigent systems of injustice, etc. At those times, I will be tempted to give up unless I retreat a little, engage in contemplation, and recenter on a God whose power and patience and commitment to good are equally unlimited.

So I don't pit the two against each other. Action without contemplation easily becomes a shrill moralism, and contemplation without action can easily become a smug indulgence in luxurious piety. But put the two together and you have a kind of "spiritual fusion" that can empower a spiritual movement.

I set the poem to music and recorded it with my gifted friend Tracy Howe Wispelwey.

Canadian treasure Steve Bell also has recorded it beautifully.

Whatever the source of the poem, I think it beautifully captures the daring image so precious to Paul - that we are the body, or embodiment, of Christ. What an honor to contemplate, and what a summons to action!


Friends in the UK

My creative non-fiction/instructive fiction "New Kind of Christian" trilogy is available via a UK publisher - SPCK - now:


I hope you'll enjoy having these available.


Links Roundup

A great new edition of my friend @iancron’s book “Chasing Francis” has just released. Order it now! http://bit.ly/11OBxwA #ChaseFrancis

Need an understandable introduction to the work of Rene Girard? Here it is:

A beautiful NPR report by Lily Percy on Gordon Cosby ...

Here's a love letter, to you:

Jonathan Merritt asks if Mark Driscoll is this generation's Pat Robertson. When I heard what he said at a recent Catalyst conference in TX, I thought he must have been joking. But apparently not. Young Evangelicals certainly have a choice in what they will make of Evangelicalism in the future, and Mark Driscoll represents one option.

The links on my recent post about Joe Boyd's new film project didn't come through. Hopefully they will this time!

And don't miss Anne Howard's piece on the church and Pentecost. Beautifully and insightfully written:


Q & R: 13 and feeling lost ...

Here's the Q:

Hi Brian. I feel like I don't even know God anymore. Please help!
I'm a thirteen year old girl from [a state in the south] and I go to a Christian school. About two years ago, my family and I left our church. We still haven't found a new church yet. Being under the influence of other teenagers all the time may be the cause of this. I have been thinking about my Christian faith for quite a while...it has shaken. I still love God, I just don't spend enough time in His word.
My questions are:
-Even though I have lost touch with Him, can I gain that "friendship" back? And how?
-I read the Bible sometimes and I don't feel anything. Why don't I feel Him anymore?
-How can I break old sinful habits and make new righteous ones?
I would really like to find my Christian identity that I seemed to have lost. It would mean so much to me to have a response!

Here's the R:
(I sent a private email to this sincere young Christian with some additional suggestions including this one: "... do you have a friend whose faith and life you really respect? Maybe you could ask them if you could start attending church or a youth group with them.")

First, I want to encourage you by telling you something you may not realize: you care! You care about whether you're in touch with God. You care whether you're living a good life. You care whether you get caught up in unhealthy habits. You want to experience closeness with God. These are amazing things! I know you're feeling kind of down right now - but I didn't want to say anything without saying, first, what a remarkable thing it is that you care. A lot of your peers, I think, wouldn't give any of this a second thought, you know?

I would rather have one young adult like yourself who cares but is frustrated than a thousand who don't care and are satisfied! What's essential (as I explained in my private email) is that you find some mentors - some folks a few steps farther down the road who will listen to you, encourage you, let you be 100% honest, and share with you what has helped them keep pressing forward in the Christian faith. (You could even show them this blog to give them an idea what you need.)

Of things I've written that might be helpful, at the top of the list would be my book "Naked Spirituality." And a close second would be "The Secret Message of Jesus."

I hope we'll get to meet someday in person. You're in my prayers today - and I know a lot of readers will join me.


A Jewish reader writes: Dickinson

Thank you for your book A New Kind of Christianity. As a Jewish man, and physician, it has insights that all faiths and professions can learn from. I found great wisdom in the Dickinson poem "Tell All the Truth" referenced in it as the poem eloquently explains why change is so difficult.

Truth must be told and available to everyone, but told as a line moving up (or down) or "slant", as a continuum with a beginning and an end. Successful myth or false truth happens when told over and over as if the circular repetition ("circuit") proves fact. "Success in circuit lies" or "Success in circuit, lies." Our "sick" or infirm spirit ("delight") cannot often see the the wonder ("superb surprise") of bright, powerful or blinding truth, like looking directly at the sun. As the power and shock of truth (lightning) settles ("eases") on our human, but limited (child-like) minds, with "kind," loving, constructive community reflection, truth is revealed, slowly and magically to "dazzle gradually." Taken too fast great truth is hidden in the plain sight of a dazzling sun ("or every man be blind").

You're so right: Emily Dickinson is a wonder. Thanks for your note.


A beautiful and needed prayer

My friend Mark shared this recently:

A Prayer of Indigenous Peoples, Refugees, Immigrants, and Pilgrims

Triune God
Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
We come before you as many parts of a single body.
You have called us together.
From different cultures, languages, customs, and histories. . .
Some of us indigenous - peoples of the land.
Some of us refugees, immigrants, pilgrims - people on the move.
Some of us hosts, some of us guests, some of us both hosts and guests
All of us searching for an eternal place where we can belong.

Creator, forgive us.
The earth is yours and everything that is in it.
But we forget...
In our arrogance we think we own it.
In our greed we think we can steal it.
In our ignorance we worship it.
In our thoughtlessness we destroy it.
We forget that you created it to bring praise and joy to you,
and you gave it as a gift,
for us to steward,
for us to enjoy,
for us to see more clearly your beauty and your majesty.

Jesus, save us.
We wait for your kingdom.
We long for your throne.
We hunger for your reconciliation,
for that day where people, from every tribe and every tongue
will gather around you and sing your praises.

Holy Spirit, teach us.
Help us to remember
that the body is made up of many parts.
Each one unique and every one necessary..
Teach us to embrace the discomfort that comes from our diversity
and to celebrate the fact that we are unified, not through our sameness,
but through the blood of our LORD and savior, Jesus Christ.

Triune God. We love you.
Your creation is beautiful.
Your salvation is merciful.
And your wisdom is beyond compare.

We pray this all in Jesus’ name.

(This prayer is found on page 270 of the hymnal "Lift Up Your Hearts"; published and copyright by Faith Alive, 2013)


In praise of The Office and Delta Airlines

I guess I'm a pretty serious guy, writing and speaking about matters of ultimate concern. But I also try not to miss any opportunity for merriment and frivolity. Not sure I could do the former without the latter.

So I'm among the many who will feel a bit emotional about the end of The Office next week. Few shows have made me laugh out loud as often. The mediocre episodes - of which their have been a few - have been pretty good, and only serve to make the excellent episodes all the more stellar. I think they've done a good job of bringing the show to a satisfying conclusion.

Also, I have to hand it to Delta Airlines. They have taken the airline safety spiel to new levels lately.
It went from this ...

To this:

and this ...

Every little bit helps!


Gone from mystery into mystery ...

I've been humming Bruce Cockburn's song today, after learning yesterday about the passing of Dallas Willard, who was diagnosed with stage-4 cancer late last year. His life was devoted to living and loving into four questions:

What is reality? What is the good life? Who is a good person? And how do you became a good person?

Dallas and I got to know each other more deeply when he and I were invited to meet with a group of young leaders several times over a period of a couple years. He was very kind to me on every occasion our paths crossed, as he was, I'm sure, to everyone. He agreed to meet with me for early breakfasts before the day's sessions got started, and sometimes again after the last session ended, so I could ply him with questions - philosophical, Biblical, theological, and practical. Whatever my questions, though, our conversations would drift back to what is reality, what is the good life, who is a good person, and how does one become a good person?

He once agreed to come preach at Cedar Ridge, where I served as a pastor for many years. "Is there a particular topic you would like me to address?" he asked. "I would like you to speak about God - just God," I said. That brought a big smile, being his favorite subject.

One of the many formative things he said to me happened on that visit. I picked him up at the hotel and on the drive to the church, he said, "You know, Brian, in a pluralistic world, a religion is judged by the benefits it brings to its non-adherents." That insight gestated in me for a long time, and eventually was seminal to my most recent book.

It's quite a year for losses: Richard Twiss, Gordon Cosby, now Dallas Willard ... and many others too. With each passing, those of us who remain have the responsibility to let their light glow on in our lives. And we have the opportunity to give thanks for the gift they have been to us all.

Thanks, Dallas. I doubt you were a fan of Bruce Cockburn, but this morning, this beautiful song of his is helping me savor your friendship, mentorship, and example on this day after you passed from mystery into mystery, closer to the light:

Closer to the Light from Daniel Dancer on Vimeo.


In Dallas this weekend and in July

Friends in Dallas -

This weekend I get to present Part 2 of my Bible overview, Reading the Bible Afresh ... this weekend we focus on the Gospels and Jesus. As you can imagine, I'm enthusiastic about the chance to talk about my favorite subject. Learn more here. Space is limited - but I think there are a few seats left.

Then in July, I'll be part of a great lineup aiming to refresh Christian leaders - especially pastors, and especially young pastors. Learn more here.


I'm a blessed guy ...

My birthday weekend began with my first chance to meet and hold our third granddaughter, Mia. She was born two months ago at 28 weeks, just over two pounds, and has been making steady progress. She now weighs just over 5 pounds and is still in NICU. As you can imagine, I was pretty choked up and unspeakably grateful.
(sorry the picture is sideways ...)

Then today I got to take a hike at one of my favorite places with Mia's older sister Averie, plus her dad and uncle, my two amazing sons.
How could life be any better than this?


Q & R: How Would You Define You, Part 1

Here's the Q:

Brian - there's been a discussion about you going on regarding a book by Geoff Holsclaw and David Fitch. Tony Jones quoted this:

“But their answers have often lacked the substance on which we can live, and what goes by the name of ‘emerging church’ now appears to have settled into another version of mainline Christianity.”

Then Tony adds:

But none of this is really the point. The point is this: If you want to have credibility in the world of evangelical publishing and seminary education these days, one of the ways to do it is to distance yourself from Brian McLaren. Get it? Brian has gone from a board member on several evangelical seminaries and mission agencies to persona non grata.

I was wondering if you want to weigh in on what Fitch and Holsclaw said, and what Jones said as well? How would you define you?

Here's the R:
I'm sorry to say I haven't had a chance to read Prodigal Christianity yet. I am working on my own book with a September deadline, and am super-focused on reading that relates directly to that. I am confused and a little surprised to see this quote about me and some friends of mine because I have a lot of admiration and affection for Geoff and David. Perhaps in context their intent isn't as dismissive as this sounds. I have always considered myself their friend and ally. I hope they won't mind if I continue to do so.

The term "emerging church" has become, I suppose, as problematic as the term "missional." As (I've heard) Jacques Derrida said about "deconstruction," I can't be held responsible for everything that is said and done in association with this term.

I agree with Tony that there's a common rhetorical strategy among Evangelicals that I myself have indulged in, as has Tony by his own admission: trying to seize the middle ground as morally high ground. If you have critics to your right, the only way to gain some space to differ "to the left" is by throwing somebody farther to the left under the bus, so to speak. (I'm sure groups with critics to the left would do something similar, but I don't have much experience in groups like that.) (And apologies for using the conventional left-right labels.)

One example: years ago, I spoke with disdain about a "mainline liberal" writer - my attempt to bolster my Evangelical credentials and seize middle-moral high ground by throwing "a liberal" under the bus. I had actually never read anything he had written, but people I respected thought he was dangerous. So I echoed them, needing to bolster my reputation to my right, a sign of my immaturity and insecurity on my part. Again, things I'm not proud of.

Some time later, I was asked to speak at the same event as this person. He was easy-going and gracious. I suppose he knew what I had said about him, but he didn't throw it in my face. Anyway, at the end of the event, there were long lines of people waiting to talk to us and get books signed. His line was much longer than mine.

So when my line dwindled away, I had the chance to eavesdrop on what people said to him. Person after person said, sometimes tearfully, "Thank you. If it weren't for your books, I wouldn't be a Christian," or "Through reading your book, I became a Christian," or "I left the church 30 years ago, but when I read book X, I came back." That's pretty moving for an Evangelical to hear, you know? I realized that this fellow was actually an evangelist, reaching people for Christ who never would be reached by my more conservative friends, or by me!

Anyway, I agree with Tony on the problem of seizing the middle. One of the challenges of getting older is that you have to keep leaving behind rhetorical "tricks" that you considered acceptable (or were completely unconscious of) when you were younger.

I don't fully understand why Tony is as critical of mainline Protestantism as he is:

Yes, you’re [...] right I have something against mainline Protestantism! Have you not been paying attention?!? My entire PhD dissertation is an attack on mainline polity. My christology is an offense to many mainliners. And I could go on.

I agree that there are problems with Mainline polity, but every bishop, district superintendent, and denominational official I meet agrees, and they're trying to change things for the better. I think that Mainliners have gotten the memo about fifty years of decline, and they're realizing that the future will be different from the past and present, for better or worse. I'm continually impressed by the vitality and devotion and love I experience in what I was told were "dead" churches. (I'm sure there are some of those churches out there, but I guess I don't get invited to them.)

If the Evangelical "brand" continues to constrict and contract (I hope that won't be the case - thanks to people like David Fitch and Geoff Holsclaw and others), and if the new pope does not signal a long term "aggiornamento" in Catholicism but rather a blip after which retreat from Vatican II continues (I hope that won't be the case either), then Mainline Protestantism is the world's only large-scale expression of Christian faith that maintains significant space for free inquiry and progressive thinking. So I want to encourage, help, nurture, and contribute to Mainline Protestantism, not attack it. I actually think Tony agrees: I think his "attacks" on Mainline Protestantism are a lover's quarrel. His own background is Congregational, which (I think?) is considered Mainline, right? [Note to Tony - would love your comments on this.]

Anyway, any quarrel I have with my own Evangelical heritage is also a lover's quarrel. If Evangelicals continue to hold the line - or regress - on key issues, a whole lot of people will suffer, including the children and grandchildren of Evangelicals. If more Evangelicals can break free from being invaded and occupied by a regressive, reactive fundamentalist ethos, a lot of people will be way better off.

Which is why - again - I am grateful for people like David Fitch and Geoff Holsclaw, because I think they're taking Evangelicals many steps in the right direction. And even if I'm saddened by their assessment of me and my colleagues, I think I understand why that assessment would be made.

That's enough for today. I may return to this next week, because what interests me more than the comment on "mainline" is the comment on "substance." Thanks for drawing this to my attention.


More great links ...

Yesterday I shared some worthwhile links. But there's more!

The Work of the People is an amazing site full of digital resources for churches, ministries, etc.
Here are my contributions:

Here's an important documentary on an important subject - our incarceration system:

My friend Joe Boyd is involved with a fascinating-sounding new movie. Here's the trailer:

Learn how you can help here:

And here's a conference you should really consider - especially if you care about violence and justice and peace:
Here (again) is a great article on the subject(s) of Black Theology and Girardian thought:

And here's my friend Gabriel Salguero talking about immigration reform:

Oracion y accion!

When is the last time you celebrated your one and only life? My friend Connie Freeman is a wonderful mentor and resource for people in the DFW area ... check out the next Barnabas Workshop in May: http://barnabasjourney.org/sign-up/retreat/

Finally, here's a worthwhile book on Israel and Palestine, by a friend who lived there, in the middle of the tensions, as an agent of peace:


On Christian Counseling ...



links roundup

1. The Buechnerfest brings people together to celebrate (and extend) the legacy of Fred Buecher. More here: http://www.montreat.org/current/2nd-annual-buechnerfest

2. Two Orthodox Christian Archbishops, Archbishop Paul Yazigi and Archbishop Youhanna Ibrahim, were abducted by armed rebels on April 23, 2013 in the suburbs of Aleppo, Syria. Their driver was murdered and the Archbishops were forced by the rebels to go to an unknown location in Syria or Turkey. The petition below urgently asks the Obama administration to use all its influence for the release of these two Archbishops and to bring a peaceful settlement to the Syrian conflict through a negotiated settlement.

The following petition has been logged on the White House Website and the link below will take you to the Webpage

Please sign the petition and forward this information to friends and family and ask them to sign the petition.

3. If you're interested in the subject of faith and evolution, don't miss Looking for the Missing Link. You'll also find lots of good cartoons and quotes on their website.

4. I was asked recently about how Evangelicals came to see abortion as our nation's primary moral issue. This 2012 article sheds some interesting light on the question: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-dudley/how-evangelicals-decided-that-life-begins-at-conception_b_2072716.html?view=screen
The author includes links to rebuttals that are also worth reading.

5. James Cone meets Rene Girard: here. Other similarly valuable resources here.

6. Churches of Christ folks are speaking up for gender equality. Learn more here:
http://1voice4change.com. Will the Plymouth Brethren be next?

7. Haven't taken a walk in the woods lately? Why not? (Thanks GS)


For my next book, Catechesis ...

I compiled this list of "one-anothers" in the New Testament, a primer on a basic social practices.
Not a bad curriculum!

[UPDATE: The title will be A Table, a Bible, Some Food, Some Friends: 52 Experiments in Spiritual (Re)Formation. It should release June 2014. Stay tuned for more information.]

“...be at peace with each other.” (Mk. 9:50, 1 Thes. 5:13, 1 Pet. 3:8)
“wash one another’s feet.... serve one another in love.” (Jn. 13:14, Gal. 5:13)
“Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” (John 13:34; 15:12; 15:17; Romans 13:8, 1 Thes. 4:9, Heb. 13:1, 1 Pet. 1:22, 1 Pet. 3:8, 1 Pet. 4:8, 1 Jn. 3:11, 23; 1Jn. 4:7, 11; 2 Jn. 1:5)
“Be devoted to one another with mutual affection.” (Romans 12:10)
“Honor one another above yourselves.” (Romans 12:10)
“Live in harmony with one another.” (Romans 12:16)
“Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another....” (Rom. 14:13)
“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you.” (Rom. 15:7)
“Greet one another with a holy kiss” (Rom. 16:16, 1 Cor. 16:20, 2 Cor. 13:12, 1 Pet. 5:14)
“...agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.” (1 Cor. 1:10)
“When you come together to eat, wait for each other.” (1 Cor. 11:33)
“....But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.” (1 Cor. 12:24-25)
“Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.” (Gal. 5:26)
“Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.” (Gal. 6:2)
“Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.” (Eph. 4:2, Col. 3:13)
“Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” (Eph.4:32, Col. 3:13, 1 Thes. 5:15)
“Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” (Eph. 5:21)
“Do not lie to each other.” (Col. 3:9)
“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.” (Col. 3:16, Eph. 5:19)
“Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.” (1 Thes. 5:11, Heb. 3:13)
“And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another and all the more as you see the Day approaching.” (Heb. 10:24-25)
“Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another.” (Jam. 4:11)
“Don’t grumble against each other.” (Jam. 5:9)
“Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” (Jam. 5:16)
“Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.” (1 Pet. 4:9)
“Clothe yourselves with humility toward one another.” (1 Pet. 5:5)


If you want to get involved ...

as a positive contributor to peace in Israel-Palestine, here's the event for you:


A reader writes from Jamaica

As you can imagine, I am deeply moved, humbled, and grateful when I receive messages like this one:

Good day Mr Mclaren,

I hope this email finds you in good health. I am a young woman in her late twenties who is embarking on a spiritual journey of sorts due to the myriad of questions and different perspectives that bombard today's society. I have increasingly had questions about God, the purpose of religion and how the church has represented itself. I am someone who is trying to decipher between theistic versus agnostic versus atheistic perspectives.

I came across one of your “Finding Faith” books on the Logos Hope book ship that docked in Jamaica in 2010 but due to my personal resistance with dealing with spiritual issues, it wasn’t until about a year later that I made an effort to read it. It was the first book I had come across which dealt with my concerns in such an easy-to-read manner and with such breadth and clarity. Your gentle, humble yet witty and direct writing style caused me to shed many a tear and seriously re-consider if this journey was worth taking. I greatly appreciate the numerous perspectives, resources and inclusion of your own personal spiritual journey in this book. It was as though you had read my diary! Of course, I had to get the sequel in the “Finding Faith” series and was equally impressed. I continue to read other texts and am seeking to collect some of those you referenced. I regularly reflect on the invaluable lessons I’ve learnt from your books. To date, I have not found any other book which deals with these issues so profoundly.

I do not have all the answers to the questions but I am more settled as I realise that I am not the only person who has ever embarked on such a journey and that there are small steps I can take to move forward. My journey is indebted to you.
There are not enough words to thank you.

I remember so clearly the experience of writing these books, over a decade ago, in a little corner of my basement late at night. To think that people today are still discovering them and finding them helpful is truly encouraging. In fact, it encourages me to keep writing. Thanks. I hope you'll be able to find some people of "good faith" to support you in your search.


I'll be in Colorado Springs tonight, tomorrow, and Sunday

Here's information:
If you're in the area, I hope you'll come say hello ...


I'm honored ...

to be among this great line-up at Wild Goose 2013. Learn more here:


Last Friday ...

I arrived in Oklahoma City for a weekend with a group of Methodist social justice activists. It happened to be the anniversary of the bombing there, and was also a day of drama in Boston as the marathon bombers were being apprehended. My host, Mark, showed me the memorial site of the tragic bombing that occurred there in 1995. (The first and third images below are architectural models, not photographs.)

It was a moving experience to walk between the 9:01 and 9:03 walls, experiencing the space of 9:02 (the minute when the bombing happened), seeing the chairs representing the children who were lost to the senseless violence.

A tree survived the bombing, and it was showing new spring growth. Saplings grown from its seeds have been spread through the state of Oklahoma, each a sign of resilience and hope.


Terrie's story ...




Q & R: Bible Study Materials for a 7 Year Old?

Here's the Q:

I am most of the way through "Why did....cross the road" and loving it. My question is after reading chapter 21, where can i find a good bible story resource for doing with my 7 year old?

Here's the R:
First, I'm so glad you're asking this question. If we're going to reduce hostility between religions, we need to stop pumping hostility into new generations - whether intentionally or unintentionally. Shifting from hostility to benevolence won't happen by accident; as I explain in the book, it requires a historic theological, liturgical, historical, and missional shift (not to mention a spiritual one - which I explored in Naked Spirituality).

I have some good news regarding resources for introducing emerging generations to Christian faith ... Some good friends and colleagues of mine are putting together a network especially dedicated to this challenge. Originally called "Children, Youth, and a New Kind of Christianity," the group just unveiled its new name:
Faith Forward.
You can follow them on Twitter here:
Expect great things from this group - beginning with a conference in 2014.


Must Strong Religious Commitment Mean Hostility to Other Religions?

A response here.


In Oklahoma this weekend

I'll be working with singer/songwriter Carrie Newcomer in a retreat for Christian social activists in Oklahoma this weekend. Really looking forward to it!


The most important voice in immigration reform ...

is the voice of those who were here before the rest of us, on whose land we are all immigrants. Here this voice in this beautiful post ... and prayer:


Nine work trends ... and some thoughts on business and soul

From my friends at TomorrowToday

On business, soul, and a new SCRIPTT:


For people who love Africa ...

This report is an important update on the situation in Sudan.


Well worth reading ... on the gospel, land, and peace

Years ago I met Dann Pantoja at a conference in Canada. (Thanks to Karen Neudorf, another hero of mine, for organizing truly exceptional conferences!) He made a big impression on me. Then I lost touch with him, and was thrilled to get reconnected recently. (Thanks to Facebook.)

Here's a paper on what he's doing: http://www.peacebuilderscommunity.org/documents/PeaceBuilding&TransformationPARFramework.pdf

A perfect example of a strong-benevolent response to "the missional challenge" in my most recent book. God bless you, Dann!


From a Young Evangelical: Holy Cow!

A reader writes:

Holy cow!! I just bought "The word of the Lord to Evangelicals" last night and read through it at 4 o'clock this morning – I couldn't put it down! It's absolutely fantastic- its "the cry of my heart" exactly! (Oh, and I love the reference to Pastor Laura and LaSalle Street church... Haha) Just wanted to say thank you.

I loved writing the four short-fiction ebooks that came out last year, and am thrilled that people are enjoying them now.


Dear Pat Robertson,

I wish you'd read my most recent book about Christian identity in a multi-faith world. It might help you avoid making inappropriate statements like the one you made yesterday. I wrote it with folks like you in mind, to help you understand the mechanisms of religious violence and hostility - in other religions, and also in our own. It's called, "Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? (Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World)". You'll find more information here:


Q & R: Next book?

Here's the Q:

A few months ago Brian tweeted that he is writting a new book for study by small groups with a focus on small groups I think. Is there any news on when that is likely to be published sounded really interesting.

Here's the R:
Here's the latest on my next project.
1. It's due to be published June 2014.
2. The tentative title is Catechesis. Catechesis means a thoughtful, intentional orientation to the faith. (We're still working on the subtitle.)

[UPDATE: The title will be A Table, a Bible, Some Food, Some Friends: 52 Experiments in Spiritual (Re)Formation.]

3. My goal in the book is to help people learn to live as followers of Christ - and to do so from a fresh perspective (post-conservative, post-liberal perspective, emphasizing the relevance of the gospel to contemporary life - especially a world facing the crises of the planet, poverty, and peace).
4. The book is written for three groups of people: a) Christians whose inherited understandings of the faith have stopped making sense or working, b) spiritual seekers who are interested in a fresh approach to the way of Christ, and c) parents, grandparents, teachers, pastors, youth workers, campus workers, and others who want to get a coherent, comprehensive understanding of "a new kind of Christianity" so they can pass it on to others.
5. It will consist of 52+ short chapters which can be read in typical book fashion, but also can be read aloud in 12-15 minutes in a variety of settings: as sermons for churches, small groups, and experimental faith communities, as a curriculum for classes, online groups, and retreats, etc.
6. The book will include a lectionary (comprehensive Bible reading program) and a simple liturgy to facilitate use for worshiping communities, along with response questions.
7. It's organized according to a simplified church year (along the lines I explored in the liturgy section of Cross the Road...).
8. In the fall season, we go through an overview of the Hebrew Scriptures. In the winter season, Advent transitions to Jesus, and Christmas and Epiphany focus on the birth and life of Jesus. For the Spring season, Lent is devoted to the Sermon on the Mount, followed by Holy Week, and the Easter season explores life in the community of faith. Summer (beginning with Pentecost) focuses on life in the Spirit in the world today.
9. I am writing the book with a global audience in mind, so the tone is simple, direct, and pastoral. I'm avoiding local cultural references, etc., and hope the book will have a long shelf-life. Really, it's a book to be read aloud - I hope with a storyteller's and poet's feel.
10. This may be the most important book I've written, and I'm grateful for prayers that I follow the Spirit's lead on every page.


In Dallas twice - tonight, and again next month

Tonight I look forward to speaking with my friend Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove on Gospel Bearing in a Religiously Plural Culture. We'll be guests of Elaine Heath and the good people of the Missional Wisdom Foundation. More information here:

Then I'll be back in Dallas May 10-11 for Part 2 of a four-part series on the Bible hosted by my wonderful friends and colleagues at Life in the Trinity Ministry. (You can attend any one session or all four ...) The May weekend will be a delight - focusing on Jesus, his life, miracles, teaching, death, resurrection ... What could be better? More information here: http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/brianmclaren_1/about


Bible Study: Does Hebrews support blood atonement?

I noticed that my friend Tony Jones is frustrated with Hebrews (an anonymous epistle in the New Testament) for its atonement theory. I wrote a chapter on atonement and eucharist in my most recent book, Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? I knew I had to deal with Hebrews and so dug in for a thorough study of the whole epistle, heavily resourced by Girardian/mimetic approaches to the text.

I became convinced that Hebrews actually argues against blood atonement theory, although its argument doesn't work in the same way modern arguments do (which, I find, is often the case in the New Testament!).*** First a quotes from early in that chapter of my book:

Will the Bible be the sword by which we cut off and threaten “the other”? Or will the Bible point beyond itself, directing us to Jesus who offers to his disciples the authority to bind and loose (Matthew 16:19)—or, we might say, to pick and choose? For those who choose the latter approach, the Bible is transformed from the sword of combat to the scalpel of surgery—for self-examination and self-critique, exposing our own hostility so that we can join God in compassion for all people and solidarity with the other (Hebrews 4:12–16).

It's interesting to see the sword metaphor not used aggressively in Hebrews, but for the purpose of self-examination, echoing Jesus' teaching about dealing with one's own planks before others' splinters.

Next is a single long footnote from the eucharist/atonement chapter (slightly edited for this setting). It offers a brief overview of atonement in Hebrews:

This is the message of the Epistle to the Hebrews, as I understand it. Hebrews is not seeking to explain Jesus inside the framework of blood sacrifice, thus validating that framework (as the epistle is commonly read). Instead, Hebrews argues that in Jesus, the whole idea of sacrifice is put behind us “once and for all” (9:28), because blood sacrifice was never what God really wanted or needed (10:8). God has always wanted far more for us than forgiveness alone (10:18): God wants to change our hearts (10:16) so that we do God’s will (13:21)—which is a life of love and good works (10:24) in service to all people. In this, we follow Jesus’ example (12:2), who endured hostility—without responding in kind (12:3). In so doing, we “pursue peace with everyone” (12:14) so that “filial love” will continue and we will show “hospitality to strangers” (13:1), always empathizing with those who are imprisoned and tortured (13:3). The old altar mind-set is the mind-set of insiders (13:10), but Jesus has identified himself with outsiders (13:12). So the old sacrificial system is left behind forever, and now, sacrifice (in the sense of a holy gift) remains in two senses only: first, “the sacrifice of praise … the fruit of lips that confess his name” (recalling Psalm 50, which is itself a fascinating reflection on sacrifice), and second, doing good and sharing with others, “for such sacrifices are pleasing to God” (13:15–16).

I know that verses from Hebrews are often extracted as proof texts for traditional atonement theory, but as Tony wisely said in his post, that kind of prooftexting is singularly unhelpful. (I think my use of references above is more like footnoting than prooftexting. I'm not trying to shut down conversation by quoting a verse, but rather "showing my work" by making clear where in the text I'm rooting my proposals.)

But even if we play the proof-texting game, it's worth noting:

Hebrews 9:22 is frequently quoted to validate traditional atonement theory.

But what happens if we hold it up to Hebrews 10:8?

It turns out that there is a major argument in the Hebrew Scriptures between the priestly voices that say blood sacrifice is required and the poets and prophets that say the opposite. Most striking, of course, is Hosea 6:6, which Jesus references (Matthew 9:13) and adds the words, "Now go and learn what this means." Jesus, I believe, was siding with the prophets and poets who said that blood atonement was never the point ... I believe Paul does the same, and so does the writer of Hebrews. (Again, mimetic theory has so much to offer in helping explain how first human sacrifice and then animal sacrifice played a role in human evolution.)

That's why the Melchizedek reference is so intriguing. By holding up Jesus as an alternative kind of priest ("in the order of Melchizedek"), the writer in a sense "trumps" the Levitical priesthood by going back to a pre-Mosaic era, something more original. (Paul, I think, does the same thing in Romans - going back before Moses to Abraham in Romans 4, and then to Adam in Romans 5. Can't get much more original than that!) This instinct is, I think, akin to many of us referencing Celtic or pre-Constantinian Christian figures today to marginalize Constantinian assumptions in our tradition. Anyway, Hebrews moves in this way to marginalize/de-absolutize the Levitical/Mosaic priesthood - and with it, sacrifice, the Temple, circumcision, and the idea of clean-unclean, "once and for all."

This subject is so important, and I was thrilled to learn that Tony is going to be writing a lot more about it in the future. I frequently recommend his "Better Atonement" - and am glad to know that won't be his last word on the subject.

***For example, rabbinic rhetoric didn't seem to have a problem using a widely-accepted premise to make a point, without necessarily endorsing that premise as absolutely and universally true. The point was (often) simply to root an argument in the tradition. We might similarly today make a point with a reference to "Icarus flying too close to the sun" without in so doing endorsing all of Greek mythology. Ancient writers loved the Scriptures, but that doesn't mean they read them with all the philosophical assumptions of Cartesian foundationalism!


An Update on Your Planet: "Right now, we're losing"

Thank God for Bill McKibben. He may be more important in the big scheme of things than any president in recent memory ... if, that is, enough of us link arms with him. Read more here:


We've watched great cultural shifts and organizing successes in recent years, like the marriage-equality and immigration-reform movements. But breaking the power of oil companies may be even harder because the sums of the money on the other side are so fantastic – there are trillions of dollars worth of oil in Canada's tar sands and the North Dakota shale. The men who own the coal mines and the gas wells will spend what they need to assure their victories. Last month, Rex Tillerson, Exxon's $100,000-a-day CEO, said that environmentalists were "obtuse" for opposing new pipelines. He announced the company planned to more than double the acreage on which it was exploring for new hydrocarbons and said he expected that renewables would account for just one percent of our energy in 2040, essentially declaring that the war to save the climate was over before it started. He added, "My philosophy is to make money."

That same day, scientists announced that Earth was now warming 50 times faster than it ever has in human civilization, and that carbon-dioxide levels had set a perilous new record at Mauna Loa's measuring station. Right now, we're losing. But as the planet runs its spiking fever, the antibodies are starting to kick in. We know what the future holds unless we resist. And so resist we will.


For folks interested in interfaith relationships ...

from Duke University

Scholarships for Christianity/Islam Seminar @ Duke

Posted: 09 Apr 2013 08:07 AM PDT

Friends, if you engage interfaith issues, we have generous scholarships for a first-ever seminar on Christianity and Islam co-taught by Ellen Davis and Abdullah Antepli at our upcoming Duke Summer Institute (May 27-June 1). Provided by grant funding, scholarships range from a $350 discount to $950 (full registration). Depending on financial need, travel and lodging assistance may also be available for this seminar. See information below, and apply at the web site.
Listening Together: Muslims and Christians Reading Scripture
With Dr. Ellen Davis and Imam Abdullah Antepli
The aim of this seminar is to help participants begin to map out their own journey through the still largely uncharted territory of Muslim-Christian religious conversation. Through the method of cross-tradition study, focusing on topics central to both traditions and using texts from Bible, Qur’an and Hadith, students will begin to learn the basic elements of another scriptural tradition, as well as gaining new insight into their own. The course will help students begin to acquire intellectual, spiritual, theological, exegetical and hermeneutical tools to engage in ministry in a pluralistic culture and in pluralistic settings (e.g., hospitals, prisons, campuses, larger communities), and to consider the theological significance of interfaith work in the twenty-first century.
Dr. Ellen F. Davis is Amos Ragan Kearns Distinguished Professor of Bible and Practical Theology at Duke University Divinity School. Her research interests focus on how biblical interpretation bears on the life of faith communities and their response to urgent public issues, including interfaith relations.
Imam Abdullah Antepli is the Muslim Chaplain and Adjunct Faculty of Islamic Studies at Duke University, and is the founder and executive board member of the Muslim Chaplains Association and a member of the National Association of College and University Chaplains.


Movements and Institutions

Two Huffington Post articles recently caught my attention ...

This article on the world social forum is a reminder of how financial elites typically run institutions (even in so-called democracies), and how they must be challenged by vibrant social movements.
As someone who was invited to the World Economic Forum at Davos a few years ago, I differ from the author in thinking that the Davos gathering is nothing more than a gathering of the powerful to accumulate more power. The people I met struck me as sincere and committed to working on "our biggest problems." That disagreement aside, I think it's fascinating to observe and reflect on these two "World Forums."

This article also deals with the challenge of building momentum (i.e. a movement) among and across institutions toward solving global problems via the MDG's:

All of this resonates with issues I grappled with in Everything Must Change, and continue to grapple with every day.


Want to eavesdrop on how a smart theologian thinks?

There's so much I like about John Cobb ... for example:


A reader writes: sneaking around behind their backs to truly experience God

Here's the comment:

Mr. McLaren,
I have been trying to write this for an hour now, having every interference stand in the way, from feelings of insignificance to children interrupting to having to install a new email service in order to proceed. But I have found that sometimes the abundance of obstacles in our way is precisely what leads us in the right direction. I have certainly stumbled through enough walls recently to have realized that many of them are only holograms intended to divert us.
I just started reading “Everything Must Change” and was struck by the comment that “we can’t find a short way of describing it yet”. I had not thought of the question yet, although I certainly wasn’t comfortable with any label I have heard or had applied to my views. (I just read one of your blog entries stating exactly how I feel: I’m not picking a label for myself from that catalog, that whole system is insufficient!) My grandfather was a Southern Baptist Preacher when I came into this world and I have been the up close witness and ‘rebellious’ (though hesitantly committed) participant in my “family tree of religion” as it has changed through the decades and stretched out its arms beyond a naked trunk. (Now they are Non-Denominational, the newest non-label-turned-label) I have enjoyed the evolution of their views but have yet to feel like even I could fit into the box, let alone the God I have finally come to know for myself. I have felt as if I had to sneak around their backs to truly experience my Savior and Creator with abandonment. They have ‘known’ Him much longer than I have, yet I feel the yearning to witness to them! I think what I have found is Love. Not the performance of it, but the realization of it and its ability to animate everything. I believe that’s the heart of it. Maybe we are simply Agape Love-ists, practicing Love-ism?
I don’t have a friend or mentor, other than my mother (who is very supportive but isn’t available often), who is willing to listen or ask questions or get involved in the conversation. When I bring up my questions and the paths they have led me down, I am met with sympathy, concern or stern correction. But it doesn’t make me recoil. I am understanding the unfathomable depths of “Perfect Love casts out fear”.
I haven’t read what you have to say about the “Suicide Machine”, but immediately I thought, “I have seen that”. I ‘think in pictures’ quite often and then (desperately and laboriously) attempt to capture it in written word. Unfortunately, there is much which can’t be described easily, and my writings tend to be too lengthy and detailed for most people I know. Anyway, I have described the machine, since I feel my artistic abilities are not capable of capturing it in sketch- although I am passionate about having people to begin to “see” through these foundationless principles of performance that have the masses deceived.
I found it slightly amusing when you said you are just a regular person like the implied ‘us’, and then went on to tell of all that you have accomplished. Maybe to you that’s just a ‘regular’ person, but to me it is something to be admired- not because I admire status, but because I admire the passion you must have to pursue such a path. I haven’t achieved any of the accomplishments that would give me any position to be heard, and I have always been timid. God has led me down this path for a reason and I have already seen many of the chains that hold me in my seat, and seal my mouth, crumbling to ash. But they have to know. Thank you for helping to open the doors for some of us. You are like an echo in pitch back emptiness- letting me know that I’m not alone. I am so grateful that you have the ability to share these things with a large audience and not stand down in the moments of resistance. I just read Martin Luther King’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” yesterday and I would bet that you wouldn’t be on the list of the people he was disappointed in. I believe he would be proud.

Thanks for your note and your kind words. Wouldn't it be great to be known as people who are part of a movement of love for all, no exceptions?


The MCC gets it right on not supporting violence against Palestinians

A courageous choice by the Mennonite Central Committee, here: http://www.mcc.org/stories/news/mcc-us-board-acts-peace-through-its-investments
We need solutions that are pro-peace for all, pro-justice for all, pro-Israeli, and pro-Palestinian ... and a good step in that direction is to withdraw support from organizations that profit by impeding progress toward that goal. We have a long way to go ... especially in light of supremely unhelpful comments like these from Pat Robertson:

Robertson's comments embody so much that is wrong with outdated, unwise ways of engaging faith and politics. Perhaps Robertson and CBN should be seen as religious counterparts of Raytheon and Caterpillar.


Q & R: More than one theology?

Here's the Q:

I just finished reading your book 'Why did Jesus, Moses.......?'. I loved the book and would gladly recommend it to all who have a thirst for spiritual inspiration.

I agree totally that christian doctrine and theology needs serious work to deal with a multi-faith society. You provided some great examples and you suggested that loads more work is needed.

My thought for you is as follows: If theology is viewed as guiding principles rather than doctrines, creeds or beliefs, then christians wouldn't need to have barriers that become catalysts for division.

This thought is consistent with Paul's comments in: 1Corinthians14:31,'All of you may proclaim God's message, one by one, so that everyone will learn and be encouraged'.

Also, 1John4:2, 'This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God'.

So does that mean that there can be more than one theology approved by our Lord himself?

I would say that if a community feels that there is only one true theology (i.e. their own theology or doctrine), then it is probably a heretical community, because it is not in keeping with the above comments from Paul and John.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. I think you're on a productive line of thinking. Of course, deciding what is a "guiding principle" and what is a "doctrine, creed or belief" is itself a matter of interpretation ... It brings to mind the old (and, I think, good) dictum: in essentials, unity; in nonessentials, diversity; in all things, charity." The problem comes when some people see nearly everything as an essential because to them, the Bible is crystal clear on an issue, and to question what it clear to them is to question the Bible itself.

The 1 John 4:2 passage is a really interesting one to bring to bear on this subject. I'm pretty sure that the writer intended his words to address a specific context rather than be used as a blanket litmus test (although a broad one). So, for example, someone who taught that Jesus came in the flesh AND that aliens in space ships are invading the earth, AND that vaccinations are a plot to sterilize enemies, AND that Texans have a right to rule the world, etc, etc, etc, wouldn't, necessarily, be speaking from God's Spirit.

But I agree with your instinct to see that truth is wide and deep, not narrow and flat. A wonderful book on this subject was written by my friend John Franke: Manifold Witness. I highly recommend it.


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April 9, 2013

Brian McLaren, author and a leader in the so-called emerging church movement, is calling for a truce in the culture wars that so often divide Christians and others in our society.

He will speak on “Toward A New Christian Identity: What Conservatives and Progressives Can Learn from Each Other” at 7 p.m. Friday, April 26, in Armstrong Hall at Colorado College.

His presentation, which is free and open to the public, is sponsored by First Congregational Church in Colorado Springs. It is part of this year’s James W. White Lectureship, named for a former lead minister at the church.

It’s probably impossible to put McLaren in a theological box. In one of his books he asserts: I am a missional, evangelical, post/protestant, liberal/conservative, mystical/poetic, biblical, charismatic/contemplative, fundamentalist/Calvinist, Anabaptist/Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, green, incarnational, depressed/yet hopeful, emergent, unfinished Christian.

One may ask how can he or anyone be all of the above. He provides an answer in his book, A Generous Orthodoxy, discussing these seeming paradoxes and calling for a radical, Christ-centered orthodoxy of faith and practice in a missional, generous spirit.
His other books include Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road, A New Kind of Christianity, Naked Spirituality, Everything Must Change and Finding Our Way Again.

McLaren seems to be moving toward what he calls a new Christian identity. Through it, he says, conservatives and progressives have much to learn from one another to “transcend the paralyzing polarization of the culture wars.”

McLaren describes “learnings” that can help both conservatives and progressives transcend their differences as beauty, tradition, intellect, justice and inclusion as well as mission, spiritual experience, storytelling, heroes and youth.


Q & R: Law is love?

Here's the Q:

Brian, I couldn’t agree with you more on the idea that God doesn’t torture 90% of His creation for eternity. You mention the “liberating truth” of Christ. What truth exactly is that, though? To what degree do you affirm the Divine Law, which David said many times is perfect? The Law of Love, expounded upon at length in Psalm 119. Is not God’s Divine Law of Love ultimately the “good news” – since we know Christ = the Word = the law and prophets = love. After all, God’s kingdom requires a Law, as all kingdoms do. The key is to interpret the Law according to the Mind of Christ.

If you have written on this subject, please point me to the material, or maybe a short blog entry? Thanks!

Here's the R:
I'm not sure if by your question you want to equate Divine Law = Law of Love = Gospel = Bible? I'm suspicious of equations like this - especially the last element. The Bible is a lot of things ... and it has a history and never "works" without interpretation. I'd be nervous about extending the notion that a book wields authority without acknowledging that people interpret the book, and as such, are often the force and will whose authority actually prevails (in the short run, anyway - and long enough to cause a lot of damage). As you say - they key is interpreting the text according to the Mind of Christ.

I've written a lot about the Bible in A New Kind of Christianity and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road. I've written a lot about love there as well.

Back to your original question ... It really is striking that Jesus dares to say that the Law and Prophets are summed up in love God/love neighbor (plus stranger, enemy, etc). It's equally striking that Paul reduces this further (in Romans 13:8-10), saying that "love of neighbor" fulfills the law. And equally amazing - in Galatians 5:6, he says, "Circumcision doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is faith expressing itself in love." Wow. There a lot of Bible verses that say circumcision matters a lot, but like Jesus, Paul says, "You have heard it said ... but I say to you ..."

So there it is ... the "righteousness" that must "surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees" if we are to live in the commonwealth of God: going beyond a law written on stone (or paper), to a law written on the heart: the law of love. Something to ponder (and practice) for a long, long time!


Preaching Peace: what a concept!

A great resource: Many of my friends know that I believe the work of Rene Girard is going to be deeply significant in shifting how we read the Bible. You can get a great 10-minute introduction to Girard's work here:
You can download the video for just $2.00 - and proceeds help the work of preachingpeace.org.


Palestine, Israel, Peace, Justice, Music

At Micah's Paradigm Shift, you'll find some great music for people who care about peace and justice in the Middle East:


"I'm your pastor, and I don't care what you believe."

What? Why would Lillian Daniel say such a thing? Find out here ...


A reader writes: up all night with twins and still reading

Since reading "A New Kind of Christianity" I have deconstructed a lot of my beliefs about the 'salvation story'. And I like the way you view Scripture - 'an inspired community library'. Yet, in some of the Christian circles I travel in those explanations don't fly. This book feels so exciting to me, because I feel like I could pass it along to people who still see the Bible as a 'constitution'. Maybe there is something in me that still sees it that way which is why this is giving me some more ground to stand on - even though I've already changed my theology on the doctrine of hell. I think I've also been in perplexity for so long because of some of the deconstruction I've gone through, I've had a hard time knowing if any sort of eternity is a real thing, and something about this book is pushing me up into harmony and into hope again. I think that God is growing the people of this world to understand the love God has for us all and I feel so excited about that too. Let's just say I'm up all night with baby twins and once they are back to sleep, I still can't shut the kindle off :)

Also - we've had the wonderful privilege of getting to know xxx, as he has spoken at our church a few times and become a friend of our family. We had the chance to talk to him about hell etc. and were surprised to find out how conservative he still is in this regard. I'm the kind of person who has a hard time keeping out of debates and knowing when to talk and when not to. :) He said he's stayed up late with you a few times talking through all of these things. And I thought to myself, Okay, if eloquent, intelligent and kind Brian McLaren can't shift his theology on this, loud mouthed, fiery me won't be able to either. :) But I have thought of passing this book along to him as I think it might speak to him. Anyways - thanks, I'm feeling so excited about this.

Thanks for writing. I do hope you'll pass on the book to our mutual friend. I'm not sure he has actually read any of my books yet, as he's been pretty busy writing his own. But maybe if you recommend it ...


John Morehead gets it right on Jedis, Evangelicals, and ...

a thoughtful response to some recent religious survey data, here:


For Science Lovers

What a great example of careful science correcting previous theories ... complexifying things, but accounting for more data regarding plate tectonics.


Yes, I still get emails like this ...

You are a false teacher and a heretic. Perhaps you are on the path to the Lake of Fire. I suggest you to REPENT and get right with God. So much of your teachings are from the pit. Get the book The Truth War by John MacArthur
I can only hope he/she actually read one of my books to reach this conclusion, rather than relying on "The Truth War" for a fair representation. Warriors seldom give a fair or accurate assessment of their opponents. To put it more philosophically, an epistemology of conquest (know your enemies to defeat them) is far less trustworthy than an epistemology of love (understand your neighbors to love them).

Q & R: Introduction to Other Faiths

Here's the Q:

Brian your books have lately been part of a transformation in my thinking as an evangelical christian.
I get that your 'Why did...?' book is largely about removing the hostility from our faith and as part of this we engage lovingly as equals with those of other faiths. What would you recommend as good material for understanding the basic tenets of other faiths which would be realistic about their insights and shortcomings too?

Here's the R:
The top three I'd recommend would be:
John Esposito's World Religions Today.

Huston Smith's introductions - several versions are available, all helpful. I especially like his Illustrated Guide.

If you wanted a distinctly Christian examination of world religions with both appraisal and critique from a Protestant Christian perspective, there are many that I would not recommend. But one that stands out is Adam Hamilton's video series (with a printed leader's guide) Christianity and World Religions.


8 minute interview segment ...

From Provoked to Newness - on difference without division, relating to my most recent book.


Q & R: Hardcore Atheists

Here's the Q:

I’m a big fan from across the pond in the UK. I’ve enjoyed several of your books as well as articles and blog posts. In the past year or so I feel like I’ve been going through a major gear shift in my journey with Jesus and your ideas have been one of the key influences on me during this time.

I’m currently reading Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross The Road? (or as all the cool kids are no doubt calling it “WDJMTBAMCTR!”) Which I’m finding stimulating, challenging, moving, exciting and scary in equal measure!

I have a question about hard line Atheism and what your approach is towards it, apologies if you’ve already answered this question to another emailer.

You see I reckon my non-believer friends (and when I say non-believer, I don’t just mean “non-christian” but rather, non-adherent-to-any-major-faith) can, broadly speaking, be divided into two camps:

There are those who are spiritually openminded, they may have even had spiritual experiences in the past and therefore whilst they might not understand why I align myself with “ organised religion”, they nevertheless understand and find completely natural, my belief in a spiritual realm and my desire to follow and emulate Jesus. With this kind of “non-believer” friend, talking about my faith feels entirely natural and I have even had the amazing opportunity and privilege to pray with such friends.

Then there are those who simply don’t understand how anyone could believe in anything spiritual. They recognize that I’m an intelligent person and therefore they put my faith down to some kind of cognitive dissonance in me, like I simply haven’t joined up the dots yet because if I had I’d have realized that this Christianity stuff is just a fairy story. Any talk of the spiritual or transcendent, Christian or otherwise, is like white noise to them.

They seem, by and large, to be committed to a post-enlightenment, reductionist view of the universe (whether or not they’d express it in those terms.) They can get especially angered by talk of post-modernism and post-enlightenment etc as they see this as pseudo-intellectual guff contrived to sneak myths and fairly tails past otherwise discerning people’s bullshit radars.

Anyway, I struggle with how to relate to this worldview and it doesn’t help that the Bible is largely mute on this. The Bible, it seems to me, is not concerned at all with answering the question of whether there is a God. Rather it take’s God’s existence as a given and is far more concerned with questions like “who is God?”, “what is God doing?”, “what is God saying?” etc, etc. and simply dismisses anyone who disbelieves as a fool. (Psalm 14:1 etc.)

This is not at all surprising, we would not expect scriptures written thousands of years ago to speak directly to a cultural phenomenon which only really emerged in the 18th century.

I’m not saying I wish the Bible was different. I love the Bible, Old and New Testament and I find most arguments about God’s existence (whether for or against) tedious and circular. So in terms of my enjoyment of scripture, I’m not sorry at all that it’s more concerned with who God is and what God’s doing, those are the things I’m concerned about!

But as for my friends for whom it seems obvious and self-evident that God doesn’t exist, except in the imaginations of naive religious people, I’m not sure what the Bible or indeed I have to say to them. And I was just curious to know what you'd say to them.

Here's the R:
First, I'd say that your atheist friends are fortunate to have a friend like you who obviously respects them and seeks to understand them on their own terms. Like you, I have many thoughtful atheist friends and here are the kinds of things we've talked about together.

- While they might reject the idea of a personal God, some can talk about a direction or trajectory of evolution. (Some will not - seeing everything as random and accidental and in that sense ultimately nihilistic, period.) They might be able to use terms like Dr. King's - speaking of an arc in the universe that bends toward justice. That direction or trajectory or arc provides us common ground, I think, between God and non-God.

- If they don't want to speak of any moral grain to the universe, they may still want to work for justice, joy, and peace, as best as they understand them. Justice, joy, peace, and other values are for them a kind of beckoning vision - not written into past and present actuality - but calling from future possibility. Again, this might be some common ground where what I call God intersects with a reality they do not call God.

- If they don't want to speak about anything like that, we can at least enjoy the gifts of life together - whether it's a baseball game, a comedian, a great piece of music, or a good cup of coffee. Even savoring "goodness" points us in the direction of the Giver from whom all good gifts flow ... and I suspect that God doesn't mind being anonymous in many circumstances. In fact, anonymity may be a relief after all the ways God's name gets dragged into craziness by human beings! I must admit, on many occasions, I find letting God's presence be anonymous, unspoken, or understated enhances my joy in God, just as situations where God's presence is over-hyped and exaggerated makes me feel less and less aware of God's "still small" whisper.

In situations where believer and atheist encounter one another as friends, extending grace toward one another that transcends fundamental disagreement, it is pure friendship itself - extended and enjoyed without the static of religious or atheistic rhetoric - that makes God most real. At least, that's how I see it!


Q & R: Proud with a megaphone?

Here's the Q:

I want to join the many who are thanking you for your books and leadership as God draws us into His future. I became a Christian after I had made shambles of my life. The love and grace given by Jesus still overwhelms me to this day. Before I became a follower of Jesus I could never understand how Christians could on the one hand say, “God is love” and then say that this “God” was going to torture and burn billions of people because they had the unfortunate luck of being born in the wrong place or like me came from a highly dysfunctional environment that affected them emotionally.

After I became a follower I then reconcile this dilemma by getting involved in the “missional church” and feeling that it was our “duty” to “convert” these poor souls so they would be “saved” and not burn in hell. But I found these people to be people. I struggled with the hate and prejudice that was being spewed by my own people. More and more I began to feel like a very big square peg being forced into a very small round hole. Then one day I read Rob Bell’s book “Love Wins.” It was like a wave of cool water flowing over the burning coals of my anxiety. Now I have discovered your books, “A New Kind of Christianity,” “Why did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road,” and “The Girl with the Dove Tattoo.”

The reason I am writing is now what do I do? How do I keep from falling into my own trap? I have this urge to pick up my megaphone, to rush up on the stage, to dominate my small group. But these individuals for the most part are not to a point in their journey there they are open to these ideas. I feel like I’m in the “being proud of how humble I am” trap. I want to get involved, I want be a contributor to the “Emergence Christianity” movement but I don’t know what to do. I would appreciate any advice or help you can give.

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question, and the energetic yet self-aware spirit you convey. You're wise to avoid picking up the megaphone. Here's what I'd recommend. Very gently, softly, when necessary, simply say, "I see that a little differently," or "I see that quite differently." People will generally ask, "What do you mean?" At that point, you'll be tempted to pick up the megaphone and convince them of your "better" way of seeing things. But then you say, "I don't need to go into it. I just wanted to let you know that I see it differently."

In so doing, you will be giving a wonderful gift to your group. You'll be saying, "I love you. I'm glad to be with you. My views don't have to predominate. I don't have to convince you to agree with me in order to accept you and enjoy you." There's really no other way to give this gift than to differ courageously yet graciously ... without demanding equal time for your view.

If people are sincerely interested in hearing your alternative view, you need to be very careful to share it without judgment, showing utmost respect for their views. Again, in so doing, you're modeling something tremendously important. It's often best to simply say, "If you want, I can explain it to anyone who is interested after the meeting. I don't want to take us on a tangent now."

Even with all this care to avoid throwing down gauntlets, differing in this way may get you into trouble. Some groups can't tolerate difference very well. If you need to leave a group, thank them for the blessing they've been. Affirm your love. Depart graciously. That will speak more poignantly than anything else. If this happens, find some trusted friends with whom you can process the pain of exclusion, because that pain is real and needs to be processed in prayer and friendship.

I hope that helps. BTW - in my next book, I hope to present some ways people can make a major contribution to "emergence Christianity." Thanks again for writing.


Wild Goose Line-Up 2013

I'll miss the first couple days, but will be there for the last couple - Hope to see you at the Goose! (Why not register right now?)


Veterans deserve to be listened to

- Even when what they say isn't what people expect:

My friends at LTM are creating spaces for veterans to tell their stories and process the experience of war. Learn more here: http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/veteransevent/about


Read Jim Wallis' new book ...

Jim's new book, On God's Side, joins Call to Conversion and God's Politics as one of his classics. The sagely tone of this book reflects Jim's maturity and seasoned insight. Highly recommended ...

The panel below is worth watching ...
Notable: Southern Baptist Richard Land said ... "There's a difference between the authority of Scripture and our understanding of Scripture." A good step!

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Clergy: Do you need some R & R?

The week after Easter is often a time pastors could use a good rest. (No joke!)

I'll be part of a work-week clergy retreat coming up this summer, July 15-19, in Fort Worth, TX ...
I'll be part of a teaching team with Robyn Michalove, Joe and Suzanne Stabile, and Tony Jones. The whole week will be designed with rest and renewal in mind - for new and "used" clergy. You can learn more here:


ANNOUNCEMENT from Brian McLaren

April 1, 2013:
Brian McLaren, author of Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road (Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World) today revealed that the question posed by his ungainly title could have been answered in one short sentence.

"It's hard to believe I wrote 276 pages when the whole matter could have been settled in a matter of five words," McLaren said at an impromptu press conference conducted early Monday while he was still in his pajamas.

Visibly shaken, McLaren broke down when pondering the way he spent the last few years of his life: "When I think of all those wasted trees, all that ink, all that time writing and editing, all the travel ..."

In reply to repeated queries as to what the five-word sentence would be, McLaren became even more emotional. "It's not even a complete sentence with subject and verb. It's just a sentence fragment consisting of an infinitive phrase followed by a prepositional phrase."

As of press time, the emotionally overwrought author had not composed himself sufficiently to answer the question in question.


Thinking differently about profit-nonprofit compensation

(thanks bc)

Morality does not equal frugality.
Who cares if the bake sale has low overhead if it's tiny?
Only 2% of US GDP goes to charitable giving, but 80% of that goes to religion, higher ed, and hospitals - leaving a tiny fraction for health and human service causes. (60 billion total)
Our generation does not want its epitaph to read, "We kept charity overhead low." (Wouldn't we rather have it read, "We significantly increased the percentage of GDP given to charity?")
Ask about the scale of a charitable organization's dreams!


A prayer for pastors on Easter

Dear Lord, I pray for all the pastors today
Who will feel enormous pressure to have their sermon
Match the greatness of the subject
and will surely feel they have failed.
(I pray even more for those who think they have succeeded.)

Help them to know that it is enough
Simply and faithfully to tell the story
Of women in dawn hush ...
Of men running half-believing ...
Of rolled stones and folded grave-clothes ...
Of a supposed gardener saying the name of a crying woman ...
Of sad walkers encountering a stranger on the road home ...
Of an empty tomb and overflowing hearts.

Give them the wisdom to know that sincere humility and awe
Surpass all homiletic flourish
On this day of mysterious hope beyond all words.

Make them less conscious of their responsibility to preach,
And more confident of the Risen Christ
Who presence trumps all efforts to proclaim it.

Considering all the Easter choirs who will sing beautifully, and those who won't,
And all the Easter prayers that will soar in faith, and those that will stumble and flounder,
And all the Easter attendance numbers and offering numbers that will exceed expectations
And those that will disappoint ...
I pray they all will be surpassed by the simple joy
Of women and men standing in the presence of women and men,
Daring to proclaim and echo the good news:
Risen indeed! Alleluia!

For death is not the last word.
Violence is not the last word.
Hate is not the last word.
Money is not the last word.
Intimidation is not the last word.
Political power is not the last word.
Condemnation is not the last word.
Betrayal and failure are not the last word.
No: each of them are left like rags in a tomb,
And from that tomb,
Arises Christ,

Help the preachers feel it,
And if they don't feel it, help them
Preach it anyway, allowing themselves
To be the receivers as well as the bearers of the Easter


Thanks, Tony, and thanks, Rabbi Edelheit

A beautiful Passover story here:
May our Easter celebrations tomorrow move us deeper into the unending Easter uprising - of justice, peace, compassion, service, and love.


Death and Resurrection

I just finished reading Ewert Cousins' "Christ of the 21st Century." Reading the book during Holy Week has me thinking about one of the crucial questions about Christ's passion and resurrection: do we think that Christ's passion primarily changes God - or humanity? I was taught the former in the first part of my life ... but in recent years, I've been thinking more and more about the latter. So this weekend, I'm pondering how Christ's death speaks of the death of a certain kind of human identity, and then how his resurrection speaks of the (re)birth of another kind of human identity.

Paul said it powerfully in 2 Corinthians 5. If one died for all (as the representative of all, or to bring benefit to all), then all humanity died. And if all humanity died, then we who are alive should live no longer for ourselves, but for the one who died for our benefit and was raised. Thus in Christ, we die to our old, selfish, walled-off, curved-in identity. And in Christ, we rise to a new identity - in joyful union with God, one another, and all creation. Here's how Cousins talks about it:

"Teilhard's world contains an attractive force that draws the particles into genuine unions, not merely aggregates like grains of sand in a heap. Thus the particles do not remain forever in splendid isolation, nor do they eternally repel each other, nor enter into superficial unions. Rather they are drawn into ever more intimate and creative unions: from the atom to the molecule, to the cell, to the living organism, to the human person, to the human community, to the completion of union ... In the various stages of union, the individual elements do not melt into the whole like drops of water in the sea. At each stage of the way the union of elements is a Trinitarian union... at the end of the process is a union in which the particles retain their identity; in fact their uniqueness is intensified in the union at the same time they are brought together in a most intimate and creative way." (179)



One of my Good Friday disciplines is to remember Jesus' words, "Don't weep for me, daughters of Jerusalem." I then ask for whom I should weep today.

Someday President Obama and all Americans will be ashamed of this ...

So, tomorrow, as I remember Jesus and his suffering, I will think of people suffering today, people with whom Jesus was and is in complete solidarity ... in Pakistan and Afghanistan, in Congo, in Israel-Palestine, in my own state and neighborhood ... mothers, children, dads, grandparents. Lord, have mercy.

If anyone at the White House is listening, you should know that more and more people are becoming aware and speaking out on the issue of drones. We're ashamed ... and we want America to take a higher road than this. Lord, have mercy.


Q & R: divine violence thrown like a grenade at me?

Here's the Q:

Just discovered Brian through Red Letter Christian site. Need someone to help me understand the God of the Old Testament (violence, genocide, etc.), how to reconcile Him in my mind and, especially, how do to explain this to nonbelievers who throw that like a grenade at me? I understand them being put off by that God but I have no answer to their questions because, to be honest, they are my own questions.

I'm glad you discovered this site ... and I'm even more glad to be associated with the good people at Red Letter Christians.
The bad news - I can't give your question a lengthy answer here (although if you put "violence" in the search box, you'll find a lot).
The good news - I've written extensively on this subject, especially in four books, listed roughly in order of relevance to your question.
A New Kind of Christianity
Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?
Everything Must Change
Secret Message of Jesus

I think you'll find a lot of help in any or all of those books.

I also think you'd enjoy my short-fiction e-book The Girl with the Dove Tattoo, which also grapples with this important issue.

One comment: it's not just the Old Testament. There is a lot of material in the New Testament that also can and has been used to promote a violent view of God. So it's not simply a question of which parts of the Bible we're talking about - but how we interpret all of the Bible. Be assured - you're not alone. Many of us are grappling with this question, and the results are (in my opinion) really exciting and liberating. Among many other benefits - they help us appreciate Jesus more than ever.


President Obama gets it right on how change happens

He shared these words with young Palestinians and Israelis on his recent visit:

“And let me say this as a politician. I can promise you this. Political leaders will never take risks if the people won’t press them to take some risks. You must create the change you want to see. Ordinary people can accomplish some extraordinary things.”

It takes movements to create the pressure for institutional change ... so let's get the choir singing stronger!


Blessed with and beyond words

In my travels, I often hear good music. In the last two weeks, I've heard some great music. Three experiences stand out.

A few weeks ago, I spoke at Chapman University in SoCal. In the morning session, I heard a gifted student (Cheon Soyun) play the marimba. The whole room became an instrument and we were all enveloped in beauty and wonder. (Here's a sample)

Then that afternoon, the University Choir sang. It was beautiful, but then a moment came in their "signature song," Amazing Grace ... that was unforgettable. Oddly, it was a moment of breath-taking silence. You'll know what I mean if you go hear them sing.

Then Monday night, here in Richmond (where I'm speaking at St. Paul's Lenten Series), Rector Wallace Adams-Riley read poetry and music minister David Sinden improvised on the organ. I can't begin to convey the beauty of the evening.

Speaking of music, my friend Scott Olson writes eloquently about the "jazz" of leadership:


A reader writes: I love the stuff of being human

A reader writes:

Just a comment, no response required. Just finished reading your book Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Budda, and Mohammed Cross the Road? and was both relieved and challenged. Relieved to have some of my inner thoughts and concerns expressed and challenged to further explore. Thank you for the extensive footnotes that included material for me to further chase. I want to reread some of my favorite Thomas Merton books as well. I grew up in a loving family, father was a fundamentalist Baptist preacher/pastor. I'm grateful for the exposure to scripture and continually find myself drawn back to the basics. My husband and I live upstate NY where we have really not connected with a church body. We have conflictual thoughts and feelings about our limited choices but continue to desire fellowship with other believers. Our faith in Jesus remains strong but churches are scary.

In my work I ... teach social work at a local university... In my work and interests, I love the exposure to diversity and the opportunities to learn. I love the "stuff" of being human and being around real people. Your book has reinforced how establishing my faith firmly in Jesus should naturally equip and draw me to others. I'm not such a freak after all! Thank you.


The power of hospitality

Teaser Three: "Hospitality" from We See No Enemy on Vimeo.

Learn more here: http://www.weseenoenemy.com


Q & R: Are You a Universalist? Or a Whig?

Here's the Q:

After reading "Why did Jesus, et al, cross the road," I wanted to ask your thoughts on universal salvation, since you seemed to "dance around" this idea throughout the book. Is Christianity the "have" and other religions the "have-nots?" I would love it if you were to write a book on the subject ...

Here's the R:
As you can imagine, I get asked this question a lot. And it's a legitimate one that I love to talk about because it opens into one of the most important subjects Christians need to grapple with: what is Christianity for?

Whenever the question comes up, it feels like I'm being asked whether I'm a Whig. The Whigs (in US politics) were a powerful political party in the US in the early 1800s. They arose in large part in reaction to President Andrew Jackson, and they differed with the Democratic Party of the day over many issues - including banking, treatment of Native Americans, presidential war powers, and the Supreme Court. After a few decades of relevance, they had no coherent and unified response to the issue of slavery. When they couldn't deal constructively with that emergent issue, they faded into nonexistence.

Universalism is one of three "theo-political parties" that arose in an era that shared a dominant assumption: the Christian faith is primarily a solution to the problem of original sin, which is a condition that dooms all humans to eternal conscious torment in hell. "What is Christianity for?" All three parties agreed: to get as many souls as possible out of hell and into heaven after death. Jesus mattered because belief in him was the ticket to heaven. Based on this shared assumption, the three parties differed on the scope of Jesus' saving-from-hell work.

The "Exclusivist Party" said that exemption from hell and entry into heaven was granted only to Christians. The "Inclusivist Party" said that hell exemption was granted to Christians and others of good faith. The Universalist Party said that all would be granted exemption from hell and entry into heaven through the universal saving work of Jesus.

Meanwhile, many of us are coming to a similar conclusion: all three parties define themselves based on assumptions that we no longer share. We don't believe
A) that the Christian faith should be defined in terms of the doctrine of original sin (as articulated in the fifth through seventh centuries, and defended today most enthusiastically by neo-Calvinism and Fundamentalism), or
B) that "salvation" in the Bible is primarily about exemption from eternal conscious torment in hell, or
C) that Christianity's primary purpose is to determine one's after-death destination.

For us,
A) The Christian faith is about the good news of God proclaimed and embodied by Jesus Christ and affirmed, explored, and applied by the apostles, rooted in the Scriptures, and empowered by the Holy Spirit.
B) Salvation derives its meaning in the Bible from God's liberation (salvation) of Hebrew slaves in Egypt. It is about God's ongoing work in creation to liberate from slavery, oppression, exploitation, lust, greed, pride, and all other forms of sin and evil.
C) Christianity is a movement of people joining God in the healing of the world, beginning with ourselves, following the way of Jesus.

In that sense, salvation is universal in intent - of course! In that sense, I am a universalist because I believe God loves all that has been created (Psalm 145:8-9). God "is not willing for any to perish," but desires all to discover the liberating truth. So when people like me hear exclusivists act as if God elected some to privilege and others to damnation, we can't stop asking questions.... What kind of God would create a universe planning to consign much of it to destruction and even worse - to eternal conscious torment? And if people end up in hell "by mistake" - not by God's pre-planned intention - why would God have decided that was a risk worth taking? What kind of God would find it "self-glorifying" to enjoy bliss in heaven with the redeemed while the unredeemed suffer eternally down in the basement? What kind of people would, upon sober reflection, consider that end to be blissful? Is that the best "good news" that Christianity can muster - eternal salvation of a few, eternal damnation of the rest?

When we say things like that, Exclusivists say, "Aha! So you're universalists after all! You believe everything is going to end up fine so there is no need for Christian evangelism and mission."

But that's equally far from the truth. We look around us and see creation subject to oppression and injustice on every hand. Vulnerable people are exploited by powerful and predatory people. Ecosystems are destroyed by foolish and careless economies (in which nearly all of us are partakers). Systems of oppression rape, pillage, steal, kill, and destroy. Is the whole universe enjoying "salvation" in that sense of liberation to God's "shalom?" Is the "missio dei" complete? Of course not! What kind of God, or believers, would say, "It's OK! Everyone's going to heaven in the end! So don't worry too much about all these problems here on earth! Everything is fine! Sing another worship song and have another glass of wine!"

That kind of complacency is appalling. That's why, even though we believe God's love is universal, no exceptions, we don't feel the old term "universalism" - as popularly understood - fits.

If the gospel is the good news of God's gracious love for all creation ... if the gospel is a call to universal reconciliation with God, ourselves, one another, even our enemies, and all creation ... if discipleship is a call to "seek first God's kingdom and restorative justice" ... then asking us to define ourselves in relation to the old three-party system is like asking us our opinion of Andrew Jackson when the Civil War is looming.

Just as the issue of slavery rearranged American politics in the mid-1800's, emerging issues are rearranging our theological landscape today, including:

- environmental destruction that is an inevitable consequence of an unsustainable economy
- unaccountable corptocracy and increasing corporate control over government and media
- the growing gap between a rich elite and the poor masses, between those who monopolize wealth and opportunity and those who work harder and harder for a smaller and smaller share
- an out-of-control military-industrial complex and the proliferation of weapons, from guns to nuclear weapons
- the rise of fearful, militant, and hateful religion
- the breakdown of communities, families, and human thriving in the fallout of the previous issues

Contrary to our critics, our rethinking of the three-party theo-political system hasn't involved ignoring the Bible, cherry-picking happy passages and employing the "select-delete" keys over the others. No - we've gone back to the Scriptures and studied them passionately. We've become convinced that the old theological systems that interpreted every verse in the Bible in light of what I call "the six-lined narrative" are in fact houses of cards, or perhaps better put, houses built on sand.

We've realized that centuries of tradition have taught good Christians to make unwarranted assumptions - for example, that "salvation" means "exemption from hell," or that "judgment" means "sending to hell," or that "Jesus died for our sins" means "Jesus died as a penal substitutionary sacrifice to solve the problem of original sin." Instead, we're reading the Bible with different hypotheses - that "salvation" means "liberation, healing, correction, and restoration," that "judgment" goes beyond punishment to restoration and so means "confronting evil and setting things right," that "Jesus died for our sins" can mean "Jesus died because of our sins," or "Jesus died to turn and heal us from our sins."

That's why I think the old three-party system that divides people into exclusivists, inclusivists, and universalists offers people - like the Whigs of the early 1800's - three ways of being increasingly irrelevant and unhelpful.

My critics love to say that I'm evading (dancing around) the issue. I wish they could come to understand that it's much worse than that. I'm rejecting the whole paradigm that defines the issue as it does.

I'm sorry - that's probably way more than you were asking for! But I hope it helps explain why I love to respond to this question, even though I can't offer a short, one-word, yes-no answer to it. You'd think I'd at least have a clever one-sentence answer by now. (The one in italics above is probably as close as I've come in that regard ...) Am I dancing around the question? No ... it's just not the question I want to dance with. Another question has captured my heart, namely, "How can I participate in God's dreams coming true here on planet earth?" There's a dance that I can enter into with both feet and a full heart.

(Three of my books deal most directly with this question:
Everything Must Change
A New Kind of Christianity
The Last Word and the Word After That.


A beautiful tribute to Gordon Cosby

... by my friend Wes Granberg-Michaelson, here: http://sojo.net/blogs/2013/03/24/gordon-cosby-my-mentor
Quotable - a powerful description of a kind of spiritual direction we need more and more people to offer one another:

As daily practices of prayer, biblical reflection, and journal writing began slowly making inroads into my hectic and workaholic lifestyle, Gordon would meet me regularly for dinner, becoming my spiritual director. I’d race from my office on Capital Hill to meet for our appointment, and he’d simply ask me to read to him what I’d like to share from my journal.

Gordon crafted the sacred space for my inward journey to take root and begin to grow. He’d ask probing, discerning questions, and then listen, periodically making creative suggestions. Sensing that the emotional feelings of grace and love needed to be nurtured within me, he once suggested that I modify the traditional “Jesus Prayer” and instead repeat, “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, I love you.” I’ve never forgotten.


Q & R: Subversive Liturgy?

Here's the Q:

The Woman’s Book group that I help facilitate is currently reading Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? We are loving it and the many challenges it presents to us. We are discovering that the other that we seem to struggle with the most, is often our fellow Christians! Wow!
Anyway, we just finished reading Chapter 19, “How the Christian Year Can Become More Christian” – the enthusiasm in the room to embrace this sort of liturgy was very, very high (especially getting rid of the “banality of geese a-laying, etc…). So, when is your book coming out on Subversive Liturgy? We can’t wait to start our own “creative disturbance” within our congregation! Hoping to hear from you!

Here's the R:
That's the project I'm working on right now. I'll be writing until September, and then the book will go into editing and production phases for release (I think) in June 2014. We're targeting June because we think a lot of folks will want to begin using it in September 2014, December 2014, or January 2015 - for either the school, church, or calendar year. The book will be 52+ short sermons, one for each week, with a simple liturgy, lectionary, and set of queries for group engagement. It's coming together and I'm getting more enthusiastic about it each week that passes. I'm about to get a few hours of writing in today ...
PS - I'm not 100% sure of the title yet. It may be simply, "Catechesis," or it may be "To Be Alive." Or ...


A reader writes: Less Loneley

I wanted to email you to say thank you. Thank you for your many books, of which I have several! I've also heard you speak at Greenbelt. You, and others associated with the emerging church have been able to articulate what I was thinking and feeling. Reading your books has helped me to find some answers to questions I was asking, as well as make me ask a lot more! It is indeed a journey of discovery, but one which I feel would be very lonely if not for your books.
This is always encouraging to hear, especially because I am grateful for this experience myself ... reading someone else's books and thinking, "What a relief ... I'm not the only person who has wondered about that."

Palm Sunday

Today I imagine Jesus looking over our world.
"Oh, human civilization, civilization - massive organization that stones the prophets and silences those sent to you with God's truth and wisdom. How often I have wanted to gather you together as a hen gathers her chicks. But you would not come. If only you knew the things that made for peace ..."

Or maybe it would be this:
"Oh, Christendom, Christendom ... If only you knew...."

And what makes for peace? These words from Dr. King come to mind:

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

In our world of drones, secret prisons, terrorism, counter-terrorism, occupations, nuclear threats, and more ... let us join Jesus today, looking over Jerusalem, looking over our world, weeping and praying for peace.


A reader writes: Lonely Stage 3

A reader writes:

It was a pleasure getting the chance to meet you yesterday. I had to slip out early to make the 2.5 hour trek back [home]

I knew your lecture would be well worth the drive. The four phases of belief certainly resonated with me. I have been stuck in a lonely Stage 3 for about ten years now. It can be difficult to show grace to well-intentioned family members who have chosen to remain in Stage 1 (especially when they send me John McArthur books in the mail), but your perspective helped me to see that all stages of belief – even simplistic belief – have a purpose. I would have loved to have asked you a million questions.... I’m sure you are bombarded with questions every time you speak. You have an extraordinary gift for taking big ideas from many different disciplines and organizing them into a framework that makes them accessible to the masses.

Thank you for your willingness to travel to reach out to groups and congregations.

Thanks for this encouraging note. Responding to questions is one of the most enjoyable things I get to do, so next time I'm in town I hope you'll ask a bunch.
For those interested in the stages this reader refers to - you'll find more in Naked Spirituality.


Q & R: How do I know?

Here's the Q:

Hi Brian,
I don’t know if you will actually read this email…but I wanted to say that when I read your biography, it resonated with me. I too grew up in a deeply conservative Christian home; I teach English literature to high school students. I work at a Christian school and know the “right” answers to faith and theology. However, I wrestle with traditional conceptions of Christianity. I am scared to fully embrace what I now think to be true, because if I am wrong…the implications are disastrous (ie. Will people I know go to hell because I don't think its about reciting a little prayer?)

I want to know truth--but it is so elusive. How do I find it?

Here's the R:
Thanks for your question. I keep coming back to these three things:
1. You keep coming back to test claims against Scripture. You've already discovered, for example, that "the sinners prayer" isn't there, nor are many of the assumptions behind it.
2. You grapple with issues with trusted friends and mentors. If you don't have friends or mentors who are asking or have asked similar questions, this means finding some.
3. You keep praying - for guidance, for wisdom, for the right motives.
These three habits will not guarantee you'll "know with absolute certainty the absolute truth." But they will help you keep moving toward God's light. And as you move in that direction, you set an example for others to follow ... which is the best way to help others.


Chicago, Dallas, Richmond ...

Hope to see many of you over the next few days:
Chicago - Thursday 21 March, an evening with author Lillian Daniel

Dallas - A weekend in the Bible, March 22-23

Richmond - a night with actor Ted Schwartz, March 24

Richmond - March 25-27, Lenten Series, St. Paul's


Q & R: Isn't the Afterlife Longer?

Here's the Q:

One of the joys of journeying with fellow believers who do not share our own views is being challenged by them. Many of my friends would not consider you very highly as a Christian leader, but without your books, thoughtfulness, and (when you were a pastor) sermons I would unlikely be a Christian anymore.

Something I've constantly run into has been the challenge to answer others when they speak of salvation, eternal life, or the Kingdom of God as an eternal state. I'm starting to really see how the gospels and the New Testament really focuses on eternal life as having life to the full here and now, in the present, a this-worldly sort of experience. On the other hand, there is no denying that the afterlife has its place in Christianity. After all, we do all die. Whether we see heaven as coming down to earth or us going up to heaven, the afterlife is there, staring us in the face. And here's the clincher for many of my friends: it's much longer than our time on earth.

So when I bring up the Kingdom of God was (in part) about reconciliation between violent enemies, restoring justice and peace in the world, or even doing good by feeding the hungry, the response has been, "Yeah, but that's only good for the next 40 or so years."

My only response to that you will find very few (if any!) examples of evangelism in Scripture that demonstrate the afterlife as the reason we spread the good news. Luke does not record in Acts the apostles preaching the gospel as an afterlife-focused endeavor. The book of Romans doesn't even address "hell" (in the traditional sense), and it's all about salvation!

Yet… somehow, the whole "eternity is much longer than this life" seems to be a stronghold, even for me at times.

If you have the chance to respond, I'm sure others would appreciate your thoughts. Keep up the good work and keep preaching Jesus Christ!

Here's the R:
As I've made clear in all my writings, I don't think we're dealing with an either/or between this life and the afterlife. But I believe we've turned things backwards ... making this life count little because the afterlife counts so much. We commonly see religious people reducing, reducing, reducing ... Jesus' life didn't matter; only his death mattered. Saving the whales doesn't matter; only saving souls matters. How you live doesn't matter; only what you believe matters. How you treat the poor doesn't matter; only how you treat Jesus matters, etc. etc.

But I think a proper understanding of this life and the after life - as one integrated "life of the ages" or "life to the full" - works in the opposite way: Everything matters. No, it doesn't all matter equally, but it all matters - because it all contributes to the "who" that we become. The way we treat the planet demonstrates whether we're careless or careful, considerate or presumptuous, selfish or prudent, wasteful or wise. Similarly, the way we treat the poor demonstrates whether we're stingy or generous, and the way we treat our enemies demonstrates whether we follow Caesar or Christ. If we practice one side of that equation, that's the kind of person we become - and that's the "us" that we bring into the afterlife. So ... if anything, belief in the afterlife makes all these choices more significant.

I suspect that the problem isn't whether or not we believe in the afterlife; I suspect the underlying problem is the narrative or framing story in which we place this life and afterlife. I've written about "the six-line narrative" in A New Kind of Christianity. That's the narrative that I think has marginalized this life in view of the afterlife. And I've tried to describe an alternative narrative in my book The Story We Find Ourselves In. That will be the subject of my upcoming book as well.

To believe in an afterlife wisely can make us fear no sacrifice - including martyrdom - in pursuit of God's kingdom and justice. It can make us willing to give and suffer, not just for our families and friends and nations, but even for our enemies ... and even for the birds of the air and fish of the sea, because we believe that beyond this life, we are welcomed into the love of the Creator who loves all creation. It empowers us to see through the shallow and unsustainable economies that currently rule our world - to live by another economy through which we "lay up treasures in heaven" through goodness, kindness, generosity, mercy, and love. It's part of the good news that changes everything.


Half Christian Half Muslim

Teaser One: "Paradise" from We See No Enemy on Vimeo.

Learn more here: http://www.weseenoenemy.com


Hopeful signs from Pope Francis

Here: http://www.religionnews.com/2013/03/20/pope-francis-says-atheists-can-be-allies-for-the-church/

Francis said that he intends to follow “on the path of ecumenical dialogue” set for the Roman Catholic Church by the Second Vatican Council (1962-65).

But he also reached out to those who don’t belong “to any religious tradition” but feel the “need to search for the truth, the goodness and the beauty of God.”

Francis echoed his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, saying that the “attempt to eliminate God and the divine from the horizon of humanity” has often led to catastrophic violence.

But Francis, who has set a humbler tone to the papacy since his election on March 13, added that atheists and believers can be “precious allies” in their efforts “to defend the dignity of man, in the building of a peaceful coexistence between peoples and in the careful protection of creation.”


John 14:6 ... homebrewed

I'm a big fan of Homebrewed Christianity ... here's my most recent appearance on their podcast:


Today's reflections ...

Richard Rohr's reflections on the new pontifex here ...

Reflections from Jon Sobrino (another one of my Catholic theological heroes) here:

My reflections on Rob Portman, Hillary Clinton, and Rob Bell here ...


In Memoriam: Gordon Cosby

My friend Becca Stelle sent this news today:

It is with great joy, as well as sadness, that we convey to you the word that at 4:15 this morning--on the first day of spring--our beloved brother in Christ, Gordon Cosby, quietly slipped into the fullness of God's Realm. Mary was sleeping beside him and continues to be a pillar of spiritual strength.

Our hearts are full.

This evening those of us who are able and wish to do so are welcome to drop by the Potter's House--just to share love with each other and to thank God for giving us such a one as Gordon. An informal time of sharing will begin at 6:30 p.m.

The actual memorial service will be held sometime after Easter...

Gordon's influence on my life was indirect, but strong. I only met him a handful of times, the most meaningful being an afternoon spent chatting with him at the Potter's House ten or so years ago. But Gordon and Church of the Savior had a profound influence on my friend Bill Duncan, who with his wife Shobha were the cofounders of Cedar Ridge Community Church, where I was privileged to serve as a pastor and grow as a member for many years. Bill and Shobha, through their friendship and partnership, have been so formative in my life and work.

It has often been said that Church of the Savior was the original "Emerging Church." In fact, COS has modeled ongoing, continual emergence. The last time I was with Gordon, he shared something to this effect (all who knew him will recognize this kind of reflection from Gordon): "We've been at this for decades now, but I still feel that we've just begun to re-imagine what the church can be. We have so much more to learn. We have made so many mistakes. We have only taken the first few stops on this journey."

When many were bragging over a life of accomplishments, Gordon was still humble, still unsatisfied, still peering forward, still curious, still feeling like a beginner. When many were obsessed with size, he was obsessed with essence. Of his many great gifts to us was his lifelong desire to integrate inward and outward journeys ... discipleship and mission ... contemplation and action ... spirituality and social justice. He lived it in one neighborhood - but modeled it for people around the world. His life is a small stone of Christ-like vision, thrown quietly into the twentieth century, whose ripples will spread for generations to come.


Where can I find?

Here's the Q:

I recently found a great set of short videos on youtube introducing the 10 questions covered in New Kind of Christianity. Unfortunately one is missing, No. 3. The God Question.

I would like to use these videos for a study group, so wondered if you could tell me how to get the missing videos. Many thanks.

Here's the R:
You'll find them all right here.
So glad you're using the book for a study group!


Podcast at Fundamorphosis ...

I really enjoyed my interview with Robb and Vanessa Ryerse, here:


A reader writes: you have given me confidence

A reader writes:

First of all, thank you for your book, Why Did Jesus, Moses, Mohammed and the Buddha and Cross the Road. You have named and given a well-articulated theological basis for the Christianity, that I have tried to live and teach both throughout my nineteen years of parish ministry and now as a writer.

Although trained as one of those weakened liberal tolerant Christians, I personally believed that a strong faith would enable my acceptance of others’ faith to grow. Therefore my years of ministry focused on teaching personal spiritual growth without the hostile element you describe so brilliantly.

...You have given me confidence in my message. Your book is a true gift.


We're almost full but ...

we can squeeze a few more in for my workshop this weekend in Dallas. We'll be doing an overview of the Hebrew Scriptures Friday night and Saturday, helping people grapple with the Bible in a fresh way. Learn more about Storyline: Reading the Bible Afresh ...
(Part 2 on the gospels will be in May, with Part 3 on Acts in July and Part 4 on the Epistles and Revelation in December)


Wisdom from First Nations

A powerful interview with Leanne Simpson, full of wisdom and inconvenient truth:

Extraction and assimilation go together. Colonialism and capitalism are based on extracting and assimilating. My land is seen as a resource. My relatives in the plant and animal worlds are seen as resources. My culture and knowledge is a resource. My body is a resource and my children are a resource because they are the potential to grow, maintain, and uphold the extraction-assimilation system. The act of extraction removes all of the relationships that give whatever is being extracted meaning. Extracting is taking. Actually, extracting is stealing—it is taking without consent, without thought, care or even knowledge of the impacts that extraction has on the other living things in that environment. That’s always been a part of colonialism and conquest. Colonialism has always extracted the indigenous—extraction of indigenous knowledge, indigenous women, indigenous peoples.

...I first started to think about that probably 20 years ago, and it was through some of Winona LaDuke’s work and through working with elders out on the land that I started to really think about this. Winona took a concept that’s very fundamental to Anishinaabeg society, called mino bimaadiziwin. It often gets translated as “the good life,” but the deeper kind of cultural, conceptual meaning is something that she really brought into my mind, and she translated it as “continuous rebirth.” So, the purpose of life then is this continuous rebirth, it’s to promote more life. In Anishinaabeg society, our economic systems, our education systems, our systems of governance, and our political systems were designed with that basic tenet at their core.

I suspect that bimaadiziwin points in the same direction as Jesus' term "the kingdom of God," or "life to the full." May we all turn from seeking money first, economic growth first, security first, wealth or leisure first ... to seeking bimaadiziwin first: God's reign and God's justice, continuous rebirth.


Angels in Lakeland, FL

Lakeland will have some important visitors this weekend. The whole city - and especially the executives of Lakeland’s (and Florida’s) number one corporation - need to choose how they’ll be welcomed.

Who are these visitors? They are ambassadors of a sort.

They don’t represent a nation like China or Brazil or Greece. Nor do they represent a religion - Buddhism or Islam or Roman Catholicism. These guests to Lakeland, traveling 200 miles on foot as an expression of their desire to make meaningful contact, represent a group of people whom our nation - and our state - and key citizens of the city of Lakeland - have not, until now, treated with human dignity and respect.

I understand that the 1,342nd wealthiest member of the human race lives in Lakeland, but these guests are from the opposite end of the socio-economic spectrum, the bottom of the pyramid instead of the top.

On Saturday, March 16, these ambassadors will march down South Florida Avenue. They’ll be welcomed at St. Joseph’s Catholic Church by Bishop John Noonan.

From there, they will march by Subway, McDonald’s, Chipotle Mexican Grill, and Taco Bell - among 51 businesses in Lakeland whose top executives have shown respect to these honored guests. When you do business with these establishments, you can take pride in the fact that they have not turned away these guests in disgrace, but rather, have welcomed them with open arms.

On Sunday March 17, these guests will march to the headquarters of Publix. Publix is an important and beloved company in Florida, highly respected in many ways, but in this one way, Publix is an embarrassment to Lakeland and to Florida. On each of their previous visits, Publix has refused to meet with the guests who will come again in hopes of being welcomed on March 17.

Publix is widely praised for its charitable donations, as it should be. But Publix is widely questioned for its refusal to meet with the farmworkers by whose labor Publix, Lakeland, and the State of Florida realize sizable profits. It’s good to show generosity with a portion of your profits, but it’s even better to be sure that those profits are gained in an ethical and exemplary way, and that’s what the farmworkers - Lakeland’s guests on March 16-17 - will be asking.

Publix officials have repeatedly given three reasons for their refusal to meet with the farmworkers - all of which are either misinformed or misleading. If they meet with the guests this weekend, they will discover that the Fair Food Program advocated by these ambassadors perfectly addresses each of their concerns.

They would learn that the Fair Food Program is already working with many of retailers like theirs. In fact, over $8 million has already been distributed to workers, paid by retailers to the farms, who then in turn pass it on to workers as a bonus in each check. They would learn that far from being a “labor dispute,” the Fair Food Program is a kind of covenantal partnership between 90% of Florida’s tomato growers, 11 multi-billion-dollar retailers, and 30,000 of the state’s hardest working people. Through this partnership, without government intrusion, business leaders and workers are working together to reduce poverty and abuse - including recent cases of modern-day slavery. Why would a respected company like Publix want to miss out on that any longer?

Last year around this time, these guests came to Lakeland - I was with them too - to participate in a fast in front of Publix headquarters. Bishop Noonan shared these words of blessing and welcome with the guests:  "The challenge for all of God's people is to work to create the reality of the kingdom right here, right now.... We pray for Publix corporate leaders that God will inspire them to work in collaboration with the Immokalee Workers to advance the rights of agricultural workers. We pray for all who labor that during this season of Lent, justice will be achieved through just wages and that the dignity and rights of those who work to bring food to our tables be respected.  May we continue to build the Kingdom of God by satisfying the hunger and thirst of the many who depend on our compassion and action."

The Bible is full of stories of people not appreciating or properly welcoming visitors. In their welcome of visitors, the New Testament says, people have sometimes “entertained angels unawares.” Let’s hope that Publix, and all of Lakeland, will give these guests - who will arrive this weekend on sore feet and weary legs, but with full hearts and open hands - the warm and respectful welcome they deserve.


The best material on the Parable of the Prodigal Son I've ever seen ...

Drawn together by Paul Nuechterlein at GirardianLectionary.net (an amazing, priceless resource), here:

I'm honored to be quoted by Paul here, especially in the company of my Catholic friend James Alison and my Protestant friend Rob Bell, along with Bonhoeffer, Hardin, and many others.


The Latest from Immokalee Workers

This is a big week for my friends at Coalition for Immokalee Workers. A group of workers and supporters are walking 200 miles to demonstrate to the leadership of Publix (a major grocer in the South) their good faith in wanting them to join the Fair Food Campaign.

Here's my Huffington Post piece on the march: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-d-mclaren/we-are-poor-but-we-too-are-human-beings_b_2817825.html

And here's an invitation from some friends of mine to support the march (after the jump):

Continue reading The Latest from Immokalee Workers...


A reader writes: All interpretation is ethical

A reader writes:

I've been meaning to write you to say a BIG THANKS for your excellent book, Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammad Cross the Road? My wife and I are active worshippers and partners in [a church] where you spoke a couple of months ago. We were absent that Sunday but some good friends of ours were present and bought and brought me a copy of your book later that week saying, "Brian sounds a lot like you! We think you'll enjoy his new book!"

Indeed I find your book not only elegantly written but astonishingly important for contemporary Christians, as well as for those of other faith traditions. It is the very best book I've read on Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World, and I've been giving gift-copies to family, to friends, and to faculty among whom I now serve in the context of secular higher education. Thank you for many precious insights about creating a "strong-benevolent" Christian identity, doctrine as "healing instruments" rather than instruments of coercion or violence, subversive friendships, reforming liturgy, witness and evangelism as going together to a new place neither of us has been before, and the vision of a new world where people of peace and good faith are honoring our differences and yet joining together to work and pray for the common good. Thank you for boldly writing about Rene Girard's insights about religious violence and scapegoating, and for naming "hermeneutics" as crucial ("all interpretation is ethical")--though I can't find the chapter/page reference at the moment, you are the first author writing to a potentially wide audience that addresses basic issues in hermeneutics. Thank you for giving voice to the issues and concerns so many of us share as followers of Jesus, and for your voice of honesty about so much that troubles us, and yet your voice of hope and new possibility. Through your writing, you are for me a rare kindred spirit, and this is a precious gift indeed.

Thanks for these encouraging words. Encouragement about Cross the Road is helping me as I'm deep into work on my next project. Glad for a kindred spirit - especially one who understands how important interpretation is.


Q & R: Trinity - a stumbling block for unity?

Here's the Q:

In the book are you saying this Doctrine should stay around but in the reformulated state of "Social Trinitarianism" because you believe it or because we can not move forward without bringing it along with us? It seems to us (the study group I am in) that this Doctrine in particular will continue to be a stumbling block for unity among the believers of the One True God. Thanks very much for a response.

Here's the R:
Your question points up a critical issue that I think many of us involved in "Emergence Christianity" (or whatever it's called) are grappling with. When you say "because you believe it" - the question for me isn't "if I believe it" (I do) but "how do I believe it?"

There's a way of holding a belief that says, "This belief perfectly contains God, and if you don't have this belief and use these words, you don't have God." There's another way of holding a belief that says, "No words can contain God. But they can point in God's direction ... and by looking in the direction pointed by these words, my vision of God is improved."

Or there's a way of holding a belief that says, "I'm right/You're wrong if you don't agree." There's another way of holding it that implies, "I've discovered life here, and truth, and beauty, and hope, and meaning. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but I am happy to share with you what I've found here ... and happy to learn from you what you've found."

In that spirit, I think the doctrine can be a gift, not a stumbling block (for reasons I describe in Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road). By the way, to speak of "One True God" can equally be a stumbling block, say when you're speaking to a Hindu or Buddhist or atheist. So the "how, not if" question can be worthwhile even for that belief.

This is a big part of what Rob Bell is grappling with in his new book, which releases today.


Friends in LA, Chicago, Dallas, Richmond ...

I'd love to see you when I'm in your neighborhood over the next two weeks.
LA - This Friday and Saturday

Chicago - Thursday 21 March, an evening with author Lillian Daniel

Dallas - A weekend in the Bible, March 22-23

Richmond - a night with actor Ted Schwartz, March 24

Richmond - March 25-27, Lenten Series, St. Paul's


For the birds

People who know me well know that I'm an avid birder. Not quite a "The Big Year" type (yet), but I love identifying birds (especially by song). It was great to learn from my friend David B that there are more birders than hunters out there (not to insult hunters) ... which makes me wonder if Isaiah today might speak of recycling our weapons as binoculars?


If you don't get why some of us love birding, invest 2 minutes in this:

Does it ever take your breath away to think we get to be alive on the same planet with such amazing creatures? (And these are ... starlings!)


TGIM: I didn't have the luxury of being a moral creature

Thank God It's Monday! I hope to blog more frequently on the spirituality of work under this heading. This comment came in a few weeks ago:

Brian, in this Sunday’s edition of the New York Times Magazine the lead article is about how hard food companies work to make us want to eat more of their products, regardless of the consequences to our health.

The author interviewed Howard Moskowitz, a noted food scientist who specializes in “optimizing” food so people will want to eat more of it. The bold italics are mine.

“I first met Moskowitz on a crisp day in the spring of 2010 at the Harvard Club in Midtown Manhattan. As we talked, he made clear that while he has worked on numerous projects aimed at creating more healthful foods and insists the industry could be doing far more to curb obesity, he had no qualms about his own pioneering work on discovering what industry insiders now regularly refer to as “the bliss point” or any of the other systems that helped food companies create the greatest amount of crave.‘There’s no moral issue for me,’ he said. ‘I did the best science I could. I was struggling to survive and didn’t have the luxury of being a moral creature. As a researcher, I was ahead of my time.’ ”

To me, this is the quintessential human dilemma in one sentence – I would love to hear your comments.

Well said. One of the most important features of the Christian church's mission (and the same could be said for other religious communities) is to help people realize that "being a moral creature" is not a luxury. It's a reality, a necessity, and human responsibility.

So I hope today all who read this will ponder their "Monday through Friday" work and open their hearts to receive it as a holy mission. Every person you meet, every decision you make, every word you speak ... you are living out your faith, your purpose, and your vision as a moral human being. It all counts. It is all meaningful. It all matters. So thank God it's Monday!


Q & R: a gay mom

Here's the Q:

A friend of mine just forwarded me one of your responses to an individual "breaking ties" with you. My mother recently came out after 39 years of what I thought to be happy marriage to my father. Although my family scenario is a bit different because it involved a marriage, children, and grandchildren, it is obvious to me that Jesus still loves my mom deeply. What resources do you recommend I read to learn more about what the Bible truly has to teach on this topic? Although I can go back and study the Bible on my own, I find it difficult to do without letting the ignorant bias of previous teachings guide my thoughts. Any help is greatly appreciated, and will hopefully help in this new truth my family is trying to live.

Here's the R:
Your mom is blessed to have you in the family ... as is your family. If you go to the top right of the homepage for this site, you'll the search box. If you type in "homosexuality" you'll find a lot of resources that I've recommended over the last few years, and hopefully, some additional information that will be helpful. Millions of families are learning to understand "this new truth" in their family system - and having compassionate and open-hearted people like you makes a big difference.


A reader writes: All the religious garbage I've acquired

A reader writes:

I have so enjoyed reading your books, right now I'm reading the secret message of Jesus. I will try to make a long story short. I grew up Lutheran, left the church when I was in my early twenties. Have some fog on an abuse issue I suffered under a lutheran pastor when I was six, but anyways, I moved on to churches that taught born again,and adult baptism,etc. In that setting, it was discovered that I had a gift of music, so I began to write songs and was on a worship team for several years. Short story, I got in the middle of a dog fight and was kicked off the team because of my friendship with others. Anyhow, I've been to a few churches and eventually came to a small group, where we were listening to Dr. Greg Boyd, in which I was ministered to greatly. However some in the group thought he is a heratic, and so here I am, not going anywhere at the moment. My uncle, who is a retired United pastor who married his lesbian daughter, told me about your books. OFcourse I was skeptical because of all the religious garbage I've acquired over the years. But, I absolutely enjoy everything I've come across. I guess I want to say a huge thankyou! I am praying that I will find a group or church or whatever that are willing to think outside the box like yourself. I don't suppose you will be coming to Ontario, Canada, anytime soon?

Thanks for this note. Greg is a friend, and it's sad (but completely predictable) to see good people like him labelled heretics. (Recently he's been grappling with the subject of violence in the Bible, which will garner him even more criticism - but all for a good cause!) You're right - it's often hard to find a church where you can both a) be honest about your questions and rethinking processes and b) find inspiration, challenge, spiritual depth, and engagement in meaningful mission. But more and more churches are moving into this space - some from the "Mainline" side and some from the "Evangelical" side. Then there are also retreat centers (often catholic), emergent cohorts, pub theology groups, and other EFC's (experimental faith communities) springing up.

I checked my schedule, and the next time I'll be in Ontario (Toronto) will be 14-15 November. People can always check when I'll be in there area on the "Schedule" section of my site.


In Omaha this weekend ...

If you're in the area, I hope you'll join us!


A Review that Ends with a Question

Robb Ryerse reviews Why Did Jesus ... here:
You should check out Robb's new book too - Fundamorphosis.


Want to get oriented about Israel Palestine?

Middle East Experience is offering a video conference call with Sami Awad. The call will take place on Friday March 22nd at noon Mountain Standard Time. You can learn more here and here

Sami is an important voice - an Evangelical Christian Palestinian - that more Christians, especially Evangelicals, and especially in the United States, need to hear from. Please spread the word. Q & A will be an important part of the call.


Shocked. Disgusted. We have not come as far as we thought.

This powerful post about the Oscar-night insult of an amazing young actor is well worth reading:

Wil Gafney's post is especially important in light of disturbing statements made by a Supreme Court Justice about voting rights in America last week. Helpful reflections here:

Talk about judicial activism ...
Be sure to take note of the stats on legalizing ... interracial marriage!


I'll be in Chicago, March 21, with Lillian Daniel

Kelli Murray

March 21 discussion to be held at Winnetka Congregational Church

MARCH 6, 2013 – Winnetka, Ill. – Author and senior pastor Lillian Daniel of the First Congregational Church in Glen Ellyn along with author and theologian Brian McLaren team up to discuss Christianity at 7 p.m. March 21 at the Winnetka Congregational Church, 725 Pine St.

Somewhere between the Christian doctrine viewpoints of “Burn in Hell” and “Whatever floats your boat,” Daniel and McLaren will vocalize a reasonable case for the Christian community. Joseph A. Shank, senior pastor at Winnetka Congregational Church, will moderate the lively discussion.

The speakers are celebrated authors of the 2012-launched publishing house Jericho Books led by Wendy Grisham, which provides a space for non-traditional voices to express fresh perspectives on faith as it relates to religious, social and political issues. Both will be signing copies of their new books, Daniel’s “When Spiritual but Not Religious is Not Enough – Seeing God in Surprising Places, Even the Church,” and McLaren’s “Why did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?.”

Daniel is editor at large for Christian Century Magazine, contributing editor at Leadership Journal and author of “Tell It Like It Is: Reclaiming the Practice of Testimony.” She has taught at Yale Divinity School, Chicago Theological Seminary and the University of Chicago Divinity School. In 2010 she received the distinguished alumni award from Yale Divinity School for Distinction in Congregational Ministry.

McLaren is an author, speaker, activist and public theologian. His previous books include “Naked Spirituality” and “A New Kind of Spirituality.” A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a presenter in the Living the Questions “Saving Jesus” series.

For more information about the authors, visit jerichobooks.com/books.



On Creativity

From Troy Bronsink's new book:

God was so enthralled with a life of loving connectedness that God loved into existence a world with the same potential. Like a painter setting out with an end in mind, God imagines and engineers a world continually unfolding as an expression of God’s own original love. It’s almost as if God were standing at the future, lovingly drawing creation forward.

Each time God’s Spirit shows up, she is hovering over the unexplored potential. God does not rush the process. From the very beginning of time as scripture depicts it, we see the Spirit of God, as a patient artist, okay with the “unfinished” potential in the story. God is at home with things as they unfold.

As God’s creative project unfolds, each session’s work seems to speak to God as well about the next day’s work. The kind of listening we are talking about is not the same as acknowledging noise or words. This is at the core of what it means to be an artist: perceiving. The potter, the poet, and the person who prays each have to read between such lines. They have to listen through to what is felt at the core. Jesus used a quote about this from Isaiah in defense of his use of parables. Some, he said “ seeing they do not perceive, and hearing they do not listen, nor do they understand” (Mat 13:13 NRSV).

Art is like life in this way: the raw ingredients, the various materials and mediums that you intentionally engage with affect the art you make... Focusing on process alone would be like describing a painter without talking about the choices in pigment and canvas, without asking about the use of perspective, color, or tone, and with no attention to the place or day and age in which she painted. Its like an actor reading a script cold, no background story, no research, no setting, posture, accent or pathos. Attention to process it enriched when we pay as much attention to the ingredients.

Learn more here:
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Have you ever thought about starting a new faith community? Or ...

linking up with others who are doing innovative things in local congregations? You should know about the Transform Network.

Transform Southwest will gather April 5-6 in Fort Worth. You can learn more here:

The registration is really affordable ($25!) ... and the people who are coming are some of my favorite people anywhere.


Muslims. Environment. Conserving. Fishing. Beautiful.

Watch The Sacred Island on PBS. See more from Saving the Ocean.

If you don't have time to watch the whole video now, at least check out Imam Fazlun Kahlid sharing on the ecological message of the Quran at about 12:00.


Gay Marriage and the End of Civilization as we know it: 2 views


We are poor, but we, too, are human beings.

Those are the words of our neighbors who work in the fields, planting and harvesting the food we eat.

On Sunday, a group of my friends from Coalition of Immokalee Workers began a 200 mile march from Ft. Myers, FL, to Lakeland, FL, the headquarters of Publix Grocers. Publix is a good company that has been resisting doing good in relation to the farm workers for the last several years. By failing to stand in solidarity with the workers whose labor contributes to their bottom line, they are hurting their neighbors, disappointing all of us who care about fair food and ethical buying, and ultimately tarnishing their own public image.

For reasons that make no sense to us who know the situation of the workers and the ideals expressed by the company's founder, they have refused to participate in the Campaign for Fair Food.

They have refused even to have a substantive face-to-face meeting to discuss the matter.

As a result, they are cooperating with an old and broken system that has exploited farmworkers for far too long. The workers are asking them to join a new system that will treat the farmworkers with dignity as human beings.

Republicans, Democrats, and Independents have been speaking a great deal lately about their concern about "generational theft" - the way that our current spending and debt policies are unsustainable and place burdens on the young for the benefit of the old. Sustainability - economic and ecological - is a valid concern that deserves real attention.

But almost nobody has been talking about "demographic theft" - the way our current economic policies are aiding and abetting in a huge transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich. (More on that here.)

Listen to the voices of some of our nation's hardest-working people - people to whom we are connected by what we eat, and you will hear a moral summons to all of us - to corporate executives at Publix, and to buyers like you and me. "We are poor," they say, "but we, too, are human beings."


Q & R: 3 Questions on A New Kind of Christianity

Here are the Q', with R's inserted:

I just finished reading your book, A New Kind of Christianity. First, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to write the book. I agreed with many of the things you said in it. Also, I feel that asking questions and having discussions is a great way to grow. In your conclusion you encouraged readers of your book to “come to the table, join the conversation, and make your own contribution.” Therefore, I had a few questions for you in an attempt to join and contribute to the conversation (I hope that you will truly welcome me to the table).

Question 1:
It appears that you are saying that everyone will be reconciled to a perfect, eternal relationship with God in heaven, and everyone will be exempt from the eternal torment that is commonly defined as hell (if this is not the case, I apologize for the miscommunication and would be interested to know what you actually meant). How does that point of view fit into scriptures such as Matthew 13:36-52, Matthew 24:36-51, and Luke 13:22-30?

One of my problems in answering a question like this is that it assumes the framework in which Jesus was speaking was more or less the same as the framework in which people ask a question like this today, namely a set of assumptions about an ontological fall, original sin, total depravity, eternal conscious torment, etc. But I don't think that was the case. I think Jesus and his hearers shared a very different framework - more Jewish and less Christian, more Middle Eastern and less Greek, more oriented toward this life/history and less oriented toward afterlife/eternity. As well, I think we assume that Jesus was teaching when he often was un-teaching, meaning that he was taking common assumptions of his day - including the assumptions of the Pharisees about heaven, hell, and who populates each - and overturning them.

So, in many passages like these, I think Jesus is giving an urgent and timely warning, something like this: "I'm here teaching you a different way to cope with our current crisis - the crisis of Jewish identity under occupation by the Romans. Some of us are accommodating to the Romans, fitting in, making a buck, while others of us are plotting violent revolution. Both of these paths will lead to destruction. There's another path - a path of creative non-violent response. It's a narrow gate. It's a challenging road. But the other roads will lead to destruction."

In the wheat-weeds parable, the unspoken question seems to be why we have good and evil people living side by side. Why doesn't God remove the evil people now - presumably so that we will then be righteous enough to be delivered from Roman occupation? Jesus' answer seems to be that the time of separation will come soon enough. The "end of the age" he refers to is not, in my opinion, the same thing as people think of today when they say "end of the world" or "eschaton," etc. It was the end of the age centered in priesthood, sacrifice, circumcision, temple, holy city, etc. And it came when Jesus' countrymen staged a violent revolution against Rome in AD 67 and then the Romans came and crushed it in AD 70. As our Jewish brothers and sisters have made clear for centuries, the end of that age wasn't the end of the world, the end of Judaism, the end of faith in God, or the end of vibrant Jewish identity.

Matthew 24 describes the same scenario, in my opinion. It's interesting to note that in both cases, the ones "taken away" aren't the righteous (as in the dispensationalist doctrine of the Rapture). It's the reverse. The point isn't "Join our new religion or go to hell," but rather, "Be alert! Don't get sucked into the coming disaster!"

In the Luke 13 passage, again, we have to ask what Jesus and his hearers understood the word "saved" to mean. For many Christians today, it means "absolved of original sin so the soul can be justified through penal substitutionary atonement theory and received into heaven after death." I think that's a highly unlikely understanding for Jesus and his disciples. More likely, "saved" meant "saved from the coming explosion of violence and destruction that will bring an end to the world we know, the world centered in priesthood, sacrifice, circumcision, temple, holy city, etc."

I certainly may be wrong in these understandings - but even if I'm wrong, the traditional understandings are almost certainly wrong too. For example, in the Luke 13 passage, the "owner of the house" doesn't say, "Go away from me, all you who don't believe in the message of my religion." Those who are sent away aren't "the justified" or "the born again" or "the members of the one true church." The same in the Matthew 13 passage.

Question 2:
It appears that you believe that homosexuality is not a sin (once again, if this is not the case, I apologize for the miscommunication and would be interested to know what you actually meant). In light of this, how would you read scriptures such as 1 Timothy 1:3-11 and Romans 1:18-32?

So much has been written on the "clobber passages" - I'd encourage you to check out my friend Justin Lee's new book on the subject, Torn. But let me offer this: I don't think the Bible says anything explicit about diabetes, bipolar disorder, autism, or high blood pressure. Those were categories unknown to people in Bible times. Similarly, I don't think the Bible says anything explicit about the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party, etc., because again, those categories are alien to people in Bible times. And I don't believe a category like "sexual orientation" would ever have entered the mind of people in biblical times. It's simply an anachronism. So - to try to extract a verse from the Bible and apply it to sexual orientation would be like saying there's no such thing as bipolar disorder; we have to treat it as exorcism, since that's the closest biblical category ... or there's no such thing as capitalism, so we need to impose Jubilee and cancel all debts from the Old Testament, or impose "all things in common" from the Book of Acts, etc. I just think that's an unwise way of using the Bible ... for reasons I (try to) make clear again and again in the book.

Question 3:
In Matthew 18, Jesus discusses dealing with sin in the church in verses 15-20. I would be interested to hear your commentary on that passage.

Jesus is applying his social ethic to interpersonal conflicts among his followers - seeking reconciliation, not condemnation and exclusion by hearsay, etc. He is reminding his followers not to hold grudges and not to assume guilt and not to seek revenge, but to "move toward the other" as peacemakers.

A question for you: why were these three questions important for you personally?


A reader writes: some sense of not-aloneness

A reader writes:

yes, I'm one of the "marginalized" and the points you address in Secret Message are points I have dealt with for decades. I had never studied the life of Jesus in its political and social context, so your book was a real eye-opener.

have not attended church since my daughter's wedding. her son starts college this year. church was and is, for me, a total turn-off.

I have always - except for a brief interval when I considered myself agnostic - believed, but not in the rant and cant I heard. I can't tell what I believe, because it is bigger than whatever words I can wrap around the tiny little concept. but I believe.

your book has enhanced my understanding and provided some sense of not-aloneness.

Thanks ... it's good to know the book was helpful. I know a lot of people feel as you do ... surrounded by "rant and can't" but hungry for something more.


A particularly enjoyable interview ...

With Alan Brisco, here: http://bit.ly/YFkptH


If you're discouraged ...

Let Mickey Maudlin's recent experiences encourage you. I agree with him - I see the same encouraging signs from coast to coast.

Speaking of Mickey Maudlin - his recent article on religious publishing is well worth reading: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mickey-maudlin/why-evangelicals-have-all-the-bestsellers_b_2679131.html


A 6-minute economics lesson ...

on inequality in the USA:

(Thanks AK - http://paper.li/aklinefelter/co-laborers)


I am an Afghan child. Please stop killing me.

Please take five minutes and let your heart be touched by these Afghan human beings, beloved by God, who want us to identify with them and share their pain and hope. Please post, tweet, and retweet.

Learn more here.

Continue reading I am an Afghan child. Please stop killing me....


What makes you feel closer to God?

"What makes you feel closer to God?" When Christine Sine asked this question, the answers she received surprised her. It wasn't pipe organs and pulpits that most often opened people to God's presence, but simple things in daily life. In Return to Our Senses, Christine shows you how simple experiences - breathing, drinking a glass of water, walking amongst trees, shooting a photo, picking up a stone - can become "thin places" and pregnant moments in your daily life - helping you awaken to God's presence, savor God's nearness, and translate your experience of God into prayerful, compassionate action.

More on Christine's work here: http://godspace.wordpress.com
and here

Christine and Tom Sine have been an inspiration to me for years. Many years ago, they played a key role in helping me read the Scriptures in a fresh way. Christine's new book really touched my heart, and I know it will do the same for you. Here's a beautiful song from Carrie Newcomer that resonates with "Return to Our Senses" -


Q & R: Benediction

Here's the Q:

I attended the wonderful service you lead today at the Broad Street Presbyterian Church in Columbus, OH. I was deeply moved by the benediction you offered at the end and have been thinking about it all day. I was wondering if this is something you have written out and if so, would you mind sharing it with me. I would love to have it printed to read through it often and remind myself of the importance of being Christ's hands, feet, and mouth to the world around me. The benediction began something like "Christ has no hands but ours..."

Thank you for reminding me of the importance of this Christian life

Here's the R: I'm glad you found those words - drawn from Teresa of Avila - inspiring, as have I. You'll find the words here:



Texans, Secession, and a Baptist Pastor

A sermon worth your attention, even if you're not in Texas ...


Q & R: 6 Questions about Faith in Public Life

Here are the Q's with R's inserted:

(1) How do you distinguish between those moral issues that ought to be confronted in the Church alone, and those moral issues that ought to be confronted by the Church in the culture at large?

-- I believe the call to morality is an upward call. The Spirit of God meets us where we are and calls us to take the next step. So God calls us to cease from human sacrifice before leading us beyond animal sacrifice. God confronts us with the immorality of slavery, and then the immorality of segregation and apartheid, and then the immorality of discrimination and prejudice, and so on. So I would wish that our churches would always be in the forefront, grappling with the next-step moral issues that the culture at large is not ready to confront. Sadly, in recent centuries at least, it seems that the Holy Spirit often finds more of a receptive audience outside than inside our religious structures - but I suppose that is a reflection of how things were for Jesus: Galilee was more receptive than Jerusalem.

I think three moral issues will be critical for the century ahead. First, care for the planet means confronting the immorality of greed. Second, care for the poor means confronting the concentration of wealth and opportunity in the hands of a few, and requires the promotion of wiser and more compassionate economic policies for the ninety-nine percent, which the Bible calls "the multitudes." And third,constructive work for peace will mean transferring our sense of security from "horses and chariots" - or in our day, guns and bombs - to active peacemaking, in the words of Jesus as he wept over Jerusalem, "what makes for peace." Although many churches remain oblivious to these issues, and in some cases, line up on the wrong side of them, more and more Christians are being drawn to them as central to the biblical vision.

(2) Jesus choose not to answer some questions relating to moral behavior. How do we know when to remain silent?

-- Sometimes I don't think we "know," in the sense of having so much certainty that we don't even have to think or pray or talk about it. I think we need to do the same thing Jesus did ... which is to grow in wisdom, and to seek God's guidance in prayer, and to stay deeply open to the Spirit. I think we can learn a lot from studying history, and we can learn a lot by listening ... especially listening to people we normally don't listen to. When Jesus told us, for example, to love our enemies and to love the "least of these," I think he meant for starters that we should listen to them, to see them as human beings. Often, it is only through listening to "the other" that we discover our own immorality.

(3) How do we distinguish the Spirit's prompting us to speak over against our own sense of moral outrage?

First, I think we need to clarify what we mean by moral outrage. I think there is a kind of pure moral outrage that is part of any good heart. A mother, for example, feels it when a bully picks on her child - and she feels it maybe even more strongly when her kid bullies another child. But there's another kind of moral outrage that is tinged with superiority, a desire for revenge, and other dark things.

I think Dr. King learned something about this that we all need to learn. Echoing Jesus' words about living and dying by the sword, and also Jesus' words about taking the splinter out of our own eyes, he said we can't defeat violence with violence, hate with hate, dishonesty with dishonesty. I find that if I feel moral outrage, I need to then turn it into moral self-scrutiny and work on the issues that arise in me first. Then, when I turn toward the issue, I will be operating from more of a place of humility that makes me more guidable by the Spirit.

(4) Jesus was labeled as one who "has a demon" and a "drunkard," but never "hateful", "self-righteous," or "ignorant"? Are such terms a red flag that one has misstepped or are they signs one is on the right track (being "persecuted for the sake of righteousness")?

That's a fascinating observation, one I hadn't noticed before. As a follower of Jesus, I would rather be criticized for being a friend of sinners, as Jesus was, then a persecutor and accuser of sinners, as Jesus never was.

(5) It seems many Christians do not have relationships with those they call out in the public square. Should we seek to influence those we refuse to associate with?

Ironically, if we refuse to have a relationship with our opponents, we almost guarantee we will not influence them. We might coerce them. We might undermine them. We might defeat them. But we won't influence them. And since Jesus teaches us to love our opponents and do for them what we would want done for us, and since I would think we would much rather be influenced than be undermined, defeated, or coerced, it makes sense that trying to build relationships would be a good start.

I know from experience that this is hard work, and often meets with rejection, even insult. But even the act of seeking civil interaction - which usually must be pursued in private so as to avoid grandstanding, and so on - we are changed, softened, and humbled, which changes the spirit in which we seek change.

(6) What virtues are most important when choosing what we say about moral issues in the public square?

-- For me, we couldn't do much better than to saturate ourselves in the Sermon on the Mount. The beatitudes, for example, set our moral compass to a different north than the typical gamesmanship of political discourse. Jesus' warnings against insult, judging, and even anger are game-changing. And underneath it all is the reminder that we are bound to our neighbor and enemy, so we must love them as ourselves, seeking not the binary of defeat/victory - but reconciliation and the common good.

Something else we learn from Jesus in general is something I'm not very good at: being pithy and brief and unforgettable. What is true of prayer is true of public discourse: we will not be heard for our "much speaking."

I met you briefly 4 years ago, but would like to repeat that the work you have done has been very important to me personally. Many thanks for your faithfulness and courage!

That's encouraging to know. Thanks for your insightful questions.


Publix grocers - why not join the Campaign for Fair Food?

I'm an enthusiastic supporter of the Coalition for Immokalee Workers ... and if you eat tomatoes, you should know about their important work. You can learn more here about the campaign for fair food - and the upcoming march that starts tomorrow in Ft. Myers, Florida. I'm planning to be there for the beginning of the march, and I know that several of my friends - including Shane Claiborne - will be joining in later, culminating in a major protest event on March 17. We are connected by the food we eat to those who plant the seeds, work the land, harvest the crops, transport the produce, and sell the groceries ... so we have a duty to seek justice for our neighbors who work at each stage of the process.


Q & R: What about Bahai?

Here's the Q:

In anticipation of your presentation [later this year], I've read "A New Kind of Christianity". I really liked it a lot! However, I came to this topic from an unusual perspective, i.e., I'm a member of the Baha'i Faith (The newest member, we think, of the Abrahamic family.) In particular, the lovely eschatology you describe in The Future Question can be deduced from our Sacred Writings (of The Bab, Baha'u'llah and Abdul'-Baha). So, while we are vanishingly small in global membership (about 6M) at this time, we are confident that God's flow of grace will transform all humankind and our planetary home into a place of peace, prosperity, beauty, and Global Unity.

I look forward to your presentation. I hope you enjoy your visit to [our area]. Since you will probably have your hands full talking to the 250+ professional clergy, I doubt that I'll be able to tell you more about the Faith. (We have a significant presence on the WEB: www.bahai.us)

Here's the R:
Thanks for your note. I've been distantly acquainted with the Baha'i Faith since I was in high school and college and had some Baha'i friends. More recently, I've been inspired by the courage of Bahai leaders in Iran who have courageously stood up to religious persecution (and I've been broken-hearted to see how that persecution continues). Since my new book came out - Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? - I've heard from quite a few Bahai folks with encouraging words. So it's great to hear from you.

My understanding is that Baha'i arose in 19th Century Persia to address constructively the problem of hostile religious identity. That problem was largely unacknowledged in the rest of the world, which was still in the grip of colonial-era cultural and religious supremacy. Baha'ullah was, in that sense, profoundly "ahead of his time" - and now the rest of the world is finally catching up. In that sense, the relatively small size of the Bahai movement is not an indicator of lack of relevance or importance at all.

Today, I think people are responding to the problem of hostile religious identity in one of four ways:

1. By becoming secular or nonreligious as a way of avoiding hostile religious identity.
2. By joining religious communities - like Bahai - that have from the start highlighted the formation of benevolent religious identity.
3. By seeking to reform and renew their existing religious traditions in the direction of strength and benevolence.
4. By doubling down on religious hostility, often in rivalry with others like them, thus becoming mirrors of one another.

I'm pursuing option 3 as a Christian and you're pursuing option 2. Growing numbers in younger generations are choosing option 1. Our common future depends on all of us providing alternatives that are more attractive and wise than option 4.

I've been reading Ewert H. Cousins' "Christ of the 21st Century" (Continuum, 1998) lately, and it strikes me that the "Second Axial Age" he describes has many similarities to the planetary vision of the Bahai faith - and to my own understanding of Jesus' message of the Kingdom/Commonwealth/Reign/Ecosystem of God. Let me include a lengthy quote from Cousins that I think expresses a perspective that growing numbers of us - Bahai, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, atheist, agnostic - would share:

Since prehistoric times, religion has played a formative role in human society. It shaped the burial customs of primitive tribes and inspired their art on the walls of caves. As nations and empires emerged, religion provided a cosmic vision for social and political institutions. Throughout history, religion has been a wellspring of cultural creativity. Much of the great art of the world ... has been religious in inspiration and function. Religion has preached justice, brotherhood, and universal peace. It has defused hatred, deflected aggression, and humanized society, disciplining conduct and evoking noble actions through lofty ideals. Yet religion has a dark side. It has launched wars and persecutions, has justified slavery, discrimination, and oppression, and has blocked the advance of knowledge. It has been used, both consciously and unconsciously, as a tool for social, political, and economic exploitation. Throughout its long history, religion has revealed its paradoxical nature. At its best, it is a most creative force in a culture; at its worst, it can be distorted to destroy the very ideals it espouses. (p. 1)

Thanks again for writing. I look forward to meeting you later this year.


Q & R: I want to be a pastor. Am I crazy?

Here's the Q:

We’ve connected a few times in mmm at ccc College and fff Seminary, and we’ve had a few brief email conversations over the past number of years.... At the Wild Goose festival in 2012 I met vvv and had a good conversation with him. He asked me about myself and I said a few things and he immediately said “you want to be a pastor.” It kind of shocked me--both because few others (if any) were telling me that, and because I knew it was true. He told me I needed a spiritual director. I told him I didn’t have anyone in my area who I really trusted, but I told him I trusted you. He told me I should contact you. I said that was crazy. He said you might say no but that I should contact you anyway. That was a year and a half ago.

I’m finally contacting you because I do trust you, and I need some advice. I have been passionate about church, and in particular the future of the church, for 15 years now. The problem is I’ve been in conservative circles where I have received little encouragement to really pursue these passions (I also got married, started a family, got a career, etc). ...The fellow I met at Wild Goose was right--I want to be a pastor. I want to be thinking, and more importantly, I want to be doing these things on a daily basis. Do you have any advice? I have a Master of Theological Studies degree from xyz. I’ve been working at a Christian college ... I'm in my early thirties. I want to work in the church. Am I crazy? Do you have any advice?

I certainly understand if you can’t respond, but I hope you do. Thanks for all that you’ve already given to me.

Here's the R:
Of course you're crazy! But this could be a good kind of crazy ... and since I spent 24 years as a church planter and pastor, I'm obviously similarly afflicted.

The truth is that we need thousands of crazy people willing to invest their faith, hope, and love in the formation of new faith communities and the revitalization and strengthening of existing ones, people like you.

This is a huge subject and I can't do it justice here. But I would like to suggest some of the key questions I think you need to answer.

1. New or Existing? If you want to work in an existing church, you need to be realistic about the costs and benefits. The same goes for starting something new.

Assuming you want to start something new ...

2. Denominational or Non? I started a nondenominational church, but if I were doing it again today, I would seriously consider linking up with a progressive denomination. There are, of course, costs and benefits on both sides here as well.

3. What are your motivations and strengths? And what are your concerns and weaknesses? It's way better to be aware of both categories as you begin. Among other things, you'll have a better idea what kind of team you need to bring around you to help you.

4. What's the financial plan? Full-time or Bi-vocational? I think that most sustainable churches will need full-time staff at some point (although in some ways I wish that weren't true). But many of the new churches we need will themselves need some time to develop without the financial pressure of a salary to pay. Can you envision a sustainable (for a few years at least) way of life - balancing time, intelligence, money, and energy resources - that would allow you to start something without needing a lot of money? Money too often becomes the tail that wags the dog.

5. What four or five churches would you like to use as models? We need new church developers who will innovate, but nobody innovates blind.

6. Where can you find a circle of friends to link up with? That might come in a denomination, or in a network like Transform.

7. Where can you find coaching and spiritual direction? That is, as you already know, one of the most important questions of all.

I am deep in a commitment to finish my next book by September. But after that, I plan to get some breathing room and one of the things I want to find a way to do is provide some time and availability to emerging leaders like you. Let's stay in touch on this. In the mean time, nurture your dream and gift ... and know you're in my prayers.


Q & R: What about half a billion Spanish-speaking people?

Here's the Q:

Hello. My name is xyz, currently living in Spain and going on a missional work to Mexico city next month. I´ve read about 7 Brian Mclaren´s books, which completely changed my life, the way I see things, in diferent types of paradigms. So I can understand English very well, but please, PLEASE, is there any possible way Brian could translate all of his books to Spanish? I´ve seen there already about three translations, but, PLEASE, tell Brian to have mercy on the like half billion spanish speaking people who would like to engage in conversation with their fellow post-modern christian from English speaking countries.
Is it so hard to do?
I could thanslate them all for him IF I only knew where to go.

But it does not have to be so hard, doesn´t Brian have any contacts with like Rene Padilla and many other spanish speaking and well respected authors who speak English and had even attended college in the USA, UK, etc.
PLEASE BRIAN, put some pressure on some people to help translate all your work. Latin America needs to engage a lot more in the emerging church movemente around the world.

Here's the R:
Thanks for writing. I wish all my books were available in Spanish, and I hope they will be. Here's how the process normally works. Someone writes a book in one language, which is released by Publisher A. Publisher B in another language decides that the book would be a good investment so approaches Publisher A. They make a deal, and Publisher B hires a translator for the project. The author is (sometimes) notified that the book now has been released in another language.

If you know of some publishers who you think would be interested in my work, I hope you'll approach them - and maybe offer your services as a potential translator too. I would be grateful. The truth is that my own thinking has been deeply influenced by Spanish and Portuguese writers - like Rene Padilla, Leonardo Boff, Jon Sobrino, and many others. I would be honored to contribute to the Latino conversation in any ways I can.

Two of my books are currently available in Spanish (that I know of) ...
Mas Preparado de Lo Que Piensas
El Mensaje Secreto de Jesus
Please let me know over on my facebook page if there are more. Thanks!


Need some help ...

I recently heard that John Hagee's magazine The Torch included a lengthy article about me. Would anyone have a copy of the article they could scan and send me? Thanks!


Today and tomorrow, I'll be in Memphis, TN

More info here:
I hope to see you there if you're in the area!


The USA is #1 ...

Common Dreams reports:

We’re #1! In locking our citizens up; in obesity; in energy use per person; in small arms exports; in per capita health expenditures; in student loan debt.

We’re #1! In oil consumption; in gun ownership; in breast augmentation; in death by violence; in anxiety disorders.

We’re #1! In military spending, spending more than the next twenty largest military spenders combined.


Q & R: Panhandlers?

Here's the Q:

This is from yyy. Many years ago I attended Cedar Ridge while you were pastor.

I host occasional "salons" where people have the floor for a spell to talk about a subject.

I would like to have one on the topic of responses to homelessness.

I have always had jobs that related to economic and social justice. And outside of my paid employment I have frequently volunteered with organizations that address homelessness in one form or another. For several years I was president of an awesome clinic that provided free legal services to people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness. I support homeless organizations with my money.

But, I am afraid that I don't have a consistent or humane response when confronted with homelessness--and specifically, panhandling--when it is right in front of me (and because I work in a city, it is often right in front of me).

As I started to explore this, I wondered if you had written on this. And if so, what that writing was.

I think I have hesitated to explore this further because I'll have to face the inadequacy of my response. But I still have time to change.

I hope that you and your family are doing well. I enjoy seeing your blog posts via facebook and reading of your travels. What an interesting path for the English teacher turned pastor, eh?

Here's the R:
Great to hear from you! It turns out this question comes up here on the site from time to time. I wrote a bit about it a while back ...

I especially struggle with this when I'm in certain parts of the world where most of the people asking for money are children. I remember once being with a group of westerners in Africa, and one of us gave a child a half-finished bottle of water. Soon, the child was mobbed with other kids trying to take the bottle away. We realized by giving this child something, we made her life a lot harder in relation to her peers, without much return. So in the long run, dealing with the systemic issues -as you have been doing for your whole career - is especially important.

But that doesn't make the decision "on the sidewalk" any easier.


Q & R: Who is Jesus Christ to Brian McClaren (sic)

Here's the Q:

i highlighted three quotes from A Generous Orthodoxy on my blog today, hoping to generate some discussion surrounding rejecting the notion we've 'got it' but rather continuing to seek and search for a new and better way of living, loving and thinking.

first comment from a reader was ::

'I have some thoughts, however I've never read much, if any McLaren. So, you can help me frame things correctly here by answering some questions. Here goes . . . Who is Jesus Christ to Brian McClaren? What does Brian see as being the nature of our relationship to Him?'

would you mind responding to this, either via email or on your blog?

Here's the R:
First, thanks for using the quotes from A Generous Orthodoxy. I remember working on that book in my basement late at night nearly ten years ago, and it's encouraging to see how it still is having an effect.

The best places to get an answer to these questions would be:
Secret Message of Jesus
or, if they don't want to read a whole book, the first few chapters of
A Generous Orthodoxy.



I've been dealing with one or more persistent fake-me's recently, setting up Facebook accounts with my name, photographs, etc., and then soliciting friends, offering prayer, and then requesting "love gifts." On top of that (not sure if these are related), I recently received this:

(Letter to the President or Brand Owner, thanks)

Dear President,

We are the department of Asian Domain Registration Service in China. I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on January 30, 2013 that a company which self-styled "??? Global Limited" were applying to register "brianmclaren" as their Brand Name and some domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we will finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we will handle this issue better. Out of the time limit we will unconditionally finish the registration for "??? Global Limited".Looking forward to your prompt reply.

Best Regards,

Suspecting this was another scam intended to make some fast cash, I then asked them how much it would cost for me to have them register these names for me rather than "Global Limited" - and here's their reply:

Dear Brian McLaren, Thanks for your reply. Following is the procedure, you can do as follows, 1. We will send the dispute application form to you. 2. Please fill out the form and return it via email or fax. 3. We will dispute these domains for your company, In the meantime, we will send the Invoice signed & stamped to you. 4. Please remit the payment to us according to the bank information on the Invoice and send the payment proof to us. 5. We will register the domain names for you within 2 workdays after receiving the remittance. 6. You will be awarded the certificates of Brand Name after 5 workdays. Following is price list, for your reference: brianmclaren.asia 35USD/Per Year brianmclaren.cn 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.hk 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.in 35USD/Per Year brianmclaren.tw 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.co.in 35USD/Per Year brianmclaren.com.cn 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.net.cn 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.org.cn 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.com.hk 65USD/Per Year brianmclaren.com.tw 65USD/Per Year Brand Name: brianmclaren 200USD/Per Year Time is limited! If you decide to register those domain names, please let us know in order to transfer the Application Form to you. Any question, please contact us in time. Thanks for your cooperation. Best Regards,

Who knows how many of these sites will emerge in the coming months pretending to be mine? For the record, I have one website, one Facebook page, and one Twitter account, and I'll let you know if that changes - here at www.brianmclaren.net/


I don't often get to Oklahoma ...

... nor do I often get to work with master-song-writer/singer Carrie Newcomer. But I'll get to do both April 19-20. Info here.


Links Roundup

I recently mentioned several friends who have entered the important conversation on the doctrine of hell. Another good contribution - Heath Bradley's Flames of Love.

Wes Granberg-Michaelson offers wise insight on the selection of the next pope:

And equally incisive insight on what the next pope will face, from Tony Bartlett, here:

And here's an interesting piece on Catholicism in America:

And here's a great YES Magazine story about community development in Buffalo, NY:

My friend Jarrod McKenna is videoblogging about Lent. Good reflections, here: http://vimeo.com/59468548

Speaking of Lent (and Passion Week upcoming), thousands of preachers will be planning sermons on the crucifixion in the coming weeks. Many will focus on penal substitutionary atonement theory, because it's the only way they've been taught, as they interpret the crucifixion. Scot McKnight does a wonderful job of showing that there is not only one way to interpret the crucifixion in this carefully argued article:
Here's a helpful and relevant resource from Mark Baker and others (I contributed too):


Interview on my new book ...

At Religion Dispatches:
The comments are interesting reading as well!


Q & R: Church Buildings, Yes or No?

Here's the Q:

I am a pastor who has been blessed by your writings and by hearing you speak on several occasions. Thank you so much for your ministry and for challenging the Church in this rapidly changing world we find ourselves in!

I pastor a [young] church plant that has been mobile since its early days. We are currently in our third location for worship gatherings - which is a gym that we only rent for 4 hours on Sunday mornings. Small groups, meetings and missional engagements are done in homes or other locations in the community. I am struggling with a growing number of congregants who believe we need to move towards obtaining a building "to have a place we can call our own." From a purely rational and financial standpoint, this wouldn't seem like a good move. In our 50/60 member congregation, a small handful of families are essentially helping the church "break even" with our finances. Aside from our worship gathering, we have only 2 or 3 active small groups (currently meeting in homes twice a month) and 1 board meeting a month. With that in mind, it would seem like a waste to pay for a building with our current schedule and meeting times.

From a purely missiological perspective, looking towards a church building appears completely unnecessary in this day and age, even though I submit that a building could be used as an outreach to the community.

Knowing that you pastored a church that was mobile for 15 years, I was wondering if you could offer any encouragement, advice or resources that might help us move away from a "building mentality."

Here's the R:
I think our congregation went a total of 17 years without a facility, and early on, we said that we never would own one. About 12 years into the process, though, I remember feeling that we had reached a tipping point: the energy needed to set up and take down every Sunday in a rented school was becoming a real problem. We either needed to change the way we were doing church or we needed to get more permanent facilities through purchase or lease.

Early on, one of my mentors taught me a little acronym about getting work done: TIME = time, intelligence, money, and energy. If you want to save energy, it will take more time, intelligence, and money. If you want to save money, it will take more time, intelligence, and energy, and so on. In those terms, to save the time and energy of setting up and taking down, we were willing to spend more money (and hopefully, engage more intelligence) in acquiring our own facility.

I think that was a good decision for us at the time. Human beings have bodies, and bodies need facilities, and facilities cost money, and money is often available if we will put in the time, intelligence, and energy to procure it. The purpose of making and forming disciples of Jesus Christ is no less important than selling pizza, caring for the sick, providing exercise equipment, or showing movies - purposes for which buildings are often constructed and maintained.

If I were planting a church today, I would consider all available options, just as we did back then:
1. Is there another church in the area that would be willing to explore renting, leasing, selling, or co-owning a facility with us? With so many churches being under-utilized, this option deserves more attention than it normally gets. Of course there are problems associated with it, but that's true of every option.

2. Could we find an arrangement where we could store our gear on site instead of having to store it in a truck and transport it every week? (I think we actually had utilized this option at a college for a while - we built a storage shed on the college's property, which became theirs after we left.)

3. Should we find another way of "doing church?" For us, the combination of "big worship" space and kids' programs was unsustainable in rented facilities after 17 years. Could/should we consider finding another way to do worship other than as a big and complex gathering? Could/should we find another way of doing kids' ministry other than in traditional classrooms? Could we combine frequent interactions online, in homes, in restaurants, and in other public places with less frequent gatherings in rented facilities?

I sometimes say that if I were planting a church today, I might focus on quarterly weekend retreats and annual weeks of mission or pilgrimage over weekly meetings. I think there is a balance in spiritual formation between intense experiences (like retreats, mission trips, and pilgrimages) and regular experiences (like weekly meetings), and that we often prioritize the latter, when the former has more power. But that decision - to build the congregation around something other than weekly, in-person gatherings - might mean the congregation wouldn't be able to afford, not just a building, but a full-time pastor ... which raises a whole new set of issues.

All this highlights the deeper issue: what really is our goal in planting a church?

The truth is that many of us plant churches not primarily because we are interested in forming missional communities of missional disciples, but rather because we feel obligated to do something on Sundays, and we can't survive with the available options. There's nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but it should at least be acknowledged.

In the end, we decided on a fourth option:
4. Can we build a facility that, over the long haul, is worth the money and energy invested in it? Can we make it beautiful, functional, energy-efficient, and flexible enough to serve our faith community and the surrounding community over a long period of time under changing circumstances?

That decision was a good one for us in the mid-90's, I think. Of course, I've been gone from that beautiful congregation seven years now and I imagine the facilities question has been raised again since then (as it should be).

I should add that church planters and their teams probably need to think more about sustainability than they often do. That's another place where the TIME formula comes into play. Sometimes church planters want to save money (or to avoid having to raise money), so they put in so much time and energy that they fall apart in other areas - emotional exhaustion, family breakdown, etc. Those are excessive costs. It's often very expensive (in terms of time, intelligence, and energy) to be cheap (in terms of money).

All that's to say that I couldn't predict which option would be right for you, but I would encourage you not to be in a rush and not to be either conventional or unconventional as an ideological conviction. Instead, I'd encourage you to make the facilities question one for patient and sincere spiritual discernment. (If you need input on spiritual discernment, here's a good resource: http://listeninghearts.org)

One final thing: I thank God for you, and all church planters like you. We need thousands of new churches that will innovate and experiment and serve as the R & D department for Christian faith. Thanks for serving us all in this way. I'm thanking God for you and praying for you today, and I hope many others will join me.


More memories of Richard Twiss

(thanks Sunjay Smith!)


Q & R: Bible workshops

Here's the Q:

I am interested in the four weekend workshops that you are leading on the Bible. However I live in Melbourne, Australia and I am unable to travel to Dallas, Texas, USA, to attend any of the workshops. Would you be able to make your teaching and/or the workshop proceedings available on-line or in print form?

Here's the R:
The sessions will be recorded, but we're also working on the possibility of live-streaming them for remote participation. Stay tuned! BTW - I'm in Adelaide at the moment, enjoying your beautiful summer weather and awesome Aussie people. Got to visit Cleland Wildlife Park today ... enjoyed hanging out with 'roos, kookaburras, koalas, and perentis too.


Wisdom from Richard Twiss

(Thanks for this, Sunjay Smith!)


Q & R: Wiped off the face of the earth?

Here's the Q:

After learning what the radical Islamists were doing in Northern Mali, is it wrong for me to want them to be wiped off the face of the earth?

Here's the R: Thanks for your question. Your moral outrage is certainly justified. The question is what you do with moral outrage, and once your moral outrage is aroused, where it will lead you. Moral outrage can become quite intoxicating, leading to immoral action - what we might call "crimes of moral passion."

I can imagine a Native American, an African American, and an Australian Aboriginal asking, "After learning what Christian colonizers did in North America, Africa, Australia, and around the world, is it wrong for me to want them to be wiped off the face of the earth?"

I can imagine a Palestinian asking, "After learning what Israelis have done to my people, supported by Europeans and Americans, is it wrong for me to want them to be wiped off the face of the earth?" I can imagine an Israeli asking, "After learning what the Palestinians have done to my people, is it wrong for me to want them to be wiped off the face of the earth?" And I can imagine Jewish people asking, "After learning what Christians did to Jews for over a thousand years, is it wrong for me to want them to be wiped off the face of the earth?"

These feelings of outrage are certainly understandable. Even the desire for revenge, although illogical and ultimately self-destructive, is understandable. But there's a problem: the desire ("is it wrong for me to want"), once aroused, will lead one to a line of behavior that is dangerous and wrong. Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount, teaches his disciples to deal with evil on the level of desire (don't murder ----> don't speak derisively ----> don't hate; don't commit adultery ----> don't cultivate lustful thoughts, etc.)

So here's my suggestion. Instead of wishing for revenge or destruction, turn the offenses and atrocities of others into a stimulus for prayer, along these lines:

God, who loves all humanity as beloved children, may your holy name be revered and honored. May your kingdom of peace and restorative justice come, and may your will be done on this troubled and conflicted earth as it is in heaven. Give us all enough to eat today, and help us be caught up - not in the endless vicious cycles of offense-revenge-counter-revenge, but in the healing cycle of forgiveness and reconciliation. Lead us away from the catastrophes of violence; liberate us from all this evil.

I'd recommend trading the question "Is it wrong..." for the question "Is it Christlike?" The way of Jesus takes us beyond the dualism of right and wrong, and introduces us to a new way of thinking, centered in love, healing, justice, peace, and reconciliation. This is how "the kingdom of God" surpasses "the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees." I hope that helps!


An amazing new technological breakthrough -

It is an honor to be associated with this amazing form of information transfer, imagination inspiration, and global consciousness-raising!


friends in dc ...

i'm in australia this week, but if i were in dc, or anywhere close by, i'd be with the good people of sojourners (and thousands more) here:

Join Sojourners at the "Forward on Climate Rally" in Washington, D.C. to tell President Obama we oppose the Keystone XL pipeline!

On Sunday, February 17, we will gather at 11:30 a.m. on the gravel path outside the Hirshhorn Sculpture Garden. After prayer and reflection, we will join the main rally–with thousands of people from across the country–on the National Mall.

If the pipeline is approved, it would clear the way for a devastating amount of new carbon pollution to be released into the atmosphere. As people of faith, we need to stand against this corruption of our environment–God’s creation–that impacts the “least of these” first. Together, we will form a united religious voice for justice at the largest climate rally in history.

Be sure to bring your own signs and banners making it clear that you and your worshiping community understand the call to protect creation.

For updates, stay tuned to Sojourners' Facebook and Twitter. For more information on the Forward on Climate Rally, click here.

Let’s show fellow rally-goers, President Obama, and our political leaders that people of faith support climate policy and want to stop the Keystone XL pipeline!

Feb. 17, 2013 | Washington, D.C. | 11:30 a.m.
Hirshhorn Sculpture Garden between 7th and 9th St. SW
(Look for the orange Sojourners banner)


A ten-minute interview on "the sweet spot" of calling ...

You can listen here:
More here:


Worship Songs ...

I'm grateful for folks who are exploring new, deeper, and better territory ... even if it takes more than five minutes! Here are just a few of them:
Aaron Niequist
Bryan McFarland
Ana Hernandez
Fran McKendree
Tracy Howe Wispelwey


A reader writes: Staying sane in Northern Ireland

I'm sure you receive lots of messages. I guess for me...this is therapy! To be able to articulate the best I can what is happening to me for the last few years I honestly don't know who I am or what has been/and is happening to me! Don't get me wrong...I love Jesus...but after studying theology and growing up in Northern Ireland Protestantism I knew stepping into ministry as a woman would mean hits here in NI...but that was nothing until my 'Christian capsule' began to crack...in fact, it smashed to pieces! In ministry I started to ask all the questions you faced and shared in your books (they have been a life saver to me)...I felt I 'didnt fit' in church. To cut a long story short...a couple of years ago I stepped out of my ministry post and planted a church...a church for folks who feel they 'don't fit'...a place for people like me. I even hate calling it a church....what the heck does that even mean anyway? I dont think anything could of prepared me for what was to lie ahead...a journey of unlearning...from all the teachings etc of the Christianity in Northern Ireland that if I'm honest sickens me to the stomach. Brian, even when I go into churches I feel ill in the pit of my stomach. A few of us have planted ... a community of people who want to truly seek what it means to follow Jesus and to simply be Jesus in our community. Can I just say...it is a very lonely place! I feel very alone...Christians don't get me/us! So either we have got this all wrong or we are gonna burn in hell! Northern Ireland is about 20years behind re thinking than the UK/USA..and we feel we have arrived early...if that makes sense! Heaven forbid that we should say that we think we have the answers...God have mercy on our arrogance..the thing is we are still unlearning...and yet have no idea now...what does it look like now to follow Jesus?? If I was to voice that here in NI..we would be crucified, accused of all sorts of things...we already are! .Brian, I guess the reason I write this email to you is to first of all thank you for your writings...they keep me sane! You have mentored this Irish chick without having even met me! So thank you. Also, thank you for reading my email...as I said at the beginning...should you never reply...I understand..but for me...this has been therapy! If you're ever in Ireland maybe someday we can grab a coffee! Lol. ...The thing is...there are now about 20 of us...who feel this way...so God is certainly up to something!
Thanks for this note. So many people around the world are feeling this way, and thank God for the ones like you who decide to do something constructive and positive by simply trying to live it, in community, seeking the common good with your neighbors. (BTW - I hope my next book will be helpful for you!)

More on Richard Twiss


Tony Jones offers a tribute here:

And the Red Letter Christians here:

If you knew Richard, or feel a generous impulse, now would be a great time to send some support to Richard's family, here: http://www.wiconi.com/?cid=1229


A good man has walked among us ...

More information here.
We will miss you, Richard Twiss, Taoyate Obnajin. We will not forget you. We will carry on your work. We will be there for your family. We will tell stories of our times with you ... times full of laughter, learning, and real life. We will not be the same because of the blessing of your friendship, and we will carry a scar in our deepest hearts for the loss of your presence and good cheer. Thank you for all you have meant to us ... and all the ways your good life will continue to bear fruit in us. We thank God for you, Richard. We will rejoice with you again - dancing, drumming, singing, feasting, and laughing at the great reunion in the spacious tent of our Creator.


Please join me and thousands of others ...

in prayer for Richard Twiss, a friend and colleague who suffered a severe heart attack this week. You'll find updates here:

Here's a brief story about an experience Richard and I shared some years ago:


Readers of this blog rock ...

I asked for recommendations for a good novel to read in my upcoming trans-Pacific flight, and I received over 150 suggestions. Thanks everyone. If you want to know what fiction your blog-companions recommended, check it out here:


A reader writes: resonance

Last fall I was introduced to your writings by an Episcopalian priest friend of mine. I am a Roman Catholic lay woman, a spiritual director with eighteen years in retreat ministry. I have been writing a book about an endeavor I'm attempting to establish ... and my friend thought a lot of what I'm writing about is reflected in much of your work.

Since September I have read eight of your books, and she is absolutely right! Thank you for being another Christian voice calling us back to what Jesus was actually saying in the Gospels, as well as for so many of your insights concerning economics, relationships with "the other," and - of course - the institutional Church, which by the way, I call Church, Inc.

Lent's not even here yet, but I'm already counting the days until the Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday of Holy Week and your presentations at St. Paul Church in Richmond.

Thanks for your kind words. I look forward to meeting you in Richmond, and I'm glad to know we're discovering similar insights.


A reader writes: Sexual Sanity

A reader writes ...

Just want to follow up on your blogger's comment who asked about book/s that regard a theology of sexuality. I agree, think it is timely and needs to be addressed, too. As I am a regular blog reader and follower of your writing/thinking; I have increasingly wondered as the dialogue about LGBT issues continue to occupy blog spots, people's time & imagination, and rile the evangelical ranks- what about our collective sexual obsessions? It is kind of a "mote" in the straight eye, isn't it?

You have written a little about this too. I suppose this is all very "touchy" thing, but it seems to me that both our promiscuous culture at large and our repressed religious culture need to be called out for responsibility for sexual illness.

{I do not have issues with the LGBT community (at all) but} I do not want a culture focused on gay lifestyles... but wait ... I do not want a culture focused on heteroSEXUAL lifestyles.
The portrayal of (insert type here) sex in our world seems SO out of balance. That is why the topic is timely in my mind.

Sex is treated as a commodity in monogamous, "hetero", non-premarital, Christian marriages just as the culture at large because we do not have a theology of proper attitudes about sex; not laws, dos and don'ts ; but loving, God-centered sexual balance.

I married later, at 40. As an attractive, single woman I experienced all kinds of ill effects (to my mind & soul) from my generation (late 1970's) to the morays of my evangelical upbringing. Our culture was wrong and the church was wrong.

My relationship with my husband has been better than I could have guessed. Monogamy is awesome but deep love and acceptance (and self acceptance) is the real deal. Sex is a by-product of that heart, but just a small part of it. Quantity of sex is overrated.We are sexual beings whether we have one partner, many, or never have sex- whether we have sex once or 100's of times; we still express sexuality just by being.

So the bottom line of my comment is to whomever is writing and thinking about a theology of sexuality- culture needs this as well as the church: practicality; form over function; quality over quantity. Please educate the next generations in discretion and sacredness. I'm weary of hearing about people's sex lives. I'd like to know that you experienced joy, I do not need the details. There is a place for educating about the erroneous ideas of our past (religion, patriarchy, sexism) and our present (sex obsessed culture); but there is more. My son's generation needs to know the concept of sexual balance, instead of sexual currency.

Well said. Thanks.


Just one open-to-the-public event

while I'm in Adelaide, Australia, next week ...


Should Civil Disobedience be considered a spiritual practice, part of Christian formation?

See what you think after reading John Dear's recent post at Red Letter Christians:


Q & R: Help on Biblical Violence

Here's the Q:

I bet you get tons of emails, and I've never written one like this before to someone I don't know at all, but here goes... I'm a Christian and an intellectual/kind-of philosopher from Texas. About 7 years ago I had a really intense experience and was fully convinced I was losing my faith, that my brain simply was not capable of believing in the God of Christianity. I was at a fundamentalist five-point calvinist church, which has now become one of the most influential missional churches in the US. I have always been a thinker and at times a questioner and critic and after about a year or so of serving at that church and being revered as a "prophet", I guess for my biblical passion and knowledge, I started asking some tough questions. This did not go over well... Long story. I'm sure you've heard many similar ones.

Anyway I've recovered and maintained faith in Jesus and involvement in ministry though it has become quite messy! I spent about a year just reading the Gospels and nothing else. I just couldn't stomach the Old Testament violence or much of the New Testament epistles. I'm thankful for this shift in my faith and relationship with God, and I am thankful for the beauty of the mystery of God. Still, 7 years later, there is so much I just can't reconcile that I find in the Biblical Narrative. I appreciate your writing so much, but was wondering if you could direct me to some of the theologians and scholars that have been helpful to you on your journey. I am familiar of course with NT Wright, his book Surprised by Hope has been great. I am also familiar with Stanley Grenz and "Beyond Foundationalism." Currently I am really struggling with the Old Testament Violence more than anything else. Any books or thinkers you could recommend would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Here's the R:
That's a huge question and one that deserves a lot of thought on my part. I read constantly and it's hard to stop a list once I start it. But here are some thoughts.

First - my new book, Why Did Jesus, Moses, etc., references Derek Flood. Derek is doing important work in this area. His first book is "Healing the Gospel" - and there will be more good ones to follow, I'm sure.

Second, I'd urge you to explore the work of Rene Girard. It's like going through Lewis' wardrobe - you'll enter a new world, a new way of seeing. You can start with this website:
Then explore the work of James Alison, Michael Hardin, Anthony Bartlett, and keep your eyes open for a new book by James Warren - Compassion or Apocalypse, that is a great introduction. More here: http://www.christian-alternative.com/books/compassion-apocalypse
Also, explore the work of Suzanne Ross, Adam Erickson, and the Raven Foundation.

And as for a general approach to reading the Scriptures, I'd recommend Walter Brueggemann. He opens up the text as a conversation, argument, and exploration ... which helps us "disarm the nuclear bombs" present there.


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Q & R: What Are You Reading Right Now?

Here's the Q:
What are you reading right now?
Here's the R:
I'm constantly reading unpublished manuscripts of new and emerging authors. (BTW - I'm sorry to say that I can't accept any more manuscripts this year due to all my other commitments.) Rather than comment on any of them now, I'll wait until they're published.

I just finished Occupy Religion: Theology of the Multitude by Joerg Rieger and Kwok Pui-lan. This is a truly worthwhile and important read, especially for those of us who have been involved with - or interested in - the Occupy movement. (It's the third book by Joerg Rieger I've read in the last year or so, along with Christ & Empire and No Rising Tide.)

And just before that, I finished re-reading Anthony Bartlett's Virtually Christian, which explores the intersection of the work of Rene Girard with the Christian message. It's a rewarding read and especially valuable for the growing number of people who are discovering Girard's work.

I've just started Peter Block's Community: The Structure of Belonging.

I've got a long plane flight coming up (Australia) and hope to choose a good novel for the trip. I'm open to suggestions over on my facebook page ... (the real one, not one of the fake ones).


I'll be in Santa Fe this weekend ...

then home for a few days, and then off to Australia. In every spare minute, I'm working on my next book ... for release summer 2014. Stay tuned for details.


Legendary Bookseller

Along with yesterday's big announcement ...
Authors in the world of Christian publishing know about Hearts and Minds Books. This Pennsylvania bookstore (with an online arm) is in a class of its own ... as is its owner, Byron Borger. I'm honored that Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road made Byron's list of best books of 2012.

It was also great to see the book reviewed in the Christian Science Sentinel - here.


Hell. Yes?

I remember when I first began to feel that I would have to do some writing on the subject of hell. "Please, Lord, let someone else do this," I prayed. Eventually, though, it was clear that I should venture out and grapple with the subject in my book The Last Word and the Word After That.

Since then, several of my good friends have also jumped from the frying pan into the fire (so to speak) and dared to propose alternatives to the exclusivist doctrine of hell that many of us inherited - Sharon Baker with Razing Hell and Rob Bell with Love Wins, for example.

Last summer at Wild Goose West, I met Julie Ferwerda, who comes from the same conservative (non)denominational background as me. She shared with me how she felt she too had to grapple with this "hot topic" - and she kindly shared a copy of her new book with me. Julie's book will help people my book might not help - especially those who hold to a more traditional method of biblical interpretation. Where I tend to explore other ways of interpreting the Bible, Julie shows how even with traditional interpretive methods, the traditional view is highly contestable. If you're ready to venture out into some new territory, Bible in hand, you'll find a wise, patient, and intrepid guide in Julie Ferwerda in Raising Hell.


Book of the Year

Thanks to the Academy of Parish Clergy for honoring Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? with their award for Book of the Year. More info here.


An Australian reader writes: turning our church inside out

A reader writes ...

I just wanted to thank you for your book "Everything Must Change". I pastor a small church in Melbourne that has struggled with our identity and therefore have been tempted to concentrate on ourselves and our survival. While we've done well in recent years to turn ourselves inside out and focus more on our neighbourhood than ourselves, I sense God calling us to think bigger - and "Everything Must Change" has really helped me crystalise these ideas.


Animals, ethics, and faith

I had the privilege of contributing to this book on the relation between Christian faith and care for animals.
There's a helpful review here - http://www.jesusradicals.com/book-review-a-faith-embracing-all-creatures-addressing-commonly-asked-questions-about-christian-care-for-animals/


Q & R: Heterosexuality

Here's the Q:

I have searched your website for writings or references about sexuality which are not about the sin/ not sin or hetero / homo issues, but I have not found what I am hoping for.

Perhaps I have missed something? In Naked Spirituality you talk in passing about 'coming out' as sexual creatures, and parenthesised (and passed over) this comment : "it's interesting how intellectual and spiritual capacities seem to develop along with sexual ones". Your introduction to spirituality talks about an 'inner sensitivity to aliveness, meaning and sacredness in the universe', and integration (re-ligion?) of all our human experience. These suggest to me that you may have further thoughts about all the good things about sexuality and sex, not only all the difficult bits! Have you written more on sexuality or can you recommend the writings of someone who has?

...Recently my experiences in Psychotherapy, Alexander Technique lessons, and the possibilities that thinking and talking around the faith issues in your books have opened up, have enabled me to let down some mental, emotional and physical tensions/ barriers with the consequence that I have glimpsed beauty and depth and freedom in my human existence that I never knew were there. Perhaps this is the further (middle age) developing of 'intellectual and spiritual capacities ....along with sexual ones'? (Hooray!) I would like intelligent, wise help along this path - can you offer any direction? Thank you. When are you coming to the UK?

Here's the R:
Thanks for your note. On your last question - I was in the UK in December for a Greenbelt-organized book tour - I probably won't be back until 2014. On your larger question - I would very much like to read the book you're asking for. I agree with you - we need a good "theology of sexuality" that isn't preoccupied with controversial issues and that explores the goodness of human sexuality as part of creation. I don't know of that book - but maybe it exists and some folks will post ideas over on my Facebook page. (Be sure to find the real one - there have been some fake pages put up lately.)

There's a book called Unprotected Texts by Judith Kunst that you would find interesting - it traces the theme of sexuality through the Bible. But I think what you're looking for is more of a "systematic theology of human sexuality," and that book deserves to be written if it hasn't been already.


Facebook Trouble

I have a facebook account (which I encourage you to "like") - but someone else has set up a false account using my photograph, etc. He/she invites people to be "friends," then sends this ...

The Word of God says, "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God.
God want me to pray for some people through the internet and you are among this people. Send to me your prayer request. me and my church will pray for you and you will receive healing God Bless You . i want you to know that the lord is waiting to hear your prayer request. think of what is not working good in your life or your family and send it to me now and i will pray with you and you will see the hand work of God in your life and the life of your family.

If you respond, you'll then be "treated" to requests for money. So - I'd love you to "like" my actual page - which you'll find here:
And I'd appreciate it if you report to the appropriate gatekeepers fake versions of me that pop up on Facebook or elsewhere. Thanks - ain't technology grand?


A reader writes: Catholic, 71, emerging

A reader writes:

Thank you. I just finished reading your Book A Generous Orthodoxy. I enjoyed it very much. I highlighted a number of quotes from your book, which is always a sign that I am learning something new or someone has captured better than I have what I am thinking about concerning a topic.

I first heard about you when I read Phyllis Tickle’s book, Emergence Christianity: What it Is, Where it is Going, and Why it Matters. After reading both of your books, I guess I have been an emergent Christian without knowing there is a title for what I am.

... As I mentioned above, I highlighted a number of sentences and paragraphs in your book. I would just like to comment on a few of them.

page 45. You mention Romano Guardini and Gabriel Marcel. I have not seen references made to them for many years. I read several of both of their works 50 years ago. They helped shape some of my ideas about human beings, God, religion, and other aspects of reality. It was nice to be reminded of them.

page 114 “By poetry, I do not mean rhyme, rhythm, or meter, but language that moves like Bob Gibson’s fast ball, that jumps at the right moment…” First of all, that is a great sentence. It is poetic in itself. Second, I am a long time baseball fan. I saw Bob Gibson pitch. I have told my children as well as many other baseball fans who are friends that if I had to pick one pitcher to win a ball game for my team in the 7th game of the World Series, I would pick Bob Gibson.

page 225 “…the practices of humility, compassion, spirituality, and love – which develop only in community – are more essential to a good healthy theology, more primal and important than scholarship, logic, intellect. Without love the latter are nothing.” Intellect and rationality are great. They are a big help in many things. But love is the most important. Ms. Tickle wrote in her book that we are moving into the age of the Spirit. I certainly hope so. But I told her I hoped we were moving into the Age of Love. But maybe that will come in another 500 years or so.

I could go on commenting on a lot of other quotes in your book. But you know what you said and I learned quite a bit from what you said.

By the way, I have purchased Orthodoxy by Chesterton. Only $0.99 in Nook form. I read some of his work 50 years ago. I thought it would be interesting to reread this book in light of your book.

Again, thank you for writing such a thoughtful and thought-provoking book. Keep up your good work. I will be 71 in a few months.. People of all ages are hungry for a more positive and generous approach to religion and politics/public service which has been my area of work during my career.

Peace and Joy to you and your family.

Thanks for these encouraging words. I'm interested in hearing from Roman Catholics who feel as you do ... I believe that "emerging Catholics" have an important role to play in Emergence Christianity. I'm looking forward to learning more about you and your good work.


Q & R: Christian? Muslim? Other?

Here's the Q:

I have been following your works for several years now. I find that my understanding of Christianity and what it means to become a Christian has been thoroughly changed. In many ways it has been a liberating experience. But, I do have several questions that I'd like to ask of you.

First of all, let me tell a bit of my background so you would know where I'm coming from. I've been a Muslim for 21 years. And after that I became a Christian 15 years ago through an evangelical friend who shared with me. So my formative years as a Christian was influenced very much by conservative evangelicalism.

I live in [a country] where converts to Christianity from Islam face severe difficulties, to put it mildly. I have been discreetly trying to live out my faith as best as I could. I mean I don't practise the Islamic rituals any more ever since I converted since I cannot do it in good conscience. Besides, I don't believe in it anymore But I wasn't able to go to church publicly too due to the dangers it could cause to the congregation. So I'm very much an underground person here.

I still do interact with some Muslim friends, but I would never tell them about my conversion because it'll lead to violence. My parents knew about my conversion for years and they are accepting of it. Unfortunately all of my siblings have not accepted it. In fact it almost led to altercations since one of them stated as an 'apostate' I have no right to live and has made threats against me. As for my non-Muslims friends here, I would simply say this vague statement when asked about what I believe: I believe in God but not in religion.

I've read your writings on the importance of dialogues with Muslims. In many ways, I do agree with you. The thing is, I do wonder what is the role I can play in that, since most Muslims will consider me as a 'traitor' to my former beliefs. And I do tend sometimes take a hardline stance against Islam. However, looking at the big picture, I do agree with what you said about reaching out to the 'others', not just in the sense of trying to convert people. The thing is I don't know any more where I fit in the bigger picture. In the sense that having to remain discreet and yet hoping to play my part. So, what's your thoughts on that? I hope that I'm making sense with all my lengthy exposition.

I enjoyed your book 'A New Kind of Christianity' and I'm glad I've read it!

Here's the R:
You're asking a difficult and important question. It really is a question about religious identity - and that was the subject of my most recent book, Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? I would be very interested in how you respond to that book - which builds on 'A New Kind of Christianity'. Your complex religious identity means that you are in a position to have great empathy for others who don't feel they fit in normal categories. Your comment - I believe in God but not religion - describes the feeling of growing numbers of people around the world for reasons I explore in the book. On a pastoral level, I would encourage you to keep your eyes and heart open for people who extend to you the kind of unconditional love that makes you feel safe and accepted as a human being, regardless of religious label. They might be Muslim, they might be Christian, they might be "secular" or "spiritual but not religious" - but they know something, and I think they are good people to get to know and share your experiences together. And I would urge you to make it your goal to extend that kind of love and acceptance to everyone - so they recognize you as a safe person who values them as God's children, Jew or Gentile, bond or free, male or female (in the words of the apostle Paul).


A beautiful worship experience

I meant to post this yesterday - but it's great for a Monday too!

Do yourself a favor. Slow down. Watch it full screen.

Learn more about Aaron Niequist's creative liturgical work here and here.


Gruesome find

This news of an archeological find relating to ancient human sacrifice resonates with several themes from my most recent book, where I summarize some key insights from anthropologist Rene Girard and relate them to the problem of religious scapegoating and violence.


Q & R: Jesus, Harsh Words, and Violence

Here's the Q:

I have read several of your books and heard you speak in Greensboro NC last spring. I convinced my 23 year old son to go listen to you speak in Chicago last month, even though it required a 90 minute traversing of the city on a friday evening. Needless to say, I'm a fan. I love what you have to say in your books because it truly speaks to my heart, but I still come away with some question/concerns. I guess I always feel the need to be able to defend what I believe through scripture even though my heart seems to speak the loudest when it comes to my beliefs. In your recent book you write about Paul's quote and say that "the language of divine mercy and promise is retained." You also write about Jesus' "dehostilization" of Isaiah 61:1-2. I know that Jesus'overall message is one of love but he also uses some harsh words. It's hard for me to ignore (or make sense of) his words in The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant (18:34-35) or his warning in Luke 12:5 and 12:46. Not only do verses like these (and there are many more)make me question what I've come to believe~that our God loves all of his creation and will save us all~but it also makes me question the validity of scripture. I need your help. Any thoughts? Can you speak directly to those verses?

32Then his lord summoned him and said to him, “You wicked slave! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33Should you not have had mercy on your fellow-slave, as I had mercy on you?” 34And in anger his lord handed him over to be tortured until he should pay his entire debt. 35So my heavenly Father will also do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother or sister* from your heart.’

45But if that slave says to himself, “My master is delayed in coming”, and if he begins to beat the other slaves, men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in pieces,* and put him with the unfaithful. 47That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating.

4 ‘I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that can do nothing more. 5But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority* to cast into hell.* Yes, I tell you, fear him! 6Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten in God’s sight. 7But even the hairs of your head are all counted. Do not be afraid; you are of more value than many sparrows

Here's the R:

Continue reading Q & R: Jesus, Harsh Words, and Violence...


Fake Facebook Page

One or more people have created false Facebook pages with my name and photograph. I've been told that several other authors, pastors, etc., have experienced something similar. The pattern goes like this: people receive a "friend" request, ostensibly from me, and then they receive invitations to send "prayer requests," after which they receive a plea for funds. Sheesh. I only have one facebook page which is located here:
Sorry for any confusion! If you get such a request from a false page, please report it. Thanks!


Q & R: amazed at your reluctance

Here's the Q:

Brian, I am a big fan of yours, and like you supported Obama in 2008. I reluctantly voted for him in 2012. I have followed your comments on President Obama over the years and am continually amazed at your seeming reluctance to criticize the President on his astounding commitment to the myth of American redemptive violence. In 08 Obama gave the clear impression he was going to move the country off of a war footing. After he was elected he wrestled with the continued use of force in Afghanistan, eventually deciding to double down on violence. Since then he has directed assassinations without due process. I think his record on this most important of issues is deplorable. Where is your voice on this?

Here's the R:
Thanks for your note. I've written about the myth of redemptive violence quite often on this blog, and I've mentioned drones a few times since President Obama came to office

But you're right: I haven't yet made it a primary focus and more needs to be said on the subject. I've been considering what to say first since receiving your email, and this essay from Jennifer Butler of Faith in Public Life came in. Quotable (emphasis mine):

Faith leaders, inspired by the uncompromising commands of the Almighty, will always call for more justice than will political leaders who navigate the cross-currents of special interest pressure, fundraising, compromise, expediency, and the reelection campaign that is always right around the corner. If we’re not asking for more than politicians are offering, we aren’t doing our jobs.

I'll include Jennifer's piece below in its entirety because it says what I was thinking better than I could have said it. This is a great time to link up with groups like FPL, Sojourners, NSP, and others that are mobilizing public opinion to "ask for more than politicians are offering."

Continue reading Q & R: amazed at your reluctance...


A special opportunity in 2013

Some people read the Bible to justify violence - even to present God as violent. Others read it to justify peace - and to present God as the voice calling us to reconciliation.

Some read the Bible as an anti-science tract - rejecting evidence for evolution and climate change, for example, based on Bible quotations. Others read the Bible in ways that enrich rather than undermine their engagement with science, and vice versa. They see deep compatibility rather than conflict.

Some read the Bible to blame the poor for their poverty, to oppose GLBT equality, and to reinforce hostility among "us" toward "them." Others find in the Bible the very opposite guidance.

No wonder that many people have become disillusioned with the Bible and turned their attention elsewhere. Yet it is precisely at this moment that we must rediscover the Bible - in a fresh and liberating way.

In 2013, I will lead four weekend workshops that, taken together, will provide a comprehensive engagement with the Bible. Each Friday-night/Saturday workshop will combine big-picture overviews with close textual readings. With additional guidance from my friend Joe Stabile, participants will gain practice in devotional and contemplative readings and they will gain familiarity with traditional and contemporary biblical scholarship. We hope you'll join us in Dallas, Texas, for these four workshops presented by Life in the Trinity Ministry:

March 22-23: The Hebrew Scriptures
May 10-11: The Four Gospels
July 19-20: The Book of Acts
December 6-7: The Epistles and Revelation

Each workshop will enrich the others, but each is also a stand-alone, so you can attend one, two, three, or all four.

To register: http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/brianmclaren_1/about


In Ohio next week -

I'll be with Broad Street Presbyterian in Columbus Sunday, and then with the Ohio Council of Churches Convocation Monday and Tuesday in Columbus and Toledo. More info here.


A moment of sanity from Southwest Florida ...



Wild Goose 2013: Here's the Latest

I'm a big fan and supporter of the Wild Goose Festival. News was just released about this year's dates and location:
August 8-11, in Hot Springs, NC

While we know that Wild Goose events are fun, moving, and transformative for the individuals who attend, these spaces are aimed at cumulatively building a movement for change, in the U.S. and globally. We are called to renew ourselves in love of God, neighbor, and self; but we are also discerning a call to imagine what we must demand of political, cultural, and church authorities. Not only this, but a movement for change requires its members to ask what we will demand of ourselves.Wild Goose aims to nurture a community of people who are willing to commit to the teachings of Jesus and the way of love, even when it costs us. We are compelled by the idea that it’s the only thing that works. War, poverty, marginalization and exclusion, racism, and other forms of fear and dehumanization dominate our public life and media: Wild Goose is committed to leading an alternative way of joy, hope, courage, and radical inclusion.

There's room for only 2000 people this year, and early-bird tickets will be available tomorrow. So be sure to register here: http://wildgoosefestival.org/tickets


Q & R: best book on homosexuality?

Here's the Q:

It has been several years since your visit with us at xxx Seminary in 2009. You may or may not remember, but at the retreat I was part of a side discussion with you and perhaps 6 or so other students in which you mentioned that you would likely be coming out with an inclusive Christian perspective on homosexuality. Today I read a blogpost on your website entitled "A farewell, Brian McLaren moment or not" in which you lay out your perspective more clearly than even our discussion at the retreat. You allude in that post to the theological journey that was a part of your process of coming to your current understanding of homosexuality and "what the Bible says." What have you read that was the most helpful to you as you thought this through from a theological perspective? Is there anyone who has written a succinct take on Scripture that makes the case for the full acceptance of homosexuality in the church that you would recommend? I find myself in many of the same situations that you mention in your post and share many of the same concerns as I serve the church that I am leading. Any help would be very appreciated.

Here's the R:
Thankfully, there are many excellent books out - now more than ever. I would especially recommend three categories of books.

First, we need books that deal with the Bible and how we interpret it. A new state-of-the-art book from a Reformed Christian perspective (in line with your seminary training) is James V. Brownson's The Bible, Gender, and Sexuality. Another favorite is Stacy Johnson's A Time to Embrace.

Second, we need books that tell people's stories. A wonderful new addition in that category is my friend Justin Lee's Torn.

Third, we need books that help leaders help churches navigate the often-messy process of rethinking, like Alicia Olivetto's Talking About Homosexuality and Beth Anne Gaede's Congregations Talking About Homosexuality.

On a more theoretical level, I found Jennifer Knust's Unprotected Texts and Dale Martin's Sex and the Single Savior very helpful too.


Are you a movie-goer?

I've seen a bunch of great ones lately, including Les Mis. My Aussie friend Jarrod McKenna writes about the film here - highly recommended: http://www.redletterchristians.org/do-you-hear-the-people-sing-m-l-king-les-miserables-case-for-a-socialism-of-grace/


Pastors and Church Attenders: One of the most important things you'll read this month ...

From the good people of Read the Spirit, here:

I only get to say one thing [to pastors]? Well, one thing I would advise is: stability. Stay—stay long enough. We have all sorts of evidence that clergy turnover is detrimental to churches. So, to pastors I would say: “Stay for the long haul. Stay for 10 years.”

Then, if I could say another thing: Pastors should reflect on their own ministry, think about how many parishes they have served. The average is about three to five parishes over a whole lifetime of commitment to ministry. So, the question for the pastor is: What decade of my ministry am I in right now? What parish is this in my lifetime of service? They need to reflect on this because they are not the same person they were in their first decade or their first church. What impresses me most about pastors is their resiliency and their ability to grow throughout their lives. Pastors in their first decade or their first church are struggling with different issues than those in their later decades. For pastors, that’s something very important to know about yourself.

Also worth reading - can religion survive the internet?


Q & R: Turning the ship without capsizing it

Here's the Q:

I cannot even begin to tell you how much your writings have impacted my life. I started, then my parents (who are wounded, pastoral veterans), and now my girlfriend has read through your writings. Thank you. I am [20-something] and I recently quit my job as a worship leader at an evangelical "MEGA-Church." I decided that I want to live my life to fill in the gaps where the Church has failed to fully live the out Gospel and love others. However, I am not giving up on the Church, I just need to find the way to go about it (also, I live in in [the deep south], the heart of conservatism). Thus, my question is, how do we go about church reform and a shift in our thinking/living in our society without causing more division? How do we bring turn a huge ship without causing it to capsize? How do we maintain peace in our relationships?

I don't know if this will reach you, but please know my life is forever changed by your writings and the things God has taught you!

Here's the R:
Thanks for these encouraging words. The work that some people of my generation have been at for a long time now will surely be picked up by people of your generation, and I'm honored to be of help in any way I can.

It's a huge question, but I think you already know the heart of the answer. Your desire to "fill in the gaps" at the margins is the key, I believe. We need people like you to create missional faith communities that experiment and model "a new kind of Christianity." We need to do this in an ecumenical spirit - not "they've got it wrong, we've got it right," but "we're all in this together." When "institutional" people at the center learn from "movement" people at the margins, that's when widespread change can happen.

Of course, doing creative work at the margins guarantees you will be criticized. But that's part of the process. You just keep smiling, pressing on, doing what's in your heart to do, and speaking a blessing on the critics. (It's occasionally wise to respond to their criticism, but usually wiser to think about it, learn from it, pray through it, and avoid defending yourself.) I hope that helps, and I hope we'll get to meet some day. Please keep me informed about what you're up to!


A good day for the USA

The music, the poetry, the wisdom, the humility ... it feels like the soul of our nation that has been unwell for so long may be turning back toward health. That's good for America, and good for the world too. Thanks be to God.


Peter Heltzel gets it right on critical issues for the next four years



Jim Wallis gets it right ...

on guns and violence. Quotable:

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said this as his response to the massacre of children at Sandy Hook elementary in Newtown, Conn.: “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

That statement is at the heart of the problem of gun violence in America today — not just because it is factually flawed, which of course it is, but also because it is morally mistaken, theologically dangerous, and religiously repugnant.

The world is not full of good and bad people; that is not what our scriptures teach us. We are, as human beings, both good and bad. This is not only true of humanity as a whole, but we as individuals have both good and bad in us. When we are bad or isolated or angry or furious or vengeful or politically agitated or confused or lost or deranged or unhinged — and we have the ability to get and use weapons only designed to kill large numbers of people — our society is in great danger.

As the debate about guns intensifies in coming weeks, I keep thinking of these words from Psalm 20: "Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." Horses and chariots represented the drones and nuclear weapons of the ancient world. King David - known for his military prowess - realized the idolatrous seduction of weapons, and expressed in this Psalm his desire not to fall prey to that temptation, not only for spiritual reasons, but for practical ones. In words that anticipated Jesus' words about living and dying by the sword, David continued, "[Those who trust in weapons] will collapse and fall, but we [who trust in a just and reconciling God] shall rise and stand upright.' A stark choice for us to ponder today.

When good people trust violence to stop violence, they simultaneously weaken their identity as good people and reduce their capacity to realize that weakening.


Thoughts on the Obama Presidency

As long-time readers of this blog know, I was actively involved in the 2008 presidential campaign - for the first time in my life. I was less involved in the 2012 campaign, but was still a vocal public supporter for Obama/Biden. Like everyone (including, I'm sure, President Obama himself), I've had my share of disappointments about the last four years. But I remain respectful of President Obama's leadership and cautiously hopeful about the next four years.

Three things, I think, need to be said about the last four years.

First, I don't think many of us - perhaps any of us - realize just how bad and precarious things were at the end of the Bush years. I like President Bush and think he was a good man with a good heart (and a good wife). But I think the Neo-con agenda that presided with him was disastrous. Elective and so-called pre-emptive wars justified on false grounds were bad enough. On top of that there was irresponsible de-regulation nearly across the board, based on the risky assumption that we can trust "big business" more than "big government." (I'd say we should be suspicious of both, and hold both accountable.)

Even though Pres. Obama is frequently criticized for referring back to the previous administration - as if to make excuses, I think the Obama administration has been highly restrained in this regard, by necessity if not by virtue. If they had told us how precarious things actually were, they would have undermined confidence, thus making things worse. (Sadly, this is still the case in many areas - global warming, too-big-to-fail banks, the Israeli occupation, Syria, etc. - where we are arguably worse off than we were four years ago.)

Second, I'm sure many factors that have nothing to do with Pres. Obama have converged to create the ugly polarization that exists in Congress and in society today. 24/7 Cable "news" is surely one factor - spreading fear, misinformation, and ignorance in unprecedented amounts, pandering to the personal and ideological prejudices of large demographic sectors. The role of the 1% in controlling elections is another - aided and abetted by the Citizens United (an ironic name indeed) ruling. The power of mega-corporations and their advocates (especially those representing the fossil fuel and weapons industries) is a third ... having in their pocket, as they do, so much of the media and government. For a president to have accomplished anything in this environment is amazing.

Third, I have a suspicion or hunch about our current political angst. I think that America's "original sin," as Jim Wallis aptly puts it, still has not been adequately dealt with. The racism and White privilege that fueled the colonization/land theft/marginalization of Native Americans and the slavery/segregation/systematic oppression of African Americans still is deeply embedded in many hearts - often unconsciously, even counter-consciously. President Obama's election and re-election have touched that reservoir or racism and its related -isms. As is often the case in individual souls, unresolved issues in the national soul must be expressed before they can be acknowledged and resolved ... and I think that President Obama's steady and non-reactive hand over these four years have allowed that process to run more of its course.

All that's to say that I expect history will look kindly on the first Obama term, and less kindly on its ardent and uncompromising opponents. I hope that the next four years will pleasantly surprise us all with even greater progress on the issues that are most important, even if they are not most publicized: care for the planet rather than its careless pillaging, a turn toward peacemaking and away from the military industrial complex, and a reversal of the growing gap between global and national economic elites and the rest of us. That important work is not simply the job of elected officials, although we elect and pay them to focus on it. We all must participate - advocating, explaining, respectfully differing, and making a case for a better way forward.


As usual ... NPR does a good job

... getting important issues on the table.


Zero Dark Thirty

I received this letter from the good people at NRCAT ... you can join me in speaking up:

Dear Friends:

We are writing to you today, because you have a unique opportunity. You live in a state where one of your senators is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. As his/her constituent, we hope you will write to your senator and ask him/her to support the release of the Committee’s report on CIA interrogation and detention practices.

Many of you have probably seen or heard about the movie Zero Dark Thirty. That fictional movie falsely depicts torture as having provided important intelligence. The facts say otherwise.

Late last year, with the support and encouragement of National Religious Campaign Against Torture supporters, the Senate Intelligence Committee voted to adopt a report on CIA torture. This report was the culmination of a more than three-year investigation. It is over 6,000 pages long, and we are told that it lays out facts showing that torture harmed our national security.

The Intelligence Committee is currently preparing for its work in the new Congress. Very shortly, however, members of the Committee will begin to consider whether or not to release the report to the public. Because the Committee makeup changes at the beginning of each Congress, some of the senators who will be making this decision are only now learning about what is in the report. It is very important that key members of the Committee hear from us right away – so that their opinions can be informed by their constituents.

Please write to your Intelligence Committee Senator now and ask them to support releasing the report on CIA detainee treatment to the public.

Thank you,

Linda Gustitus, President
Rev. Richard Killmer, Executive Director


Miguel De La Torre raises the right questions and ...

The commenters demonstrate how much those questions are needed, here:


Naked Spirituality - a rediscovery?

My book Naked Spirituality (NS) did quite well in the UK, and just OK here in the US. But I've had lots of people writing me lately and telling me they've just discovered it and are finding it extremely helpful in small groups, classes, etc. That's great to hear.

I came across this quote in a recent article about happiness:

There’s a personal cost to callousness.
After people were instructed to restrain feelings of compassion in the face of heart-wrenching images, those people later reported feeling less committed to moral principles.
In March, researchers at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, published a study in Psychological Science that should make anyone think twice before ignoring a homeless person or declining an appeal from a charity.

Daryl Cameron and Keith Payne found that after people were instructed to restrain feelings of compassion in the face of heart-wrenching images, those people later reported feeling less committed to moral principles. It was as if, by regulating compassion, the study participants sensed an inner conflict between valuing morality and living by their moral rules; to resolve that conflict, they seemed to tell themselves that those moral principles must not have been so important. Making that choice, argue Cameron and Payne, may encourage immoral behavior and even undermine our moral identity, inducing personal distress.

“Regulating compassion is often seen as motivated by self-interest, as when people keep money for themselves rather than donate it,” write the researchers. “Yet our research suggests that regulating compassion might actually work against self-interest by forcing trade-offs within the individual’s moral self-concept.”

The quote made me thing of one of the 12 simple words in NS - "Please," which I relate to the practice of compassion. It's encouraging to see some scientific research backing up the claim I made in the book - that to withhold compassion stunts well-being for everyone. The whole article is worth checking out ... as is NS.


Good news for Christian churches ... especially Baptists

Suzii Paynter will (pending official approval) be the next Executive Director for the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. I am a friend and fan of CBF, and of Suzii, and I couldn't be more pleased at this wise and exciting decision. I believe this is an excellent choice for CBF - one that will benefit all churches in the US, not just Cooperative Baptist ones.

I have had the privilege of meeting most of our heads of American communions and I can say that we are blessed with excellent leaders. Yes, our churches are passing through some challenging times on many levels, but with wise, forward-leaning, Spirit-guided leadership - as evidenced both by Suzii and the panel who selected her - we can be hopeful and confident about the future. Congratulations, Suzii, and congratulations, CBF!


My friend David Korten does both -

He writes an important essay, and he tells the story behind it.

“For people, generally, their story of the universe and the human role in the universe is their primary source of intelligibility and value,” Thomas Berry wrote in The Dream of the Earth. “The deepest crises experienced by any society are those moments of change when the story becomes inadequate for meeting the survival demands of a present situation.”

We live at such a moment. Humanity’s current behavior threatens Earth’s capacity to support life and relegates more than a billion people to lives of destitution. This self-destructive behavior and our seeming inability to change have deep roots in the stories by which we understand the nature and meaning of our existence. The challenge before us is to create a new civilization based on a cosmology—a story of the origin, nature, and purpose of creation—that reflects the fullness of our current human knowledge; a story to guide us to mature relationships with one another and a living Earth.

See also his stellar article on a living economy here.


Thoughts on Emergence Christianity (EC13)

Last week I had the opportunity to join 400+ people in Memphis in large part to honor author/thinker/chronicler Phyllis Tickle and also to celebrate the release of her new book, Emergence Christianity. I had to leave early but three things struck me during my time there.

1. A maturing and gracious spirit - this process of emergence has produced a lot of "angst-y-ness" in the past, but there was a positive, warm, and healthy vibe in the group that was encouraging to experience.
2. Amazing creativity - Phyllis gave sparkling hour-long lectures, and then friends of Phyllis responded in panels, and then participants gave Pecha Kucha presentations, which I heard were amazing.
3. Humility - there was a sense that those of us who are considered leaders in emergence are part of something bigger than we understand. We aren't creating it. We aren't even leading it. At best, we are leading within it, contributing to it, participating in it, and collaborating with each other. That struck me as a good - and true - attitude.

In the public gatherings and in lots of smaller and informal venues, a stellar group of people shared in meaningful conversations, which build and strengthen networks of friendship, which, many of us hope, are becoming the seed-bed of a movement with a lot of potential. You can read the twitter feed at #EC13.


Inauguration benediction ...

I was invited to compose a 100-word benediction suitable for the US presidential inauguration, along with 25 others, all of which are available here. Here's mine:

Living God, whose glory surpasses every name and creed by which we seek to honor you, May our leaders become less concerned about the splinters in the eyes of their opponents and more concerned about the planks in their own. May our people reject the allure of dishonest and arrogant voices and be drawn instead to leaders who are humble, kind, and wise. May we stop measuring wealth by money alone and strength by weapons alone. May we return to our deepest American values of honesty, industry, frugality, conviviality, and peace. May we become one nation under you indeed. Amen.


Q & R: What about Unitarians?

Here's the Q:

You proposed in your "Thoughts on the Nones" video (posted November 12, 2012) that the rising number of "Nones" reported in the new Pew Research Centre (released October 9, 2012) may be accounted for by the fact that "they don't want to be part of a religious community that requires them to hold hostility toward the Other" and may be a real result of the Holy Spirit convicting these people as to the transgression of this hostility.

If this is true, then why hasn't the Unitarian Universalist Church or those roughly affiliated seen a sharp rise in either the recent survey or any other performed in the last few years? I don't think I need to remind your readers that the Unitarian denomination has had a long history in the United States (going back to abolitionism) of acceptance of individuals of many lifestyles, as well as a strong identity tied to charitable and political action. If the "nones" have left mainline evangelical churches because of their hostility toward the Other, why have so few of them joined the Unitarian Church? Yet the results of the survey (available on their website http://bit.ly/QPvJii; Appendix 2 Question 71) conducted to poll Americans of all beliefs found that the number of Unitarian members was not a statistically viable number among survey respondents (comparable with those exclusively Buddhist or Hindu in the United States).

And in particular to your thoughts on the data: of the other responses, the one posed to those who specifically said "Religion was Important to Them" but said they did "Not Attend Services" (Question 51 in the same results; Appendix 2 http://bit.ly/QPvJii), 45% said they did not do so for strictly personal reasons (like work or time, none of which having to do with what the Church was like), and of the 40% who did not do so for reasons pertaining to the Church, only 3% chose the response "Religion/churches/leaders too pushy/demanding; too dogmatic; too intolerant."

If nothing else, I find the responses in the survey given to be very unfair to the Unitarians who have been working for a very long time at an almost entirely un-hostile Christianity, while most in the media can do nothing but place blame on the once-mainstream evangelical Churches. Your thoughts?

Here's the R:
Thanks for your excellent question. It's complicated, and I know I can't give a full answer that does justice to the question. I'll offer a few thoughts, though, that are "R's" (responses) without being full "A's" (full and complete answers).

First, Unitarians have played an important role in American history (and beyond), and they have made historical contributions on many levels that go beyond what their numbers would suggest.

Second, (and this is related to something I posted about yesterday), the degree to which a religious community deconstructs without reconstructing will put it at a disadvantage. It not only must remove negatives that other communities have: it must have positives that other communities lack. My friend Tony Jones wrote about this recently, here, summarizing some thoughts from Christian Smith's 1998 book on Evangelicals:

Mainline and liberal Christians (Protestant and Catholic alike) are accomodationist, and there is simply not enough difference between them and culture to make a difference to much of anyone. In other words, why join something that looks exactly like what you’re already a part of? All three — fundamentalists, liberals, and mainliners — scored significantly lower that evangelicals in all six characteristics of strength.

Third, Unitarians have distanced themselves from several common characteristics of traditional Christianity that were indeed problematic. One of those - the way many Christians used Jesus as a threat ("you'd better believe what we say about him or God will send you to hell!") - caused many Unitarians to feel a bit embarrassed about Jesus. Believing, as I do, that Jesus is the best thing about being a person of faith (albeit for different reasons than many), I think Unitarians would gain a great deal by rediscovering Jesus - if not in traditional terms, in terms that would be highly accessible to them and meaningful to others. (I addressed many of these - including the doctrine of the Trinity - in my most recent book.)

Finally, I think you're right. People are unfair! Many of the best, most humane churches have the fewest members, and many of the worst and most hostile are full and overflowing. Unitarians have set an admirable example in promoting an un-hostile faith. I notice that I have increasing numbers of Unitarians introducing themselves to me at my speaking events. Perhaps, as John Cobb says in his recent (excellent) book, Religions in the Making, the best contributions of Unitarians are in their future, and what they can be has not yet been fully manifested.

Also, you might be interested in something peripherally about me written by a Unitarian. A few details of the post are a little off (I wasn't raised on the West Coast, my upbringing was not extreme but rather typical for American Evangelical/Fundamentalists, etc.) But it shows that there can be a healthy and needed (by both sides) rapprochement among people who have walked separate paths. As my friend Phyllis Tickle might say, a Great Emergence can catch up unlikely people into something unexpected, unprecedented, and hopeful.


Do you enjoy audio books?

"Cross the Road" is available here...


Q & R: Reactionary?

Here's the Q:

I heard you speak recently on your UK tour and I greatly enjoyed it. However, the question I came away with was: if the whole church embraced McLarenism (for want of a better phrase) what would it look like in 100 years time, ie once it has passed through 3 or 4 generations? My concern is that a lot of post-modernist thinking has no internal structure. As such, it is great for those of us who are rebelling against modernism or conservatism. We have a traditional Christian structure, which, for good or ill, forms part of our fundamental core. Our post-modernism is inevitably built upon that. But what does your theology offer once the rebellion is over? Put another way, what happens once you have deconstructed Christianity? You cannot continue to deconstruct it. At some point, you have to build something again. These thoughts were provoked because you shared the stage with a Mohammed Ansar and it was clear what his vision was for the next 100 (or indeed 1000) years. He had no desire to deconstruct Islam, because he was happy with the way it was constructed. Indeed, his challenge was that Christians needed to be "more Christian". Your response was that our identity was to bless others and to seek the common good. This is all great, but I simply could not envisage how your interpretation of Christianity would look once it had lost its initial impetus as a reaction against what was there before. What is your vision of a reconstructed Christianity? Perhaps I should buy and read your book!

Here's the R:

Thanks for your question. First, let's put aside a ridiculous term like "mclarenism." I have no interest in that, and my original contributions to Christian emergence are quite few and minuscule, other than listening to many other voices and trying to synergize, integrate, synthesize, etc. Many, many voices are working together - some consciously and intentionally, some not - to deconstruct and reconstruct.

Second, I don't want to speak for my new friend Mohammed Ansar, but when you say that "he had no desire to deconstruct Islam," I imagine he might say, "It depends on what you mean by Islam." I'm quite certain Mohammed would agree that all religions are "in the making," in the sense that at every moment, they grow more or less faithful to God's will. On the simplest and most obvious level, Shiites wouldn't be completely happy with how Sunni or Sufi versions are constructed, and vice versa. I'm sure some Muslims are highly critical of Mohammed (Ansar, that is) since he is a leader, and leaders always attract criticism because they dare to point a way forward. I think you're right that Mohammed is "happy" with the true essence of Islam ... just as I am with the true essence of the Gospel. The problem comes when we naively think that one humanly-constructed version or embodiment of a religion perfectly and eternally captures that true essence. Deconstruction isn't an attempt to destroy, but rather to disassemble that human construction so the true essence can reveal itself.

Jacques Derrida, the 20th century French philosopher, said it this way: sometimes we must deconstruct (unjust) laws so that justice may appear. You don't deconstruct laws because you want injustice, but because you want a justice even more essential than this or that law promotes. (I think this is what Jesus meant when he said, "Do not think I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill.")

Third, I'm a little disappointed that you perceived the evening as nothing more than deconstruction. In the US tour, I varied my presentations from night to night, one night focusing on "the historical challenge," another on "the doctrinal challenge," another on "the missional challenge," and another on "the liturgical challenge." The only one that could be seen as primarily deconstructive is the historical challenge. But in the UK, I hardly talked about the historical challenge at all ... so I'm a little surprised that you would have experienced the night as deconstructive.

Like you, I think that deconstruction is not enough. I do think it is necessary, just not sufficient: we can't make way for the new until we've cleared some space ... but I would much rather be known primarily as a constructive rather than deconstructive theologian, and anyone who has read my books would, I think, agree that's the case.

When you summarize my whole presentation in contrast to Mohammed's, saying that I want nothing more in Christian identity than to bless others and seek the common good (which wouldn't be a bad start, but is hardly the sum total of my presentation!) ... it's clear to me that, yes, I do hope you read my book! In the doctrinal, liturgical, and missional sections of the book, deconstruction prepares the way for constructive work of thoughtfully re-examining Scripture, tradition, and experience to articulate a meaningful, faithful, and generative Christian identity that could help us moving into the future.

Finally, I should add that your question warms my heart because my next writing project - in which I am deeply engaged at the moment - is all about that constructive articulation. I hope you'll read it in July 2014. But for now, how about reading Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed? And I hope you'll notice the subtitle too ... and see how it is a book about constructive Christian identity. The project of articulating and embodying a more faithful and authentic Christian identity is huge. No one person can do it alone. That's why your participation and help is needed. Again, thanks for the question.


Idle No More

Why should North American Christians care - and support - Native Americans/First Nations/Indigenous Peoples' efforts for justice? Learn more here:

Clearly the problems faced by First Peoples in Canada are not unique. Indigenous peoples in the Philippines, North East India, New Zealand, and Australia, to name a few, face the same social consequences of colonization—high suicide rates, addiction problems, violence, community implosion, poverty, and more. This should alert any thinking person to the fact that equivalent problems across such wide geographic and ethnic diversity are rooted in and result from similar circumstances.... When the dignity of a people is subjected to relentless pressure to conform to foreign values; when agreements are pushed aside time and again with contempt; when division among First Nations is introduced to ensure economic prosperity for others, it is like the abusive spouse who, having apologized, repeats the abuse yet again.


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Happy Birthday, Dr. King!

Inspiring words for us all.


If you're interested in Christian-Muslim relations ... or the issue of violence in the Bible ...

You really should read Aaron Taylor's perceptive article on how Christians "cheat" when they compare Jesus and the Quran, here: http://www.middleeastexperience.com/jesus-loves-his-enemies-then-kills-them-all/#.UPVVKKXmsXd

As I've written a lot about Jesus, the Bible, and nonviolence - especially in A New Kind of Christianity and Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha (etc) - I'm interested in how Aaron gets the issue on the table, especially in relation to the way Christians use a violent interpretation of Jesus' "second coming" to nullify the nonviolent message and example of his actual coming. That's why I am an advocate for alternate understandings of eschatology, as I've discussed in the two books I just mentioned, along with Secret Message of Jesus and Everything Must Change.

Expect more on this important subject in the coming days ...


Strong and benevolent religious identity in Egypt ...

This is an image of what I was writing about in Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?


Courageous words from Steve Chalke

The same day Kentucky sage Wendell Berry went public with a strongly worded statement about gay people and the Christian faith, my friend Steve Chalke went public with a similar statement in the UK. It was carried in Christianity Magazine (like Christianity Today in the US, an Evangelical publication). You can read the abridged ver